Character Discussion Eustass 'Captain' Kid - Keep on rollin'

[MonsterKaido]

you are just looking at his ls and not what happened in between like a true hater would. Did you know that luffy has more l's against yonkos than kid? Yet I would bet that you wouldnt say that its a problem because there are things hapenning in between.
Also each time kid loses he gets stronger or gets a win later, after losing to the rhp he wounded a sweet commander and stole a poneglyph, after losing to kaido he defeated big mom 2v1, now he lost to shanks which heavily parallels act 1 luffy's defeat the only difference is that shanks did not underestimate his opponent and fought seriously from the very beginning. Kid is still young, he is not the mc and heavily suffer the consequences of his actions but just like luffy he does not give up no matter what happens to him. We ssaw that through wano

Loosing isn't the issue but at which point he lose that is the issue. Sure in battle Luffy can lose to BB but will eventually overcome him.

Kidd already established himself after "beating" BM. Then getting destroyed by an yonko feels like a huge L. Its not like it's in an arc where shanks is kidd's opponent. If kidd has a hand in beating shanks in Future I will concede but its extremely unlikely imo

Skip to 10.11. That is my point.

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Loosing isn't the issue but at which point he lose that is the issue. Sure in battle Luffy can lose to BB but will eventually overcome him.

Kidd already established himself after "beating" BM. Then getting destroyed by an yonko feels like a huge L. Its not like it's in an arc where shanks is kidd's opponent. If kidd has a hand in beating shanks in Future I will concede but its extremely unlikely imo

Skip to 10.11. That is my point.

once again this l parallel luffys in act 1. idk why i always gotta repeat it. luffy established himself as tthe 5th yonko after defeating katakkuri and went on to get humbled by kaido who was not trying.
Kid established himself as one of the strongest upcoming young pirates by defeating a YONKO and then went on to get HUMBLED by Shanks who acknoledged him and went serious from the beginning. Kid will grow from this defeat
The only difference is that he will not defeat Shanks. That is something reserved for blackbeard

 

[MonsterKaido]

once again this l parallel luffys in act 1. idk why i always gotta repeat it. luffy established himself as tthe 5th yonko after defeating katakkuri and went on to get humbled by kaido who was not trying.
Kid established himself as one of the strongest upcoming young pirates by defeating a YONKO and then went on to get HUMBLED by Shanks who acknoledged him and went serious from the beginning. Kid will grow from this defeat
The only difference is that he will not defeat Shanks. That is something reserved for blackbeard

Luffy was yonko in name only where kidd literally defeated BM with law. Big big difference.

Luffy was a non threat to yonko at the start of wano unlike current kidd. Also have you watched the vid? What do you think?

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Luffy was yonko in name only where kidd literally defeated BM with law. Big big difference.

Luffy was a non threat to yonko at the start of wano unlike current kidd. Also have you watched the vid? What do you think?

Yes hence why Shanks acknowledged him and did not hold back. I watched the video and your point is that it would be redundant just like what morj said? I heavily disagree. the kaido and shanks defeat are similar but has many subtle difference. Kid formed an alliance to defeat SHANKS. His alliance got crushed midways because of Apoo making kaido pull up. that is mainly APOO's fault that his crew got completely crushed and during wano kid ended up defeating big mom which probably boosted his confidence (which is why he didnt learn his lesson) then the shanks vs kid fight happened. j
This time in the rhp vs Kid pirates it was entirely Kid's fault no one set a trap for him, he realized he was in shanks territory and decided to fight and his crew got destroyed. It was HIS decision it was HIS fault and this time he lost everything because of his decisions. He is likely to grow from this defeat since it was entirely his fault. I cant stress this enough this looks exactly like luffy getting humbled by kaido in act 1. You should be patient

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Didn't Oda admit to coming up with basically the entire worst gen on the fly while drawing Sabaody?
None of them were meant to become any big players and Law only did because he kept performing extremely well at the popularity polls (also confirmed by Oda).
So while I like Kidd's design and his character, I wouldn't get my hopes up for him playing a major role.

No

Oda said that out of the ones he created, Kid was the only one he originally planned to play a big role.

 

[Monkey D Al]

Man, even if you don't like Kidd, what happened to him was some bullshit. Especially how Law and his crew got a bit to shine.

Don’t compare law to useless captain midd

 

[matt245]

If he's coming back, you better prepare yourselves for another L lmao

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Don’t compare law to useless captain midd

Why?

dude got the same treatment. He just looked better because he fought the weaker yonko, a guy with man boobs and zero advanced haki.

