Discussion Power Jiraiya is a fraud

[soheilhazrat]

He didnt defeat no hand orochimaru and never 1 v 6 pain as people make it seem like he had toads + summonings helping him and then only got feats against WEAKEST pains as son as the strong ones showed up he got his ass beaten

Kakashi fought better vs two strongest pain with less help.
And for some reason, Kishi didnt alow him to use kamui at actual fight
Pain arc Kakashi > Jiraiya

 

[Roo]

Jiraiya was poisoned and Kakashi had intel vs Pain

really weak reason to call Jiraiya a fraud

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

If Jiraiya is a fraud then that makes Itachi and Kisame worse than frauds since they ran from him.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Itachi made Kakashi his bitch when he came to Konoha.
Meanwhile both Itachi & Kisame ran away as soon as Jiraya intervened.

 

[NikaInParis]

Jiraiya was poisoned and Kakashi had intel vs Pain

really weak reason to call Jiraiya a fraud

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Without Jiraiya's fight vs Pain, Kakashi and co get folded even quicker than they did

 

[MonsterKaido]

If Jiraiya is a fraud then that makes Itachi and Kisame worse than frauds since they ran from him.

Itachi with base sharingan negged Jiraiya's peer in orochimaru. Don't see how jiraiya beats itachi going by feats also.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Itachi with base MS negged Jiraiya's peer in orochimaru. Don't see how jiraiya beats itachi going by feats also.

That was young Orochimaru though?

 

[MonsterKaido]

That was young Orochimaru though?

He was not. He was in his 40s at least.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

He was not. He was in his 40s at least.

Orochimaru got more experience as time goes on.

He only got off-guard.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Orochimaru got more experience as time goes on.

He only got off-guard.

Its not like jiraiya has any genjutsu experience. Tsukiyomi GG for jiraiya. It takes one second for its effects so the 2 frogs in sage mode can't help him either.

 

[soheilhazrat]

Orochimaru got more experience as time goes on.

He only got off-guard.

So kakashi wasnt caught off guard by itachi's MS? Lol

 

[IsaziSempi]

Bring begging back

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Itachi made Kakashi his bitch when he came to Konoha.
Meanwhile both Itachi & Kisame ran away as soon as Jiraya intervened.

They only ran away cuz Itachi is a double agent lol. Itachi when he was a child negged Jiraiya's superior. Itachi manhandles Jiraiya. It's not even close.

 

[soheilhazrat]

They only ran away cuz Itachi is a double agent lol. Itachi when he was a child negged Jiraiya's superior. Itachi manhandles Jiraiya. It's not even close.

Thats really easy to understand lol

 

[RayanOO]

Jiraya was one of the best character
And he had the best fight of the manga against Pain
Best death too

Not his fault Kishimoto went full power inflation after that

 

[soheilhazrat]

Jiraya was one of the best character
And he had the best fight of the manga against Pain
Best death too

Not his fault Kishimoto went full power inflation after that

100% true but he is fraud in terms of power levels

 

[MonsterKaido]

100% true but he is fraud in terms of power levels

He wasn't a fraud. He is decently strong. Only MS users , pain , and kage like A and onoki are more powerful.

Some akatsuki members are debatable but he is stronger than half of them.

 

[NAMELESS]

He didnt defeat no hand orochimaru and never 1 v 6 pain as people make it seem like he had toads + summonings helping him and then only got feats against WEAKEST pains as son as the strong ones showed up he got his ass beaten

Kakashi fought better vs two strongest pain with less help.
And for some reason, Kishi didnt alow him to use kamui at actual fight
Pain arc Kakashi > Jiraiya

True,but he only fought the best:Orochimaru,Hanzo,Itachi,Kisame and Pain.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Thats really easy to understand lol

Yeah idk what Conqui was tryna cook here but it didn't work lol.

 

[RayanOO]

100% true but he is fraud in terms of power levels

And who is stronger than him really ?

The man was totally Kage level, which was really good for 80% of the story, before Naruto went batshit crazy with feats