Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1087 Spoilers Discussion

[Arthur Fleck]

Interesting

BB+crew defeats 3B bounty Law
Rest of BB crew defeats 3B bounty Garp
Shanks defeats 3B bounty Kidd

Basing on this, Kizaru and Luffy both have 3B bounty. Which 3B bounty will fall?

 

[ZenZu]

Oda is making the BBPs look even more trash than the Least Pirates

Honestly the issue is the Strawhats are fighting them far too deep into the story. The BB pirates are fine, it's just the Strawhats that got too strong too fast in Wano, and now the BB Pirates aren't looking all that exceptional. Otherwise having a crew filled with level 6 impel down inmates further buffed by dfs was scary. Especially Shiryu who was already as strong as Magellan without a df. It just keeps getting harder to feel threatened by their powerlevel the further the story and power levels escalate.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Interesting

BB+crew defeats 3B bounty Law
Rest of BB crew defeats 3B bounty Garp
Shanks defeats 3B bounty Kidd

Basing on this, Kizaru and Luffy both have 3B bounty. Which 3B bounty will fall?

Luffy will job to Saturn

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Yea It's possible but it depends how it's done. Look at King for instance. His AP was nowhere near Rooftop Zoro's, but due to 1 ability and being balanced enough in other ways he bullied Zoro.

Maybe Zoro looked much weaker than he actually was against King given the circumstances, but no way can you convince yourself that they weren't at least on the same level.

You don't whoop someone stronger than you even due to matchup (at this level), it's just not happening imo. Beat? Maybe, but remember we're talking about whooping Zoro's ass a la King.

Wooping Zoro's ass is possible with invisibility as there isn't anything Zoro can do to stop him. With King, he could at least try to defend himself. As you said, King wasn't just dominating Zoro strictly due to his defense although it's the biggest factor. King had comparable skills to Zoro on top of being impossible to kill. Shiryu doesn't though; even if he's as good as King/Rooftop Zoro outside invisibility, which I doubt, he'd still get outclassed against the current Zoro if it weren't for invisibility.

 

[matt245]

Kuzan’s bounty will be higher than the current admirals but lower than Blackbeard’s.

3.3-3.5 billion is most likely.

Mihawk bros…

Why is Garp's bounty closer to Kid than it is to Mihawk?

Marine bros what happened with Roger = Garp?

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

The issue with tricksters is that you can't judge their accurate power level based on their performance against selected individuals. Doffy isn't a threat to the likes of Yonko while Hancock could potentially kill them, but we know for a fact that Doffy is the stronger fighter. It's the same with Zori and Shiryu. Zoro scales above Shiryu generally speaking as in he can operate at a much higher level than him as a fighter. Pit Shiryu against Kaido, he isn't even giving him paper cuts even if Kaido can't detect him. Do the same with Zori, Kaido is covered in blood before Zoro leaves the fight.

Shiryu is insanely strong, but he's not up to the mark overall(when you're comparing him to the top tiers) if he's gonna need 10000 IQ moves just to land a hit on an 80-year-old Garp. The Rain is only a serious threat to Zoro because he lacks the proper tools to fight him, not because he's generally stronger than him.

Why are you acting like we could guage Zoro previous opponents until they fought Zoro? Mr. 1 git kicked through a wall by mr. 2. King his sword shot out of hand n fought Marco 1 v 1 etc.... Most of Zoro opponents don't go crazy until they fight Zoro. They are holding back significantly

 

[LayerZ]

He doesnt need to even if he would. Cg bounties wouldnt really reflect everything at this point.

Yes but he is the most important guy in the entire navy imagine buggy caught and execute the fleet admiral .

 

[ZenZu]

King had comparable skills to Zoro on top of being impossible to kill. Shiryu doesn't though; even if he's as good as King/Rooftop Zoro outside invisibility, which I doubt, he'd still get outclassed against the current Zoro if it weren't for invisibility.

So adding invisibility should close that gap, why do you separate it from Shiryu? Once Zoro can overcome that, then we can safely place him above Shiryu. For now you have to consider they might be comparable.

Let's say Shiryu is rooftop Zoro level without invisibility and then you add invisibility, that's a heck of a fighter. Whatever the case Oda will have to figure this out.

 

[matt245]

Honestly the issue is the Strawhats are fighting them far too deep into the story. The BB pirates are fine, it's just the Strawhats that got too strong too fast in Wano, and now the BB Pirates aren't looking all that exceptional. Otherwise having a crew filled with level 6 impel down inmates further buffed by dfs was scary. Especially Shiryu who was already as strong as Magellan without a df. It just keeps getting harder to feel threatened by their powerlevel the further the story and power levels escalate.

