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You said "all leftist call right winger Nazi". I'm a leftist and I don't do that, so that's wrong. You, are wrong.
That's just your common right winger moral panic that is scared to accept that they are right wingers and scared to be seen as the bad guys.
Leftist fight right wingers but they know that all of them are not bad guys. Right wingers are wrong, yes, but we KNOW how to make the difference.
This is not the first time that I see you use this strawman argument.
You just can't accept criticism.
Do you see me calling Macron a Nazi ?
That's just your common right winger moral panic that is scared to accept that they are right wingers and scared to be seen as the bad guys.
Leftist fight right wingers but they know that all of them are not bad guys. Right wingers are wrong, yes, but we KNOW how to make the difference.
This is not the first time that I see you use this strawman argument.
You just can't accept criticism.
Do you see me calling Macron a Nazi ?
There tends to be no good guys or bad guys
just different levels of moral grayness
I dont see political groups as a simple
leftie = moral good and right winger = moral bad
dont really give a damn if you see right wingers as bad or think they are evil
just think it's childish to act like this team you like is good and the other team bad as if your a kid on a playground
you functionally act in the manner described
calling loads of people alt right for the same method to shame them due to your dislike of their opinons
ofc it's not nazi
you are calling them but it's the same poisoning of the well to potray you as the moral good and your opposition as the moral bad
they alt right bad guys and me im perfect, dont side with those devils
me the leftist is better then them, im innocent angel
it's the same shit right wingers do, moral grand standing and childish degradation of character with no objective basis same as christan fundamentalists calling people satanists as to disavow them as they cant prove what makes them satanist and cant prove anything about it just signaling to their group of blind dumb followers that these people bad and me good no different to your undefined ramblings on alt right
you couldt define the shit when it was asked of you, it's all madeup bs on the lv christan fundamenlists calling people satanists as to shame them
just different levels of moral grayness
I dont see political groups as a simple
leftie = moral good and right winger = moral bad
dont really give a damn if you see right wingers as bad or think they are evil
just think it's childish to act like this team you like is good and the other team bad as if your a kid on a playground
you functionally act in the manner described
calling loads of people alt right for the same method to shame them due to your dislike of their opinons
ofc it's not nazi
you are calling them but it's the same poisoning of the well to potray you as the moral good and your opposition as the moral bad
they alt right bad guys and me im perfect, dont side with those devils
me the leftist is better then them, im innocent angel
it's the same shit right wingers do, moral grand standing and childish degradation of character with no objective basis same as christan fundamentalists calling people satanists as to disavow them as they cant prove what makes them satanist and cant prove anything about it just signaling to their group of blind dumb followers that these people bad and me good no different to your undefined ramblings on alt right
you couldt define the shit when it was asked of you, it's all madeup bs on the lv christan fundamenlists calling people satanists as to shame them
That's why it will take you years to understand how the world really works.
Only you think that way, not lefties. We fonction in term of right and wrong not good and bad.
When you see a nazi, you call them a nazi, right ? Well there is a lot of people here that have alt right ideas so its logical to say they are altright. That's indeed a shaming tactic because being altright is kinda f*cked up.
But not all right wingers here are alt right person. That's why I don't generalize right winger or conservative or Altrightist
Your argument was "you call all right winger alt right" and this argument is a lie. So don't try to diverge the attention here.
Yes some people are alt right here, I don't see Nazis tho but not all right winger are like that.
If you feel threaten, know that I don't include everyone else when I call you a right wing confusionnist.
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So to conclude. No, there is no reason to stop calling out the BS of people like you. But don't worry, I don't include other right winger when I talk to you. You are the only one with BS and sexist arguments :)
Only you think that way, not lefties. We fonction in term of right and wrong not good and bad.
When you see a nazi, you call them a nazi, right ? Well there is a lot of people here that have alt right ideas so its logical to say they are altright. That's indeed a shaming tactic because being altright is kinda f*cked up.
But not all right wingers here are alt right person. That's why I don't generalize right winger or conservative or Altrightist
Your argument was "you call all right winger alt right" and this argument is a lie. So don't try to diverge the attention here.
Yes some people are alt right here, I don't see Nazis tho but not all right winger are like that.
If you feel threaten, know that I don't include everyone else when I call you a right wing confusionnist.
