General & Others The Face Value Thread..

[Herrera95]

- Sanji destroyed his Raid Suit because he didn't want to become Heartless machines like his Brothers
This one is wrong, the real reason is Oda wanted to have Sanji remain his own unique powers and would have
looked too much like his brothers with the Raid Suit

"This one is wrong because of reasons that are exatly what "face value" says it is..."

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- Kuina has killed herself falling down Stairs
This one may be true, but it's plain dumb and doesn't make sense.. Kuina had a body Stronger than all Adults in the Dojo..
It's like saying Zoro or whomever who is exceptionally powerful can die falling down stairs.. However at this point Kuina
is most likely dead..

No one says she killed herself by falling down stairs. People says that she killed herself and others says she fallen down stairs to minimize what really happened.

And although she is "stronger" than adults her body is still fragile. Actually she is more skilled.

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The last one is pretty based though.

Her bounty alone proved to be exactly like that.

So far 2nd strongest only behind Mihawk.

 

[RYNO]

Sanji destroyed his Raid Suit because he didn't want to become Heartless machines like his Brothers
This one is wrong, the real reason is Oda wanted to have Sanji remain his own unique powers and would have
looked too much like his brothers with the Raid Suit

You just gave two right answer, you gave the reason why as a character sanji destroyed the rs and then gave reasons why oda wrote sanji to destroy the rs, both are correct.

 

[Herrera95]

- Marines + Shichibukai = 4 Yonkos - Disagree

Face Value? No one ever believed that. It was always Marines + Shichibukai >= 1 Yonko. Otherwise they wouldn't be pissing their pants if only 2 of them made an alliance.

- Garp was on par with Roger - Disagree

I also disagree but that is speculation only. Manga is clear about Roger and Garp both beating each other close to death. So pretty much it was extreme diff fights going either way or ending up in draw.

- Old Age affect Overall level - Agree

Specifically around 70's and for humans only. Never was stated by other races.

- CoC users are Born with it - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Zoro has Advanced CoC - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Samurai are Swordsmen, so all Wano Swordsmen are Samurai - Disagree

No one ever said that.

- Luffy won his fight against Katakuri - Disagree

Can't even believe you got this right. LOL!

- Urouge is the weakest Supernova cause he has the lowest Bounty - Disagree

Yes... That was very tricky. Bounties are heavily implies about someone strength but is not 100% accurate. And we already had Robin 8 years old 78 mi bounty to explain that. But not gonna deny I thought that even after seeing him alone handling a Pacifista.

- Mihawk is Yonko level, his Bounty say so - Disagree

No one said Mihawk was Yonko level because of his bounty. But because of his title. And based on this title it is an obvious thing to believe. His bounty just proved even more. Specially when you have swordsman like Shanks and Big Mom as Yonkos.

- Crocodile's Bounty is accurate - Disagree

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- Galaxy Impact is the Strongest new Haki Technique attack in the verse - Disagree

Only trolls said that. LOL

- Kaido doesn't have Awakening - Disagree

If he had he would have used and Oda would have explicit said when he was using it. Kaido may comeback with Awakening but he was defeated without having it.

- Zoro Blocked Hakai - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing... You can say he didn't blocked fully since Law saved him at the end. But he did blocked.

- Aokiji is really a member of Blackbeard's crew - Disagree

No one believed that at first. Oda is heavily impying that he is for real but no one actually believe on it. Literally everyone thinks Aokiji will betray Teach since his dialogue with Smoker made clear that he is still on side with justice.

- Sengoku's Buddha powers create Shockwaves - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Devil Fruit ability projectiles can be launched without Awakening and Haki - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Kidd and Law are worth their Bounty and Yonko title - Disagree

Only Kidtards and Lawtards believes on that. No one else does.

- Big Mom and Kaido are dead - Disagree

That is like 50%/50% I believe. I'm on the side that disagrees.

- Sanji legitimately Defeated Queen - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Zoro can not cut a Lunarian when their Flames are on - Disagree

Recently I saw some arguments that may sustain that but so far we can't say otherwise based on Seraphim fight and Zoro own statement. Oda inconsistency is heavy prejudicing to understand Lunarians.

- King's Zoan Pteranodon wings are tougher than Kaido's scales - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Wings of the Pirate King are Equal - Disagree

Only Sanjitards thinks like that. And also we are not even sure if wings means Zoro and Sanji or just Sanji.