Honestly, the only ones who got too strong are Luffy, Zoro and perhaps Sanji. The rest of the crew gets murdered (you might save Jimbei too tho)

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Honestly the issue is the Strawhats are fighting them far too deep into the story. The BB pirates are fine, it's just the Strawhats that got too strong too fast in Wano, and now the BB Pirates aren't looking all that exceptional. Otherwise having a crew filled with level 6 impel down inmates further buffed by dfs was scary. Especially Shiryu who was already as strong as Magellan without a df. It just keeps getting harder to feel threatened by their powerlevel the further the story and power levels escalate.

1. BB pirates is someone who grows along with the SH.
2. They not finished growing yet
3. Oda is setting them up to get something from Egghead. If its York then they can get upgrades tech, DF in Shiryu fruit etc...
4. They just got their fruits. When they fight SH most of them probably have awakening

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Why are you acting like we could guage Zoro previous opponents until they fought Zoro? Mr. 1 git kicked through a wall by mr. 2. King his sword shot out of hand n fought Marco 1 v 1 etc.... Most of Zoro opponents don't go crazy until they fight Zoro. They are holding back significantly

The difference here is, we get a pretty good grasp of what Zoro's opponent can do way before their fight. This is like the first time this ever happened.

So adding invisibility should close that gap, why do you separate it from Shiryu? Once Zoro can overcome that, then we can safely place him above Shiryu. For now you have to consider they might be comparable.

Let's say Shiryu is rooftop Zoro level without invisibility and then you add invisibility, that's a heck of a fighter. Whatever the case Oda will have to figure this out.

I am not separating it from him—it's his power. I am just saying you can't put him at a fixed level as he's a trick-based fighter. For all we know, Sanji might be able to beat him while even Luffy may lose to him. That doesn't make Luffy weaker than Shiryu or Sanji stronger than Luffy. I am just saying even if Zoro can't outright beat Shiryu in a fight due to a lack of counters to invisibility, he generally scales above him as a fighter because he could operate at higher levels than Shiryu most of the time.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yet another Filler chapter. The thousandth skirmish in One Piece where nothing happens. Just a skirmish and everyone walks away fine. Skirmish after skirmish where nothing relevant happens. First it was Amazon Lily vs BB Skirmish, nothing happened. Then it was Law vs BB skirmish, nothing happened. Then it was CP0 vs Strawhats skirmish, nothing happened. Cut, copy, paste.

Amazon Lily where Hancock nearly died and part of the island was sliced in half, and we see how the Seraphim fight
Law vs BB where his crew is in the ocean, his ship destroyed, and he's on the verge of death.
CP0 vs Strawhats where Lucci and Kaku got defeated and locked up, and we see Stussy is a traitor.
"Nothing happened"
Then with this we see:
How Vasco fights
How Pizarro fights
How Kuzan fights
Etc.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

vice admirals should get 400 mil since it's only 3 ranks apart from captain

I see. Only celebrities that can't fight get 5 stars.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Lee my brother I don't know why you feel compelled to do this almost every chapter discussion, just leave bro

FOR REAL

 

[MonsterZoro]

raws

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

raws

OUT

 

[matt245]

Fuckkkkkk, shit piece is back. I was hoping for a permanent end to this manga.

The only one that ended permanently is Naruto. You gotta deal now with Boruto so it's double the L

 

[Paperchampion23]

Yet another Filler chapter. The thousandth skirmish in One Piece where nothing happens. Just a skirmish and everyone walks away fine. Skirmish after skirmish where nothing relevant happens. First it was Amazon Lily vs BB Skirmish, nothing happened. Then it was Law vs BB skirmish, nothing happened. Then it was CP0 vs Strawhats skirmish, nothing happened. Cut, copy, paste.

You mean like the entirety of Naruto's final war save for Neji dying?

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

FOR REAL

There's no way he doesn't have an account on fanverse, just go there dude

 

[Frankystein]

So? You're agreeing with me.
Garp is on the same level as the Admirals in power and status and his bounty reflects that but he's only getting 500M from his Marine rank while the Admirals have no accolades outside of being Admirals. Garp has a whole 2.5b for his name while the Admirals have nothing without their Admiral rank.

That 500m for VA are the Cg standard limit. But obviously, those from Cg arent idiots to think that Garp are on the same level as those standard VA becauseG arp has always been on the same level as an admiral's power and status. Are you new?

Being admirals is an accolade itself. Idk what youre implying. Garp is supposed to be an admiral. The admiral promotion was a reflection of what hes done for his name. So being an admiral means youve done something to be recognized as the strongest force of navy. How are they nothing outside their rank?