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I admittedly confuse with the timeline. Am I right that...
1) Gojo expanded domain faster than Sukuna 0.1 sec
2) In that 0.1 sec, Sukuna got hit by unlimited viod and Gojo could stab his chest
3) They continue fighting. After 2:40 minutes, Sukuna's domain collapse
4) Sukuna got hit with unlimited void again
Please correct me if I am wrong. I have a hard time understanding this
1) Gojo expanded domain faster than Sukuna 0.1 sec
2) In that 0.1 sec, Sukuna got hit by unlimited viod and Gojo could stab his chest
3) They continue fighting. After 2:40 minutes, Sukuna's domain collapse
4) Sukuna got hit with unlimited void again
Please correct me if I am wrong. I have a hard time understanding this
the previous domain battle was deadlocked neither one was able to use their sure hit effects of their domain so gojo didn’t hit him with Unlimited Void just CE & taijutsu on the next one gojo destroyed malevolent shrine by destroying his heart but that isn’t enough to kill Sukuna so he was going back in for the actual sure hit of UV, he connected but Sukuna still somehow managed to call Maho.
still undisclosed how this fully happens. I assume next chapter we’ll get that
still undisclosed how this fully happens. I assume next chapter we’ll get that
Joking...
You do understand that saying it's Gojoever was a meme right?
Then there was no point in saying they were equal inside the domain...
That was a big thing that was pointed out multiple times. If any domain was able to survive top tier domains like Gojo's, domain battles would not have been as emphasized as it is now and would be secondary to cqc or other techniques inside the domain lol.
Like, that's the whole point of a domain being more "refined". So their sure hits hit harder.
Sukuna sure hit of cleave and dismantle equalled Gojo's unlimited void sure hits. So if Sukuna has something stronger, it's obviously gonna over power UV.
The panel states "more polished one would win".
What do you think that is in reference to? It's not the barriers or the users other techniques that is clashing. It's literally their CT imbued in the domain. So, more polished directly refers to the sure hits. Or at the very least, its the most important part of a domain.
Obviously. It's a theory.
But IF Sukuna has a REAL CT™ ,that automatically confirms my thought process.
Gojo saying his sure hit is stronger is just a way too obvious flag for a reveal lol.
You do understand that saying it's Gojoever was a meme right?
This is headcanon. Megumi had no sure hit yet his domain was in a struggle with Dagon's and Dagon couldn't use his sure hit any longer. Their domains would still be in a struggle inside.
If all it took for a domain to win is to have a stronger hit, Gojo's would have won, since it's been established his hit>cleave/dismantle.
If all it took for a domain to win is to have a stronger hit, Gojo's would have won, since it's been established his hit>cleave/dismantle.
That was a big thing that was pointed out multiple times. If any domain was able to survive top tier domains like Gojo's, domain battles would not have been as emphasized as it is now and would be secondary to cqc or other techniques inside the domain lol.
Like, that's the whole point of a domain being more "refined". So their sure hits hit harder.
Sukuna sure hit of cleave and dismantle equalled Gojo's unlimited void sure hits. So if Sukuna has something stronger, it's obviously gonna over power UV.
It's all about all the factors
It is very very likely that their domains would still be in a struggle until one collapsed and crashed.
It is very very likely that their domains would still be in a struggle until one collapsed and crashed.
The panel states "more polished one would win".
What do you think that is in reference to? It's not the barriers or the users other techniques that is clashing. It's literally their CT imbued in the domain. So, more polished directly refers to the sure hits. Or at the very least, its the most important part of a domain.
Obviously. It's a theory.
But IF Sukuna has a REAL CT™ ,that automatically confirms my thought process.
Gojo saying his sure hit is stronger is just a way too obvious flag for a reveal lol.
Sure hit effect works when 2nd person's DE is destroyed.
Follow this;
Sure hit effect works only when 2nd person's domain is destroyed.
When Sukuna and Gojo opened their domains their sure hit effects cancelled each other. Because their domains were still up.
Gojo's domain has barrier, so it was destroyed from outside. That's why Sukuna's sure hit effect worked on Gojo.
Sukuna's domain has no barrier so it was not possible for Gojo to break it. He FORCED Sukuna to CLOSE his domain by dealing severe damage.
Later, Gojo tried to change barrier conditions. He found that super dense domain can stay up longer against Sukuna's domain.
First time, he managed to deal enough damage to, again, FORCE Sukuna to close his domain.
He opened his domain again, but Sukuna was late this time by less than 0.01 second.
TLDR: Sure hit effects cancel each other. Does not matter which one is stronger. Sure hit effect works only when 2nd person's domain is destroyed or he is late to open it.
Follow this;
Sure hit effect works only when 2nd person's domain is destroyed.