- Marco 2v1 King and Queen - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Douriki only measure physical strenght - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Imbuing Haki and Internal Destruction are 2 different concept - Disagree

If Imbuing Haki you mean Ryou as using haki on weapons then... Disagree based on nothing...

- Sanji can not use Ifrit Jambe without Exoskeleton - Disagree

That is just speculation. Yes the only true is that he can't handle Ifrit Jambe without exoskeleton but there is a possibility of him using it while damaging her leg like he used to do with Diable Jambe pre-timeskip.

- Jack fought against 2 Admirals - Disagree

Who ever said that? Unless you are considering Sengoku still an Admiral.

- Sabo, Morley, Karasu, Bety and Lindberg stood toe to toe with 2 Admirals in Marijoa - Disagree

Yeah Sabo wasn't even there and Fujitora helped revos.

- Sabo is on par with Fujitora because their clash ended in a draw - Disagree

On first read I believe everybody belives that. But once you pay attention that Fujitora was just looking for an excuse to not stop Doffy himself it makes clear he was holding back although he could have went all out against Sabo anyway.

- Mother Carmel gave her Soul Fruit to Big Mom and left her with all the kids - Disagree

No one ever said that. Everybody straigth believed in cannibalism. Both Big Mom and Teach.

- Brook called Zoro's CoC because the ground trembled - Disagree

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- Kaido said Zoro has CoC - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Ashura coming from 3rd Generation '' Demon '' Piercer is CoC - Disagree

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- Sanji's powers come from his passion - Disagree

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- Aokiji lost the Fleet Admiral Title Match to Akainu - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Garp is not the leader of Sword - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Sanji destroyed his Raid Suit because he didn't want to become Heartless machines like his Brothers - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Onimaru made Zoro faint - Disagree

No one ever said that.

- Smoothie is YC2 level - Disagree

After WCI and Wano no one says that. People speculated first because of her bounty but she almost immediately became a gag because of the door.

- Snack is not YC4 because he got demoted and beaten by Urouge - Disagree

He is YC4 level but not YC4 because he is not a commander anymore.

- Luffy jumped out of Gear 4 on his own after 1 Kong Gun attack against Big Mom - Disagree

Not sure about who are saying that. But a minority of people.

- Sanji Raid Suit defeated Page One in act 2 - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Admirals do not have Conqueror Haki even if Garp has it - Disagree

This is just speculation. But so far none has proved to have. Specially Greenbull.

- Roger and Garp defeated Xebec - Disagree

Yes. Few people pay attention to all other players at God Valley and specially the betrayal plot Kaido talked so much.

- Enma is a Power up - Agree

Agree based on nothing...

- Only some Meitos have special powers - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Mihawk the World Strongest Swordsman has Greater Sword Skills thank Shanks - Agree

And is also stronger than Shanks.

- Sanji doesn't have CoA level 2 flowing in Poele a Frire Sparky Flames - Disagree

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- Vergo has Iron Abilties from his Grey color Body when Hardened - Agree

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- Haki Categories can not be merged to create new Haki techniques - Disagree

So far only G5 Luffy was stated to combine CoA with CoC.

- Galaxy Impact is not a Combination Technique of CoA level 3 + CoC Coating

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- Aramaki has a Black Blade - Agree
- Kujaku has a Black Blade - Agree

I will be looking forward if any of those or both ever becomes false.

- Kuja Arrows are Common - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Black Blades are very Uncommon - Agree

So far only 2 confirmed black blades out of 1000s swords

- Kuja Arrow are not '' Permanently '' Hakified - Disagree

Only you are talking about this hahaha.

- Big Mom's Screech is not CoA lightning + CoC waves - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Kuina has killed herself falling down Stairs - Disagree

No one ever said that.

- Sulong and Zoan Awakening have nothing in common - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Zoro is so good that he unlocked CoC and right after Advanced CoC, that Luffy took 1000 chapters to do - Disagree

Disagree based on nothing...

- Advanced CoC is related to Swordsmanship just because - Disagree

No one ever said that.

- Haki Swordsmanship doesn't have its own Path - Disagree

Another headcannon that only you talks about it.

- Yamato is not joining the Strawhats because Oden, Ace and Kaido/Xebec Parallels are irrelevant - Disagree

She is joining but parallels are irrelevants.