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So to conclude. No, there is no reason to stop calling out the BS of people like you. But don't worry, I don't include other right winger when I talk to you. You are the only one with BS and sexist arguments :)
you have next to no understanding of how the world works
you filter everything though not what the facts may suggest but if it fits your leftist framework
case in point
men
To your leftist idealogy ofc they run the show and just opress women, all day for no other reason then ig to personally piss you off as if some random dude on the street remotely care about you or your clearly biased takes on complicated social issues that you must summarize as bad and good as any amount of neutrality makes it very hard for a vote blue regardless of reason or facts guy like you
seriously the group that on average is making little amounts of money and deadass has the highest suicide rate would be the group that is living the life and just very previliged
you see how dumb that sounds
I can explain this more, you dont have good understanding on how the world works
you have a leftist poltitical propagandist understanding that has basis on twitter and nowhere else
dude you can find pretty of leftists on twitter
that talk exactly as im saying and you know damn well
you have talked that way before
I asked you define it and you couldt
And yea the alt right thinks a far left leaning person would be fucked up almost they dislike you cause of your idealogical beliefs not cause you raped kids or something
the underlying reason why ''alt right'' hates you is the same reason why they hate the far left ie you
it's ideology
it's my reglion versus yours type reason, there's nothing to take pragmatically about your dislike, it's just oppositional based on politics and nothing
I fundamentally hate both groups due to their very tribal nature something you represent very well on the daily when you post your very unedicated biased takes that in your head you think are right cause your idealogically possesed
you see everything not by if it's truthful but if follows your belief ie leftism no different to the alt right people
you hate only difference is that you think your group is the better one
When in reality, your both just biased people who hate other for belief and nothing more havving little evidence for any retarded nonsense often argued
you say my arguments are sexist and bs yet you never once debunked them
instead you consistently present the inability to prove what the terms you use mean
confusionism as a example how long was that till you explained that and provided any evidence for that being a thing
lol at that btw, going on a clearly english site using french terms as if anybody knows what the hell your talking about but yes im the one with the bs claims at least people can understand me and at least can define what people im talking about when using terms designated for a group
you filter everything though not what the facts may suggest but if it fits your leftist framework
case in point
men
To your leftist idealogy ofc they run the show and just opress women, all day for no other reason then ig to personally piss you off as if some random dude on the street remotely care about you or your clearly biased takes on complicated social issues that you must summarize as bad and good as any amount of neutrality makes it very hard for a vote blue regardless of reason or facts guy like you
seriously the group that on average is making little amounts of money and deadass has the highest suicide rate would be the group that is living the life and just very previliged
you see how dumb that sounds
I can explain this more, you dont have good understanding on how the world works
you have a leftist poltitical propagandist understanding that has basis on twitter and nowhere else
dude you can find pretty of leftists on twitter
that talk exactly as im saying and you know damn well
you have talked that way before
I asked you define it and you couldt
And yea the alt right thinks a far left leaning person would be fucked up almost they dislike you cause of your idealogical beliefs not cause you raped kids or something
the underlying reason why ''alt right'' hates you is the same reason why they hate the far left ie you
it's ideology
it's my reglion versus yours type reason, there's nothing to take pragmatically about your dislike, it's just oppositional based on politics and nothing
I fundamentally hate both groups due to their very tribal nature something you represent very well on the daily when you post your very unedicated biased takes that in your head you think are right cause your idealogically possesed
you see everything not by if it's truthful but if follows your belief ie leftism no different to the alt right people
you hate only difference is that you think your group is the better one
When in reality, your both just biased people who hate other for belief and nothing more havving little evidence for any retarded nonsense often argued
you say my arguments are sexist and bs yet you never once debunked them
instead you consistently present the inability to prove what the terms you use mean
confusionism as a example how long was that till you explained that and provided any evidence for that being a thing
lol at that btw, going on a clearly english site using french terms as if anybody knows what the hell your talking about but yes im the one with the bs claims at least people can understand me and at least can define what people im talking about when using terms designated for a group
Cute lol
Show me examples
To science mate. But you deny science that contradict your point of view, so there is no winning with you hehe. Again, that's why it will take you years to understand how the world works. You need first to understand how to accept factual arguments about science.
Its not a question of bad and good, its a question of power and domination in society. But to understand that, again, you need to accept ALL science, not just the one that fit your point of view.
Yes, there is a lot of pretty leftist on twitter, I agree.
Those are not militant, mostly young adults or kids. Its your problem of taking them seriously. Real leftist know how to make the difference between amoral rightwingers and cryptofascist.
Never no. Stop lying. I've always made the difference between ignorant right wingers and fascist or confusionnist. Its not my fault if there is a lot of people using altright langage here lol
Couldn't what ? Define the alt right ? Already did. The alt right is a group that is defined by ultra conservative and integrist ideologies. They often rely on complotism, racism, deny of science and moral panic to justify their point of view. Voila, not so hard.
No, the fight against hate, anti science, moral panics, desinformation is a pretty pragmatic fight mate. You are just not used to do that.
"you are the same, I hate you both". Typical confusionnist behavior. You don't understand neither the alt right nether the left, so for you its easier to hate both. When the reality is that a group is morally problematic for society while the other fight injustice..
But yeah.. Keep talking like a so called centrist, it will just take you years to understand real politic. And real value conflict.