When Sukuna and Gojo opened their domains their sure hit effects cancelled each other. Because their domains were still up.
Gojo's domain has barrier, so it was destroyed from outside. That's why Sukuna's sure hit effect worked on Gojo.
Sukuna's domain has no barrier so it was not possible for Gojo to break it. He FORCED Sukuna to CLOSE his domain by dealing severe damage.
Later, Gojo tried to change barrier conditions. He found that super dense domain can stay up longer against Sukuna's domain.
First time, he managed to deal enough damage to, again, FORCE Sukuna to close his domain.
He opened his domain again, but Sukuna was late this time by less than 0.01 second.
TLDR: Sure hit effects cancel each other. Does not matter which one is stronger. Sure hit effect works only when 2nd person's domain is destroyed or he is late to open it.
No they were not joking lol.
Irrelevant to the point so nvm.
So tell me why was Dagon's sure hit gone? What was it clashing with? Megumi has no sure hit, so what was it? Unless Gege is going for a retcon here.
No, we've seen Gojo completely and instantly overpower Jogo's domain. There was no clash no tug of war. Jogo knew the same would happen with Sukuna.
What I am saying is that domains engage in a tug of war, like we've seen. Even when Sukuna sacrificed his sure hit to destroy the barrier his domain wasn't gone because they were still engaged in a tug of war overall. Which is making my point for me. Without his sure hit, if we follow what you are saying, Sukuna's domain should have been destroyed immediately because he had no sure hit, but it wasn't because they were engaged in a clash for territory.
Read above.
If we're going by what you are saying, there would be no need to polish your domain. If it's just the CT. Because if you have a stronger CT you should win automatically, per your wording.
To polish a domain means to make the barrier stronger, use more cursed energy, apply some conditions. Obviously your CT is also a part of that. But then Gojo wouldn't need to polish his domain because his CT is one of the strongest etc.
Like I said, I am not saying what you think is impossible. It may very well happen, but so far we've been shown and implied otherwise.
Irrelevant to the point so nvm.
So tell me why was Dagon's sure hit gone? What was it clashing with? Megumi has no sure hit, so what was it? Unless Gege is going for a retcon here.
No, we've seen Gojo completely and instantly overpower Jogo's domain. There was no clash no tug of war. Jogo knew the same would happen with Sukuna.
What I am saying is that domains engage in a tug of war, like we've seen. Even when Sukuna sacrificed his sure hit to destroy the barrier his domain wasn't gone because they were still engaged in a tug of war overall. Which is making my point for me. Without his sure hit, if we follow what you are saying, Sukuna's domain should have been destroyed immediately because he had no sure hit, but it wasn't because they were engaged in a clash for territory.
Read above.
If we're going by what you are saying, there would be no need to polish your domain. If it's just the CT. Because if you have a stronger CT you should win automatically, per your wording.
To polish a domain means to make the barrier stronger, use more cursed energy, apply some conditions. Obviously your CT is also a part of that. But then Gojo wouldn't need to polish his domain because his CT is one of the strongest etc.
Like I said, I am not saying what you think is impossible. It may very well happen, but so far we've been shown and implied otherwise.
If we follow that concept, then any domain clashes not involving a barrier less domain is useless.
Like, you remember the threw way domain expansion? What use would that have been if they still required to beat each other up inside the domain to do any damage?
Sure hits don't cancel each other out normally. If they did, then it would be common knowledge. And gege wouldn't have said this.
That reaction from Kusakabe and Mei Mei is of surprise that they cancelled each other out.
That's not what their reaction would be if it was common for sure hits to cancel out.
There is no "tug of war" Inside a domain clash if every sure hit cancels every other sure hit.
Besides, just think for a second. How the fuck would a super powerful sorcerer like Gojo get their sure hits cancelled by a weak opponent like Jogo?
Don't know tbh. His sure hit should have existed outside of where Megumi expanded his own domain. There was no way Megumi's half baked domain was more polished than Dragon's. It basically was a glorified simple domain.
So, I guess that could be the reason. Basically, Megumi's domain covered a portion of Dragon's domain. And acted as simple domains do.
And Dagon's sure hit was not working specifically in that part.
And since Dragon's sure hit is conjuring shikigami at the enemy's location from thin air, seems likely that his sure hit didn't work in a simple domain like place I guess.
Megumi's domain is super weird tbh.
Right. Gojo expanded his domain and used Unlimited void. He didnt avoid using his sure hit or anything. His sure hit hit instantly, over powering Jogo's own. Jogo was shown trying to use his right before that. Going by the sure hits always cancel out route, it shouldn't have hit Jogo.
Sukuna only did that by touching Gojo though. And thus making Gojo's sure hit null.
If he didn't touch Gojo, then it would have hit. That's even said in the chapter itself.