- Boa is one of the Strongest ex Shichibukai because she has CoC like Doflamingo and she's hot - Disagree

She may be one with the strongest potential because of her CoC just like Doflamingo. No one ever brought her beauty to power scale her. But in fact her beauty is part because without it her DF doesn't work. And so far she proved to be the second strongest Shichibukai. Only Weevil can be proved to be stronger than her now.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Just to be clear if this wasn't obvious from my list, here is where i stand on every of those subjects..


- Marines + Shichibukai = 4 Yonkos - Disagree
- Old Age affect Overall level - Agree
- Urouge is the weakest Supernova cause he has the lowest Bounty - Disagree
- Kaido doesn't have Awakening - Disagree
- Aokiji is really a member of Blackbeard's crew - Disagree
- Kidd and Law are worth their Bounty and Yonko title - Disagree
- Big Mom and Kaido are dead - Disagree
- Zoro can not cut a Lunarian when their Flames are on - Disagree
- Wings of the Pirate King are Equal - Disagree
- Douriki only measure physical strenght - Disagree
- Mother Carmel gave her Soul Fruit to Big Mom and left her with all the kids - Disagree
- Sanji's powers come from his passion - Disagree
- Garp is not the leader of Sword - Disagree
- Onimaru made Zoro faint - Disagree
- Snack is not YC4 because he got demoted and beaten by Urouge - Disagree
- Mihawk the World Strongest Swordsman has Greater Sword Skills thank Shanks - Agree
- Galaxy Impact is not a Combination Technique of CoA level 3 + CoC Coating - Disagree
- Kuina has killed herself falling down Stairs - Disagree
- Sulong and Zoan Awakening have nothing in common - Disagree
- Yamato is not joining the Strawhats because Oden, Ace and Kaido/Xebec Parallels are irrelevant - Disagree

Only things you might have gotten right.

 

[Goodman Grey]

@Rootbeer were you a believer of the raid failing? That theory hinged on a lot of things in act 3 not being taken at face value.
I learned a hard lesson when Wano ended.

 

[Rootbeer]

You just gave two right answer, you gave the reason why as a character sanji destroyed the rs and then gave reasons why oda wrote sanji to destroy the rs, both are correct.

But the latter is more important because Sanji wouldn't have become like his brothers and Oda knows it.. So it's a plot hole..

No one ever said that. Everybody straigth believed in cannibalism. Both Big Mom and Teach.

What's the evidence?.. Based on nothing..

What about Blackbeard?..

I will be looking forward if any of those or both ever becomes false.

You're basicly saying you're look forward to deny.. Which is what i've been saying the whole time, you goal is only to be contrarian.. lol

Only things you might have gotten right.

Wow that's a fair share.. There's hope with you..

@Rootbeer were you a believer of the raid failing? That theory hinged on a lot of things in act 3 not being taken at face value.
I learned a hard lesson when Wano ended.

Yes but it was getting more and more obvious it wouldn't fail.. It's just as a fan you hope for the best, that Oda would ride or die with the manga he's spent decades dedicating his life to and moved countless people.. He decided to make a shift and prioritize his life over One Piece.. It's not so much that things hinged on not taking a lot of things at face value, we were just in delusions for our love in One Piece standards pre established to be withhold when it was not..

Meaning those who wish for the raid to fail, truly love One Piece from the bottom of their heart..

 

[mmd]

- Marines + Shichibukai = 4 Yonkos - Disagree

Yonkos are an independent force, if they form a team together, they might be stronger

- Zoro has Advanced CoC - Disagree

- Luffy won his fight against Katakuri - Disagree

 

[Rootbeer]

Yonkos are an independent force, if they form a team together, they might be stronger

Not they might, 4 Yonko crew together would obliterate the Marines and Shichibukais..

I'm guessing you don't want to get into the Zoro part..

Katakuri let Luffy go, he was pummeled the whole fight.. He didn't win at all.. There was a remark too from Oda from god knows where, said that fight was the greatest shame for Luffy or something.. Luffy didn't win against Katakuri at all..

 

[Marine Piece]

You are insane.

True

 

[RYNO]

But the latter is more important because Sanji wouldn't have become like his brothers and Oda knows it.. So it's a plot hole..

No that's not how writing works, the only thing matters if it makes sense for sanji destroy the rs and it did.

 

[Goodman Grey]

Meaning those who wish for the raid to fail, truly love One Piece from the bottom of their heart..

