Reason why some people (I'm still on the fence, personally) refuse to accept them as the ultimate endgame villains is because they haven't had much story presence so far.
I mean, look at what Blackbeard had done:
1) Directly responsible for death of Ace
2) Caused the Marineford war which led to 1), but also to Luffy nearly dying
3) Responsible for Luffy nearly dying (Impel Down, where Luffy wouldn't have gone if Blackbeard hadn't captured Ace)
4) His crew may have killed or captured Garp
Until he attacked Sabo, Imu and the Gorosei have been more of an abstract threat. Even now, Luffy isn't personally involved with them. Sure, he knows they have to go: but that's it, they are an abstract threat. Compare that abstract threat to Blackbeard, or Akainu who physically killed Ace and very nearly killed Luffy as well.
If Luffy is to become emotionally involved in offing the Gorosei and Imu the way he is with Blackbeard and Akainu, they will need to do something very bad and do it very quickly. And I'm not sure there is time for that.
I mean, look at what Blackbeard had done:
1) Directly responsible for death of Ace
2) Caused the Marineford war which led to 1), but also to Luffy nearly dying
3) Responsible for Luffy nearly dying (Impel Down, where Luffy wouldn't have gone if Blackbeard hadn't captured Ace)
4) His crew may have killed or captured Garp
Until he attacked Sabo, Imu and the Gorosei have been more of an abstract threat. Even now, Luffy isn't personally involved with them. Sure, he knows they have to go: but that's it, they are an abstract threat. Compare that abstract threat to Blackbeard, or Akainu who physically killed Ace and very nearly killed Luffy as well.
If Luffy is to become emotionally involved in offing the Gorosei and Imu the way he is with Blackbeard and Akainu, they will need to do something very bad and do it very quickly. And I'm not sure there is time for that.
You are thinking more character based and less the very entity that the WG represents.
- They ARE the global force of control in the series.
- They ARE directly responsible for the mystery around key figures and objects in said story.
I think the thing youll have to wait for is the Void Century, since that seems to be synonymous with Imu and the WG's flashback at this point. As for ehat they represent, remember in a way, they are directly responsible for:
- Robin's capture
- Ace's death
- Now Cobra's death
- Fishmen freedom
Etc.
At this point, it may be better to see what their weapon gets used for next. It quite literally is a world ending/cataclysmic scenario too, since the sea level rises everytime it is used.
- They ARE the global force of control in the series.
- They ARE directly responsible for the mystery around key figures and objects in said story.
I think the thing youll have to wait for is the Void Century, since that seems to be synonymous with Imu and the WG's flashback at this point. As for ehat they represent, remember in a way, they are directly responsible for:
- Robin's capture
- Ace's death
- Now Cobra's death
- Fishmen freedom
Etc.
At this point, it may be better to see what their weapon gets used for next. It quite literally is a world ending/cataclysmic scenario too, since the sea level rises everytime it is used.
You’re thinking too personally. Luffy rarely gives a shit about personal revenge. If he did he would be hunting Blackbeard, but he’s not. He’s merely trying to become the pirate king.
When he was fighting Kaido he did it because Kaido took the freedom of the people of wano. When he fought Doffy it was because Doffy stole the lives of those in Dressrosa, and so forth.
Luffy fights people because they’re actively doing the one thing he hates, robbing others of their freedom. Imu is the exact opposite of that freedom. The world government beats down and enslaves people every day. They rob islands until they’re too poor to even survive. That’s the ultimate enemy for Luffy. A man who has taken the freedom from countless people throughout the world.
Luffy doesn’t have to be personally invested in Imu, Imu and Luffy are diametrically different in their values already, and those are the fights oda writes.
When he was fighting Kaido he did it because Kaido took the freedom of the people of wano. When he fought Doffy it was because Doffy stole the lives of those in Dressrosa, and so forth.
Luffy fights people because they’re actively doing the one thing he hates, robbing others of their freedom. Imu is the exact opposite of that freedom. The world government beats down and enslaves people every day. They rob islands until they’re too poor to even survive. That’s the ultimate enemy for Luffy. A man who has taken the freedom from countless people throughout the world.
Luffy doesn’t have to be personally invested in Imu, Imu and Luffy are diametrically different in their values already, and those are the fights oda writes.
As I said:
Sure, they have done everything you have noted, but Luffy hasn't had that much direct interaction with them. And this is Luffy's story... compare to say D.Gray Man where Millenium Earl interacts with the main character directly from the get-go.
Right now, I'd place the Gorosei more into position of Sauron in Lord of the Rings: yes, they are the global force in the control of the evil and are directly responsible for most of the evils in the story... BUT they have not personally carried out any of these evils, and their threat has so far been abstract with them working more through their agents. Therefore, there is no need for the main character to face them directly - take out their support structure, and they may collapse anyway. Or they may be fought in the closing chapter, after a climax of the story.
But yes, we will likely need to wait until revelations about the void century.
Yes and no.
Literally every enemy Luffy has fought, he has fought them because he was personally invested in taking them down. It is just that Luffy is a very empathetic person (especially when it comes to food) and will easily get involved into other people's problems and will do everything he can in order to help them.
If Luffy really was the way you describe him, he would be joining forces with Dragon. But he isn't: he generally doesn't think long term, and will not go after the World Government until they affect him. Whether that is him in person, or one of his friends, or just a random stranger he meets, doesn't matter: Gorosei will still have to do something to make Luffy go after them.
Of course, this might still happen.
Sure, they have done everything you have noted, but Luffy hasn't had that much direct interaction with them. And this is Luffy's story... compare to say D.Gray Man where Millenium Earl interacts with the main character directly from the get-go.
Right now, I'd place the Gorosei more into position of Sauron in Lord of the Rings: yes, they are the global force in the control of the evil and are directly responsible for most of the evils in the story... BUT they have not personally carried out any of these evils, and their threat has so far been abstract with them working more through their agents. Therefore, there is no need for the main character to face them directly - take out their support structure, and they may collapse anyway. Or they may be fought in the closing chapter, after a climax of the story.
But yes, we will likely need to wait until revelations about the void century.
Yes and no.
Literally every enemy Luffy has fought, he has fought them because he was personally invested in taking them down. It is just that Luffy is a very empathetic person (especially when it comes to food) and will easily get involved into other people's problems and will do everything he can in order to help them.
If Luffy really was the way you describe him, he would be joining forces with Dragon. But he isn't: he generally doesn't think long term, and will not go after the World Government until they affect him. Whether that is him in person, or one of his friends, or just a random stranger he meets, doesn't matter: Gorosei will still have to do something to make Luffy go after them.
Of course, this might still happen.
Luffy doesn’t think big, cause he doesn’t have to. He’s focused on becoming the pirate king. All he wants is to do that. Sure on those journeys he’ll protect people he likes that he sees are in danger, but he’s not sacrificing his journey for it so he’d never join dragon.
Imu already did something that would piss off luffy despite Luffy not even knowing Imu exists, he killed Cobra and is hunting Vivi, someone luffy considers a nakama. But again, that’s not what the fights going to be about.
Imu already did something that would piss off luffy despite Luffy not even knowing Imu exists, he killed Cobra and is hunting Vivi, someone luffy considers a nakama. But again, that’s not what the fights going to be about.