And Sukuna's/Kenny's domains are exceptions to the rule of domains too. They allow other domains to exist inside theirs freely. If both Gojo and Sukuna turned off their sure hits, I doubt the domains would get destroyed. After all, Sukuna has been destroying Gojo's domain by slashing the barrier, and Gojo has been destroying Sukuna's by dealing enough damage to Sukuna. Not by the tug of war method.
The inverse is also true though. If barrier was that important to a domain battle, then sorcerers would be opting to strengthen their barrier first and foremost. But it's not shown at all. All the regular domain battles have had normal barriers.
We don't know what polishing a domain means tbh. A CT also isn't strong naturally. It also needs practice and training to be the best it can be. So that could also be what polish means. A polished CT means a stronger domain
The barrier is naturally strong against attacks from inside, to the point it's almost impossible to break it from inside. In a domain battle, the sorcerers aren't trying to break the barrier from the inside at all.
They're trying to over power the other using their CT and sure hits.
And yes, a domain clash also includes CE and compatibility as Gojo said. Gojo and Sukuna are top tier in CE usage. And there's no compatibility issues either. So for their clash inside Gojo's barrier to be equal, their CTs have to be equal as well.
I think this is about the effect of his CT. It makes enemies go catatonic. So it's strong in the sense that once it hits, Gojo can wail on the enemy cause they unconscious.
And Sukuna has already adapted to it/broke free of it as shown in this chapter. He summoned Maho AFTER getting hit by UV.
Also read my first reply. About how Mei mei and Kusakabe reacts to Gojo and Sukuna being equal inside Gojo's domain.
Why would Sukuna using slashes be cheating? He has already used it to cut Jogo up. So him suddenly going "I won't use it" Is dumb. That line only works if his CT isn't just slashes.
Like, you remember the threw way domain expansion? What use would that have been if they still required to beat each other up inside the domain to do any damage?
Sure hits don't cancel each other out normally. If they did, then it would be common knowledge. And gege wouldn't have said this.
That reaction from Kusakabe and Mei Mei is of surprise that they cancelled each other out.
That's not what their reaction would be if it was common for sure hits to cancel out.
There is no "tug of war" Inside a domain clash if every sure hit cancels every other sure hit.
Besides, just think for a second. How the fuck would a super powerful sorcerer like Gojo get their sure hits cancelled by a weak opponent like Jogo?
Don't know tbh. His sure hit should have existed outside of where Megumi expanded his own domain. There was no way Megumi's half baked domain was more polished than Dragon's. It basically was a glorified simple domain.
So, I guess that could be the reason. Basically, Megumi's domain covered a portion of Dragon's domain. And acted as simple domains do.
And Dagon's sure hit was not working specifically in that part.
And since Dragon's sure hit is conjuring shikigami at the enemy's location from thin air, seems likely that his sure hit didn't work in a simple domain like place I guess.
Megumi's domain is super weird tbh.
Right. Gojo expanded his domain and used Unlimited void. He didnt avoid using his sure hit or anything. His sure hit hit instantly, over powering Jogo's own. Jogo was shown trying to use his right before that. Going by the sure hits always cancel out route, it shouldn't have hit Jogo.
Sukuna only did that by touching Gojo though. And thus making Gojo's sure hit null.
If he didn't touch Gojo, then it would have hit. That's even said in the chapter itself.
And Sukuna's/Kenny's domains are exceptions to the rule of domains too. They allow other domains to exist inside theirs freely. If both Gojo and Sukuna turned off their sure hits, I doubt the domains would get destroyed. After all, Sukuna has been destroying Gojo's domain by slashing the barrier, and Gojo has been destroying Sukuna's by dealing enough damage to Sukuna. Not by the tug of war method.
The inverse is also true though. If barrier was that important to a domain battle, then sorcerers would be opting to strengthen their barrier first and foremost. But it's not shown at all. All the regular domain battles have had normal barriers.
We don't know what polishing a domain means tbh. A CT also isn't strong naturally. It also needs practice and training to be the best it can be. So that could also be what polish means. A polished CT means a stronger domain
The barrier is naturally strong against attacks from inside, to the point it's almost impossible to break it from inside. In a domain battle, the sorcerers aren't trying to break the barrier from the inside at all.
They're trying to over power the other using their CT and sure hits.
And yes, a domain clash also includes CE and compatibility as Gojo said. Gojo and Sukuna are top tier in CE usage. And there's no compatibility issues either. So for their clash inside Gojo's barrier to be equal, their CTs have to be equal as well.
I think this is about the effect of his CT. It makes enemies go catatonic. So it's strong in the sense that once it hits, Gojo can wail on the enemy cause they unconscious.
And Sukuna has already adapted to it/broke free of it as shown in this chapter. He summoned Maho AFTER getting hit by UV.