Facts

 

[Boiroy]

Garbage

 

[Herrera95]

What's the evidence?.. Based on nothing..

What about Blackbeard?..

Exactly! There is no evidence because NO ONE EVER SAID THAT!

And I literally said the same about Teach. Both him and Big Mom are cannibalists.

You're basicly saying you're look forward to deny.. Which is what i've been saying the whole time, you goal is only to be contrarian.. lol

No I'm looking forward to call you out for those statements. You are a troll and dumb but not that much to be incapable of understanding that.

 

[Rootbeer]

No that's not how writing works, the only thing matters if it makes sense for sanji destroy the rs and it did.

Not from a week to week basis.. It doesn't make sense actually, Sanji wouldn't have become emotionless if he kept the RS.. lol

Exactly! There is no evidence because NO ONE EVER SAID THAT!

No there's no evidence that Big Mom ate Mother Carmel and the Kids, they abandoned her..

And I literally said the same about Teach. Both him and Big Mom are cannibalists.

I don't get the Blackbeard part..

No I'm looking forward to call you out for those statements. You are a troll and dumb but not that much to be incapable of understanding that.

So you deny that you are just looking forward to deny me.. Even if that's what you said, you want me to wrong..

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Not from a week to week basis.. It doesn't make sense actually, Sanji wouldn't have become emotionless if he kept the RS.. lol


No there's no evidence that Big Mom ate Mother Carmel and the Kids, they abandoned her..



I don't get the Blackbeard part..


So you deny that you are just looking forward to deny me.. Even if that's what you said, you want me to wrong..

That's not what he said, you are taking his statement at face value and this is wrong.
He is nit denying you on a week to week basis only today, 3 days before the spoilers drop

 

[Herrera95]

No there's no evidence that Big Mom ate Mother Carmel and the Kids, they abandoned her..

Yes there is. She having her powers without eating any Devil Fruit. The place where she was eating got destroyed. No Navy went to recruit her and that was Mother Carmel plan.

I don't get the Blackbeard part..

Teach ate Whitebeard insides that was accessible through the hole made by Akainu. Probably his heart. That's how he got Gura DF powers.

So you deny that you are just looking forward to deny me.. Even if that's what you said, you want me to wrong..

I never said that I want to deny you. I just want to call you out if manga proofs that you believe was wrong. But your headcannon can read what people writes you can only create what people wrote in your crazy head and call it as fact.

 

[Rootbeer]

That's not what he said, you are taking his statement at face value and this is wrong.
He is nit denying you on a week to week basis only today, 3 days before the spoilers drop

And you say i'm the troll, the irony..

Yes there is. She having her powers without eating any Devil Fruit. The place where she was eating got destroyed. No Navy went to recruit her and that was Mother Carmel plan.

Yeah, Mother Carmel gave her the powers and left.. Big Mom destroyed the place and they left..

Teach ate Whitebeard insides that was accessible through the hole made by Akainu. Probably his heart. That's how he got Gura DF powers.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Zoro Blocked Hakai - Disagree

I'm interested to know what you mean here.

What did Zoro do if he didn't block Hakai and why did Kid (out of all people) thanked him for that?
Have you ever seen Kid say ''thank you'' to anyone ? He didn't even thank Luffy for saving him and Killer in Udon.

 

[Rootbeer]

I'm interested to know what you mean here.

What did Zoro do if he didn't block Hakai and why did Kid (out of all people) thanked him for that?
Have you ever seen Kid say ''thank you'' to anyone ? He didn't even thank Luffy for saving him and Killer in Udon.

Ok, i have seen threads and many people were intending by that, he fully blocked Hakai.. No he didn't..

He temporarly resisted the attack and got teleported.. It comes down to the specific meaning behind '' Blocked ''..

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Disagree based on nothing... You can say he didn't blocked fully since Law saved him at the end. But he did blocked

Is there a panel that proves Law did what you are saying ?
If not then I call BS.

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Ok, i have seen threads and many people were intending by that, he fully blocked Hakai.. No he didn't..

He temporarly resisted the attack and got teleported.. It comes down to the specific meaning behind '' Blocked ''..

What I saw is Hakai deviating into the air when it was at first directed in a straight line, after Zoro intervened
There is a panel showing Hakai going to the sky lol
When was he teleported ? Is it because Law showed his hands ? No ''room'', no mention afterwards, nothing but we will give it to Law and ignore à full panel of Hakai deviating ?