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We are moving step by step. My goal is to challenge your belief of "wokeness is bad and a problem for society". What am I doing is looking to a microscope to each sub beliefs containing that belief and challenge them one by one to see if the major belief still stand. This is an epistemologic technique. You will understand why its important at the end. Se that like a card castle, each sub beliefs are the card below and the major belief "wokeness is a problem" is the card at the top.
We are making progress. By defining what wokeness is, we went from "wokeness is a problem" to "fake wokeness is a problem". This means that we are on the right track.
So now, the current belief we are examining me and you is "the fight for a more inclusive langage is not important" we are trying to see if that's true or not.
We are making progress. By defining what wokeness is, we went from "wokeness is a problem" to "fake wokeness is a problem". This means that we are on the right track.
So now, the current belief we are examining me and you is "the fight for a more inclusive langage is not important" we are trying to see if that's true or not.
Sex- what a man/woman is
Gender- what a man/woman does and how they could dress, act and contribute to society.
The terms 'man' and 'woman' are names for biological humans based on their sex. Gender is are the social norms and conformities of what sexes should be capable of, and it changes throughout history. For example, heels were originally created for male rulers to make them look taller and more powerful. It was a display of status and strength. As time passed, it became fashion attritiubed to females.
These are just the simple, impartial facts. Modern day wokeness tries to change the definition of gender to something you simply identify as, but problems obviously show themselves when you bring up sex(in regards to sports, restrooms and locker rooms in which male-female separation is based on biological sex). The solution is then to make sex and gender no different from other whenever it's convenient.
Doesn't really sound like an issue on the level of poverty, racism etc.
Gender- what a man/woman does and how they could dress, act and contribute to society.
The terms 'man' and 'woman' are names for biological humans based on their sex. Gender is are the social norms and conformities of what sexes should be capable of, and it changes throughout history. For example, heels were originally created for male rulers to make them look taller and more powerful. It was a display of status and strength. As time passed, it became fashion attritiubed to females.
These are just the simple, impartial facts. Modern day wokeness tries to change the definition of gender to something you simply identify as, but problems obviously show themselves when you bring up sex(in regards to sports, restrooms and locker rooms in which male-female separation is based on biological sex). The solution is then to make sex and gender no different from other whenever it's convenient.
Doesn't really sound like an issue on the level of poverty, racism etc.
That's the thing. I know how those therapy work. And the goal of those therapies is to end gender disphoria (which is a mental illness not a a state that is immuable.) that leads to most suicide. To end gender disphoria, those tool are used :
- Simple therapy (meaning speaking with a
- Ask for a change in the environment of the person (it can lead to meeting with parents to make them understand the problem and therefore being more inclusive of their child for example)
- A change of "identity" (With a name, with new pronouns)
- A medical treatment for anxiety and other trouble caused by gender disphoria.
So let me rephrase what you said: From what I understand, you think that suicide can't be prevented and that trans people with gender disphoria must pass through therapy which leads factually to the treatment of gender disphoria and therefore less suicide.
Do you understand the contradiction here ?
Close but not quite. That's not the scientific definition.
For a more precise definition you can for example look at the definition of "the world health organisation":
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Sex refers to “the different biological and physiological characteristics of males and females, such as reproductive organs, chromosomes, hormones, etc.”
Gender refers to "the socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men "
Good question. Because precisely, the way we shape the langage will influence the way we shape society.
If - for example - we introduce more pronons for more inclusivity - we will automatically have a langage more inclusive for person that are non binary or trans, which will automatically lead to more acceptance from the public and more tolerance on a subconsient level.
But don't lure yourself here, the battle for a more inclusive langage is just a tiny (around 5%) part of the battle for more inclusivity in society. In fact the english langage is already inclusive ("they" exist). Languages like french are not.
Indeed, Pretty f*cked up thing to live actually... from experience
- Simple therapy (meaning speaking with a
- Ask for a change in the environment of the person (it can lead to meeting with parents to make them understand the problem and therefore being more inclusive of their child for example)
- A change of "identity" (With a name, with new pronouns)
- A medical treatment for anxiety and other trouble caused by gender disphoria.
So let me rephrase what you said: From what I understand, you think that suicide can't be prevented and that trans people with gender disphoria must pass through therapy which leads factually to the treatment of gender disphoria and therefore less suicide.
Do you understand the contradiction here ?
Close but not quite. That's not the scientific definition.
For a more precise definition you can for example look at the definition of "the world health organisation":
"
Sex refers to “the different biological and physiological characteristics of males and females, such as reproductive organs, chromosomes, hormones, etc.”
Gender refers to "the socially constructed characteristics of women and men – such as norms, roles and relationships of and between groups of women and men "
Good question. Because precisely, the way we shape the langage will influence the way we shape society.
If - for example - we introduce more pronons for more inclusivity - we will automatically have a langage more inclusive for person that are non binary or trans, which will automatically lead to more acceptance from the public and more tolerance on a subconsient level.
But don't lure yourself here, the battle for a more inclusive langage is just a tiny (around 5%) part of the battle for more inclusivity in society. In fact the english langage is already inclusive ("they" exist). Languages like french are not.
Indeed, Pretty f*cked up thing to live actually... from experience
The "woke movement" that I'm part fight for more inclusivity and a better life for trans, which means the development of better treatment for gender disphoria as well as more inclusivity through langage/environment/family toward people that are fighting against trans right.
So we are doing exactly what the treatment of gender disphoria preconize.
But we also do that for Racism (fighting against systemic racism) we do that for capitalism (fighting against corporation) we do that for the environment (fighting for a reconnaissance of scientific fact that is climate change), we fight also against antiscience that leads toward complotism and we fight for minorities in general (jews / Muslim / Lgbtq+) etc and against the hate toward those minorities.
The fight against trans is only visible because the ALRIGHT is directly threatenned by the existence of trans people and therefore put it in front page and the sword of "wokeness" but the reality is.. Trans issue are just a tiny part of our fight.
Once I will get rid of transphobia here, I'll move on to another fight, maybe antiracism or anticapitalism, I don't know.
So to come back to the discussion, I'm not saying that we can prevent all suicides, but by fighting, we can help at least trans people not to kill themself.
So we are doing exactly what the treatment of gender disphoria preconize.
But we also do that for Racism (fighting against systemic racism) we do that for capitalism (fighting against corporation) we do that for the environment (fighting for a reconnaissance of scientific fact that is climate change), we fight also against antiscience that leads toward complotism and we fight for minorities in general (jews / Muslim / Lgbtq+) etc and against the hate toward those minorities.
The fight against trans is only visible because the ALRIGHT is directly threatenned by the existence of trans people and therefore put it in front page and the sword of "wokeness" but the reality is.. Trans issue are just a tiny part of our fight.
Once I will get rid of transphobia here, I'll move on to another fight, maybe antiracism or anticapitalism, I don't know.
So to come back to the discussion, I'm not saying that we can prevent all suicides, but by fighting, we can help at least trans people not to kill themself.