Also read my first reply. About how Mei mei and Kusakabe reacts to Gojo and Sukuna being equal inside Gojo's domain.
Why would Sukuna using slashes be cheating? He has already used it to cut Jogo up. So him suddenly going "I won't use it" Is dumb. That line only works if his CT isn't just slashes.
Don't know tbh. His sure hit should have existed outside of where Megumi expanded his own domain. There was no way Megumi's half baked domain was more polished than Dragon's. It basically was a glorified simple domain.
So, I guess that could be the reason. Basically, Megumi's domain covered a portion of Dragon's domain. And acted as simple domains do.
And Dagon's sure hit was not working specifically in that part.
And since Dragon's sure hit is conjuring shikigami at the enemy's location from thin air, seems likely that his sure hit didn't work in a simple domain like place I guess.
Megumi's domain is super weird tbh.
So, I guess that could be the reason. Basically, Megumi's domain covered a portion of Dragon's domain. And acted as simple domains do.
And Dagon's sure hit was not working specifically in that part.
Megumi's domain is super weird tbh.
Dagon verbatim says 'It's as if we are in a domain tug of war.' And he also says that if he were to regain his hit aka overpower Megumi's attack he'd kill them all.
Maybe Gege is retconning it now like I said.
Sure hits cancel each other if the domains are of similar strength. Gojo's domain>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jogo's. Sukuna's domain>>>>>>>>>>>Jogo's. Gojo overpowers Jogo and then hits him.
You are not getting what I am saying. This legit proves your point wrong lol.
If the sure hits cancel each other but Sukuna removes his sure hit, what is Gojo's sure hit clashing against?? If we follow your logic here it would dictate that it would ruin shrine because there is no longer anything to clash with.
Do you get my point? It boils down to that. If there are no clashes with sure hits why didn't Shrine get destroyed?
No the domains would be in a stalemate like in Dagon and Megumi's case. That's what I am saying lol. That's the tug of war. Deal damage to the opponent so they can't maintain the domain. That's what happened to Dagon after Toji styled on him.
But they do. They refine their barrier more and more on the inside.
We don't which is why Gege needs to elaborate further.
That's wrong. Gojo was considered extremely strong with just blue and focused infinity.
There is a compatibility issue lol. The fact that Sukuna's domain is open barrier.
We don't know how he did that. It's possible it was a binding vow. Plus he only experienced the hit for 0.01 seconds lol.
The cut the essays short and make this simple. Why didn't Sukuna's domain shatter when he had no sure hit? And also why does Sukuna use cleave and dismantle if he has stronger sure hits?
Like I said what you are saying may very well happen and be true but so far it's purely headcanon.
If we follow that concept, then any domain clashes not involving a barrier less domain is useless.
Like, you remember the threw way domain expansion? What use would that have been if they still required to beat each other up inside the domain to do any damage?
Sure hits don't cancel each other out normally. If they did, then it would be common knowledge. And gege wouldn't have said this.
That reaction from Kusakabe and Mei Mei is of surprise that they cancelled each other out.
That's not what their reaction would be if it was common for sure hits to cancel out.
There is no "tug of war" Inside a domain clash if every sure hit cancels every other sure hit.
Besides, just think for a second. How the fuck would a super powerful sorcerer like Gojo get their sure hits cancelled by a weak opponent like Jogo?
Like, you remember the threw way domain expansion? What use would that have been if they still required to beat each other up inside the domain to do any damage?
Sure hits don't cancel each other out normally. If they did, then it would be common knowledge. And gege wouldn't have said this.
That's not what their reaction would be if it was common for sure hits to cancel out.
There is no "tug of war" Inside a domain clash if every sure hit cancels every other sure hit.
Besides, just think for a second. How the fuck would a super powerful sorcerer like Gojo get their sure hits cancelled by a weak opponent like Jogo?
holy fuck do you not follow basic logic in the series:
for simplicity why do you think moves like "simple domain" & "blossom emotion" counter domains?
there's no point in responding to the 2nd part when michael already laid out all the facts for you
lol Jogo did not in any way shape or form cancel out Gojos sure hit - Jogos domain was completely taken over once Gojo released his and held Yuji in one hand.
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I was convinced this is the point where these guys both lose, Gojo uses open domain and finishes it or just loses after defeating mahogara but looking at it again we're at the same point where Sukuna destroyed Yorozu's domain expansion and won.
Don't know if Gege would go for the same thing twice.
With that said massive mistake from Gege not to give more insight into Sukunas thoughts whole he fights. The constant :) while getting his ass beat gets boring.
Don't know if Gege would go for the same thing twice.
With that said massive mistake from Gege not to give more insight into Sukunas thoughts whole he fights. The constant :) while getting his ass beat gets boring.
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