Already did, you are just in denial. You can't talk to someone that doesn't want to see.
Already gave you evidence that this was a french militant term used specifically in politic. But again. Denial is strong with you.
Yes
Show me examples
To science mate. But you deny science that contradict your point of view, so there is no winning with you hehe. Again, that's why it will take you years to understand how the world works. You need first to understand how to accept factual arguments about science.
Its not a question of bad and good, its a question of power and domination in society. But to understand that, again, you need to accept ALL science, not just the one that fit your point of view.
Yes, there is a lot of pretty leftist on twitter, I agree.
Those are not militant, mostly young adults or kids. Its your problem of taking them seriously. Real leftist know how to make the difference between amoral rightwingers and cryptofascist.
Never no. Stop lying. I've always made the difference between ignorant right wingers and fascist or confusionnist. Its not my fault if there is a lot of people using altright langage here lol
Couldn't what ? Define the alt right ? Already did. The alt right is a group that is defined by ultra conservative and integrist ideologies. They often rely on complotism, racism, deny of science and moral panic to justify their point of view. Voila, not so hard.
No, the fight against hate, anti science, moral panics, desinformation is a pretty pragmatic fight mate. You are just not used to do that.
"you are the same, I hate you both". Typical confusionnist behavior. You don't understand neither the alt right nether the left, so for you its easier to hate both. When the reality is that a group is morally problematic for society while the other fight injustice..
But yeah.. Keep talking like a so called centrist, it will just take you years to understand real politic. And real value conflict.
Already did, you are just in denial. You can't talk to someone that doesn't want to see.
Already gave you evidence that this was a french militant term used specifically in politic. But again. Denial is strong with you.
Yes
Literally explained why it was wrong
and nothing about what you think in this regard is science
it's poltitical beliefs
men have no domination in society
the rich 1 percent do yes
but the rich 1 percent are not representive of a average man so not a representation of men as a whole or as a group
but you see rich 1 percent having men there so you think therefore all men are powerful cause a few men at the top are
meant to say plenty
it was a typo lol
already went on this debate and you refused to provide examples on what beliefs in particular make somebody alt right
you outright refused to define the term when we talked about it
are you purposefully being ignorant here
It's a moral fight
ultimately being hateful is a moral thing and having a opposition to it would not be factually based but rather morally based
but this hogwash anyway coming from you, you are hateful too calling those you dislike names cause you disagree about their opinons which you cant disprove eg me everytime we debate with you ending up labeling me some buzz word
alt right,confusionist or whatever cause you dont have the arguments to win cause idealogy cant win so you gotta resort to shaming
I have always hated both left and right for tribal behavior
you are just a avatar who seems to represent that sorta tribal person, I always hate on
and yes your group is the same in regards mentioned
and no amount of calling me a typical whatever changes that
stop crying, debunk the arguments or dont respond.
Shaming me with a french word nobody but you cares about does not help your argument or cretitblily
I never said
you didt prove it
I said it took you long
bad faith actors at the finest
cant argue so makes things up and shames me, what a man who fights against hate here acting totally masclious towards one guy cause he cant stand he aint filled with proganda
and nothing about what you think in this regard is science
it's poltitical beliefs
men have no domination in society
the rich 1 percent do yes
but the rich 1 percent are not representive of a average man so not a representation of men as a whole or as a group
but you see rich 1 percent having men there so you think therefore all men are powerful cause a few men at the top are
meant to say plenty
it was a typo lol
already went on this debate and you refused to provide examples on what beliefs in particular make somebody alt right
you outright refused to define the term when we talked about it
are you purposefully being ignorant here
It's a moral fight
ultimately being hateful is a moral thing and having a opposition to it would not be factually based but rather morally based
but this hogwash anyway coming from you, you are hateful too calling those you dislike names cause you disagree about their opinons which you cant disprove eg me everytime we debate with you ending up labeling me some buzz word
alt right,confusionist or whatever cause you dont have the arguments to win cause idealogy cant win so you gotta resort to shaming
I have always hated both left and right for tribal behavior
you are just a avatar who seems to represent that sorta tribal person, I always hate on
and yes your group is the same in regards mentioned
and no amount of calling me a typical whatever changes that
stop crying, debunk the arguments or dont respond.
Shaming me with a french word nobody but you cares about does not help your argument or cretitblily
I never said
you didt prove it
I said it took you long
bad faith actors at the finest
cant argue so makes things up and shames me, what a man who fights against hate here acting totally masclious towards one guy cause he cant stand he aint filled with proganda
I mean, if, with "moderately bad" you mean calling them sick fucks and disgusting as in your post below, they are in their right to fight back. But you are right, that's still considered moderate as compared to the fact that they are regularly beaten up and murdered.