 

[JoNdule]

Don’t compare law to useless captain midd

This thread isn't for you

Let Kid fans discuss about kid

 

[Monkey D Al]

Why?

dude got the same treatment. He just looked better because he fought the weaker yonko, a guy with man boobs and zero advanced haki.

He put up a fight at least and didn’t get one shot. Against someone who has 2 of the strongest DF powers. And also performed way better against Big mom than Mid

 

[MonsterKaido]

Yes hence why Shanks acknowledged him and did not hold back. I watched the video and your point is that it would be redundant just like what morj said? I heavily disagree. the kaido and shanks defeat are similar but has many subtle difference. Kid formed an alliance to defeat SHANKS. His alliance got crushed midways because of Apoo making kaido pull up. that is mainly APOO's fault that his crew got completely crushed and during wano kid ended up defeating big mom which probably boosted his confidence (which is why he didnt learn his lesson) then the shanks vs kid fight happened. j
This time in the rhp vs Kid pirates it was entirely Kid's fault no one set a trap for him, he realized he was in shanks territory and decided to fight and his crew got destroyed. It was HIS decision it was HIS fault and this time he lost everything because of his decisions. He is likely to grow from this defeat since it was entirely his fault. I cant stress this enough this looks exactly like luffy getting humbled by kaido in act 1. You should be patient

Lets hope he comes back and low diffs an admiral

 

[Monkey D Theories]

He put up a fight at least and didn’t get one shot. Against someone who has 2 of the strongest DF powers. And also performed way better against Big mom than Mid

He didn’t get one shot because Teach is incompetent.

Shanks used FS to foresee Kid’s attack, blitz z him before he could use it, then used ACoC to one shot him.

Teach has no FS or ACoC.

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Also Law’s DF being stronger doesn’t translate to him doing better. Narratively speaking, Kid was the driving force of the fight.

> fight started when Kid made BM leave the rooftop
> they only started to make progress after Kid was un-nerfed via Killer v Hawkins
> fight ended with Kid knocking BM off onigashima via Damned Punk

 

[Ssg super suit coby]

It is not identical to what happened to the straw hats in sabeody at all.

1. The straw hats had help from a veteran
2. It was pretimeskip with an injured first mate (zoro)
3. Lastly they got teleported not wrecked lol

Kid and crew were fresh
We're in the post timeskip
Got wrecked because they had no assistance
All were defeated (entire crew) by one man
Then got their ship wrecked
And all sank to the bottom of the ocean

 

[Monkey D Al]

He didn’t get one shot because Teach is incompetent.

Shanks used FS to foresee Kid’s attack, blitz z him before he could use it, then used ACoC to one shot him.

Teach has no FS or ACoC.

Thank for stating the obvious. I know how to read.
still kid got one shot. That wouldn’t happen to Law against Shanks either. Because Law does not underestimate his opponents and stays cautious. Kid is just a brainless gorilla.
As for the fight with Big mom, kid only landed hits after law incapacitated her before hand. He did the ground work and left everything ready for Mid. And even used r-room do render her soul pocus mute. Other wise she would have wiped the floor with mid.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Thank for stating the obvious. I know how to read.
still kid got one shot. That wouldn’t happen to Law against Shanks either. Because Law does not underestimate his opponents and stays cautious. Kid is just a brainless gorilla.

What’s Law going to do against Shanks? You need advanced haki to deal with top level ACoC.

It’s why Luffy got negged by kaido before he got ACoA and ACoC.

All Law has is his DF negation haki, which is useless against Shanks.

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As for the fight with Big mom, kid only landed hits after law incapacitated her before hand. He did the ground work and left everything ready for Mid. And even used r-room do render her soul pocus mute. Other wise she would have wiped the floor with mid.

The fight was a tag team. Kid created an opening for Law, who then created an opening for Kid.

Doesn’t change the fact Kid was the driving force of the fight. Like I said, it started, picked up steam, and ended with him.

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And all sank to the bottom of the ocean

This bit is headcanon.

We don’t know what happened to them after the giants sunk the Victoria Punk. We didn’t even see Kid and Killer fall into the ocean.

 

[Monkey D Al]

The fight was a tag team. Kid created an opening for Law, who then created an opening for Kid.

Doesn’t change the fact Kid was the driving force of the fight. Like I said, it started, picked up steam, and ended with him.