Source where you "found out"? It's a lie. There is a record of pedophiles sneaking into their ranks during parades to try and normalize it but the LGBTQ community repeatedly condemned it and distanced itself from it.
Source where you "found out"? It's a lie. There is a record of pedophiles sneaking into their ranks during parades to try and normalize it but the LGBTQ community repeatedly condemned it and distanced itself from it.
It's not just trans people but all the people that do not conform to the conservative stereotype, including gay people and those identifying as queer in any shape or form. Try to walk around as a guy wearing a dress and painted fingernails. Good luck not being discriminated or straight up beaten up.
See.. again denial of science. Sociologie IS science mate. I'm sorry that you don't agree with that, hope you come to understand it one day. Denying science is just sad.
Again.. same thing, denying of research. Denial of facts.
This is why it might take you a LOT of time to come to understand that you were wrong to be that stubborn.
Dude, I gave you example in this very reply, are you blind or what ?
- Conservatism
- Deny of science
- Racism/antisemitism/LGBTQ+phobia
- Complotism
- Moral panics
Do you want something more precise to define the alt right ideas and arguementations? Okay
>>>> Ultra Conservatism:
- "Gun ownership is a right"
- "We must end immigration and not help migrant out at sea"
- "Men are biologically superior to women"
- "Traditions must be preserved at all cost"
- "Trump did nothing wrong"
....
>>>> Deny of science
- "Men are not priviledged in society"
- "There is no such thing as men oppressing women systematically"
- "We must make children learn science and creationnism"
- "Evolution is just a theory"
- "Man can't be pregnant"
- "Earth is flat"
....
>>>> Racism/Antisemitism/LGBTQ+phobia
- "Immigration is a problem"
- "Jews dominate the world"
- "Trans are mentally ill"
- "Black people make more crimes"
.....
>>>> Complotism
- "There is a deepstate that control everything"
- "Their is a great replacement in France from Muslim" (also racist)
- "Trump won the 2020 election"
- "We never went on the moon"
.....
>>>> Moral Panics
- "Trans are grooming children" (also transphobe)
- "SJW/Woke are fascist that want to end society"
- "Leftist are calling everyone who disagree fascists"
- "Video game make people agressive"
- "Woke are just commi"
- "Woke want to take our liberty down"
.....
>>>> Bonus : Sexism
- "Men are superior to women biologically"
- "Feminist are the problem"
.....
Okay.. I hope those examples will suit your hunger for facts about the alt right.
The famous : "You are hateful because you call the altright badies" Bowhooo
Come up with better arguments please.
I don't want to win against the alt right and confusionnism. I want to end them.
Debunk what argument lol ? You are not giving any.
Well.. keep not trying to understand it then.. What do you want me to say to you. You are the one that will take years to really understand the machinery of real politic, not me lol
Wuat
Again.. same thing, denying of research. Denial of facts.
This is why it might take you a LOT of time to come to understand that you were wrong to be that stubborn.
Dude, I gave you example in this very reply, are you blind or what ?
- Conservatism
- Deny of science
- Racism/antisemitism/LGBTQ+phobia
- Complotism
- Moral panics
Do you want something more precise to define the alt right ideas and arguementations? Okay
>>>> Ultra Conservatism:
- "Gun ownership is a right"
- "We must end immigration and not help migrant out at sea"
- "Men are biologically superior to women"
- "Traditions must be preserved at all cost"
- "Trump did nothing wrong"
....
>>>> Deny of science
- "Men are not priviledged in society"
- "There is no such thing as men oppressing women systematically"
- "We must make children learn science and creationnism"
- "Evolution is just a theory"
- "Man can't be pregnant"
- "Earth is flat"
....
>>>> Racism/Antisemitism/LGBTQ+phobia
- "Immigration is a problem"
- "Jews dominate the world"
- "Trans are mentally ill"
- "Black people make more crimes"
.....
>>>> Complotism
- "There is a deepstate that control everything"
- "Their is a great replacement in France from Muslim" (also racist)
- "Trump won the 2020 election"
- "We never went on the moon"
.....
>>>> Moral Panics
- "Trans are grooming children" (also transphobe)
- "SJW/Woke are fascist that want to end society"
- "Leftist are calling everyone who disagree fascists"
- "Video game make people agressive"
- "Woke are just commi"
- "Woke want to take our liberty down"
.....
>>>> Bonus : Sexism
- "Men are superior to women biologically"
- "Feminist are the problem"
.....
Okay.. I hope those examples will suit your hunger for facts about the alt right.
The famous : "You are hateful because you call the altright badies" Bowhooo
Come up with better arguments please.
I don't want to win against the alt right and confusionnism. I want to end them.
Debunk what argument lol ? You are not giving any.
Well.. keep not trying to understand it then.. What do you want me to say to you. You are the one that will take years to really understand the machinery of real politic, not me lol
Wuat