You said it yourself it was a tag team effort. if Law would have been incapacitated in the beginning by Hawkins the same would have happened or even worse. Once he would have returned the fight would have picked up steam. And only kid fans think he was the driving force. Everyone else thinks law did more than kid.

What’s Law going to do against Shanks? You need advanced haki to deal with top level ACoC.

It’s why Luffy got negged by kaido before he got ACoA and ACoC.

All Law has is his DF negation haki, which is useless against Shanks.

I’m not saying Law would win. Law and Kid are not Yonkou level. But he would not get one shot for sure. His kroom and puncture Wille are effective also against ACoC users. As big mom is an ACoC user and still got damaged by it and also feared the attack. The only attack she actually feared and none of Kids attacks. She only saw Law as a threat.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

You said it yourself it was a tag team effort. if Law would have been incapacitated in the beginning by Hawkins the same would have happened or even worse. Once he would have returned the fight would have picked up steam. And only kid fans think he was the driving force. Everyone else thinks law did more than kid.

Law did more damage, sure.

Law wasn’t more important tho. Kid, not Law brought BM from the rooftop. Kid created major openings for Law to land his first KRoom and PW. Lastly it was Kid, not Law, who knocked BM off onigashima.

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I’m not saying Law would win. Law and Kid are not Yonkou level. But he would not get one shot for sure. His kroom and puncture Wille are effective also against ACoC users. As big mom is an ACoC user and still got damaged by it and also feared the attack. The only attack she actually feared and none of Kids attacks. She only saw Law as a threat.

KRoom would never work against Shanks. It requires a set up, Shanks would foresee it with FS. He’s not as bad in combat as BM.

Also BM only seeing Law as a threat is a flat out lie. She acknowledged both of them multiple times.

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. And only kid fans think he was the driving force. Everyone else thinks law did more than kid.

And I just have to say

“Kid fans” are the only people who don’t incessantly slander him week after week after week.

Of course everyone else thinks law was the MVP or some shit. Everyone else literally hates the character.

 

[Monkey D Al]

Law did more damage, sure.

Law wasn’t more important tho. Kid, not Law brought BM from the rooftop. Kid created major openings for Law to land his first KRoom and PW. Lastly it was Kid, not Law, who knocked BM off onigashima.

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KRoom would never work against Shanks. It requires a set up, Shanks would foresee it with FS. He’s not as bad in combat as BM.

Also BM only seeing Law as a threat is a flat out lie. She acknowledged both of them multiple times.

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And I just have to say

“Kid fans” are the only people who don’t incessantly slander him week after week after week.

Of course everyone else thinks law was the MVP or some shit. Everyone else literally hates the character.

Kid is just such a good character to troll. He makes it to easy. Come on "Useless captain mid" is peak trolling. Don’t take it to seriously. It’s the same with Carrot fans and BB fans. It’s just fun and not real hatred.

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

He didn’t get one shot because Teach is incompetent.

Shanks used FS to foresee Kid’s attack, blitz z him before he could use it, then used ACoC to one shot him.

Teach has no FS or ACoC.

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Also Law’s DF being stronger doesn’t translate to him doing better. Narratively speaking, Kid was the driving force of the fight.

> fight started when Kid made BM leave the rooftop
> they only started to make progress after Kid was un-nerfed via Killer v Hawkins
> fight ended with Kid knocking BM off onigashima via Damned Punk

law would not have gotten one shotted. i doubt he would have attacked the rhp on sight in the first place so shanks would have gone easier on him. law is smart he tried to avoid the fight with bb and decided to fight onnly when his submarine got damaged

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Kid is just such a good character to troll. He makes it to easy. Come on "Useless captain mid" is peak trolling. Don’t take it to seriously. It’s the same with Carrot fans and BB fans. It’s just fun and not real hatred.

this is peak npc behavior too

 

[Monkey D Theories]

law would not have gotten one shotted. i doubt he would have attacked the rhp on sight in the first place so shanks would have gone easier on him. law is smart he tried to avoid the fight with bb and decided to fight onnly when his submarine got damaged

Yeah, he wouldn’t have gotten one shotted because he’d run from Shanks.

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But you literally can’t compete with competent ACoC users without ACoC. Luffy got one shot when he had FS and ACoA, yet somehow people think Law wouldn’t?

BM is the exception because she’s a dumb fatass. But Kaido ranked Shanks amongst the legends.