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Wasn’t this one of the primary scenes you guys referenced to argue that Oden was stronger than Marco and low top tier? Lol

I swear I remember everyone and their mother being like “Whitebeard was weary of Oden, Oden > Marco!!” Even when Marco was ranked the first division commander when there was no reason to give him that spot over Oden aside from strength, Yonko fans clung to Oden > Marco lol.

Now all of the sudden Luffy shitting himself over Kizaru’s power is not a big deal, lol. The same Luffy who never once shat himself over Celestial Dragon Shanks or Big Job or Kaido’s power immediately bugs out as soon as an Admiral sets foot on the same island as him. Hell even Luffy in Wano stopped partying and was prepared to jump Ryokugyu with his strongest fighters lol.

This is big Admiral hype no matter how you stretch it. Sure it’s not outright confirmation that Kizaru > Luffy, we can look at Luffy believing he needs a hostage to escape the Marines before even realizing Kizaru was present if we wanted to argue that point lol.
Well, I personally never used that as an argument. It wouldn't even make sense to begin with, since Marco was a kid at that point in time.

I am not denying that Luffy's reaction is a testament of Kizaru's power and threat-level, it's just that Luffy wasn't concerned for himself. Obviously, a top tier appearing out of nowhere and posing a threat to everyone around, including his crew, is something that would concern Luffy, just as Shanks was concerned seeing how Kidd was about to annihilate those fodder captains he held concern for and just as Whitebeard was concerned about a strong enemy approaching his crew.

But Luffy already proved that he isn't concerned for himself. He faced 3 admirals at once pre TS, he attacked Fujitora when he had but basic Haki and even after being sent flying by Fujitora's raging tiger, wanted to go on with the fight. When Ryokugyu assaulted Momo and the Retainers, Luffy was watching the fight with amusement, while Yamato stated that they should call Luffy and the others, as they are better than Ryokugyu.

There is absolutely no basis for thinking Luffy is concerned for his own well being. Lol.
 

Elder Lee Hung

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He faced 3 admirals at once pre TS, he attacked Fujitora when he had but basic Haki
Wouldn’t that be the exact reason that Luffy would be ignorant of what it means to face an Admiral? That he was ignorant of how powerful they are because his Haki was basic, but now that he has advanced Haki, he was shitting himself over Kizaru?

Luffy was never amused at Ryokugyu, Oda only showed us Luffy after Ryokugyu left Wano. What amused Luffy was the familiar sense that he got from Celestial Dragon Shanks’ Haki. But the fact that Luffy stopped partying and gathered all of his strongest fighters to jump Ryokugyu showed us exactly how seriously he took Aramaki. Luffy never once thought he needed all his strongest fighters to jump Kaido lol.

Also Yamato confirmed that Celestial Dragon Shanks saved Wano, doesn’t sound like she actually thought Luffy could take Ryokugyu lol.
 
Well, I personally never used that as an argument. It wouldn't even make sense to begin with, since Marco was a kid at that point in time.

I am not denying that Luffy's reaction is a testament of Kizaru's power and threat-level, it's just that Luffy wasn't concerned for himself. Obviously, a top tier appearing out of nowhere and posing a threat to everyone around, including his crew, is something that would concern Luffy, just as Shanks was concerned seeing how Kidd was about to annihilate those fodder captains he held concern for and just as Whitebeard was concerned about a strong enemy approaching his crew.

But Luffy already proved that he isn't concerned for himself. He faced 3 admirals at once pre TS, he attacked Fujitora when he had but basic Haki and even after being sent flying by Fujitora's raging tiger, wanted to go on with the fight. When Ryokugyu assaulted Momo and the Retainers, Luffy was watching the fight with amusement, while Yamato stated that they should call Luffy and the others, as they are better than Ryokugyu.

There is absolutely no basis for thinking Luffy is concerned for his own well being. Lol.
Dunno why people are already damage controlling so hard when nothing even happened yet, we haven't even seen the panel.
Even if, at this point Luffy is not supposed to be scared by anyone.
 
Wouldn’t that be the exact reason that Luffy would be ignorant of what it means to face an Admiral? That he was ignorant of how powerful they are because his Haki was basic, but now that he has advanced Haki, he was shitting himself over Kizaru?

Luffy was never amused at Ryokugyu, Oda only showed us Luffy after Ryokugyu left Wano. What amused Luffy was the familiar sense that he got from Celestial Dragon Shanks’ Haki. But the fact that Luffy stopped partying and gathered all of his strongest fighters to jump Ryokugyu showed us exactly how seriously he took Aramaki. Luffy never once thought he needed all his strongest fighters to jump Kaido lol.
Luffy gathered the strongest members of the worst generation to fight kaido lol.
I doubt anyone in OP would be as menacing as Kaido was.
 
Wouldn’t that be the exact reason that Luffy would be ignorant of what it means to face an Admiral? That he was ignorant of how powerful they are because his Haki was basic, but now that he has advanced Haki, he was shitting himself over Kizaru?

Luffy was never amused at Ryokugyu, Oda only showed us Luffy after Ryokugyu left Wano. What amused Luffy was the familiar sense that he got from Celestial Dragon Shanks’ Haki. But the fact that Luffy stopped partying and gathered all of his strongest fighters to jump Ryokugyu showed us exactly how seriously he took Aramaki. Luffy never once thought he needed all his strongest fighters to jump Kaido lol.
That is some mental gymnastics right there. Trying to make admirals stronger than they are. One can comment that someone is strong without shitting their pants ore fearing them. Doffy said about Sanji that he was strong while he stopped his attacks and still wounded him without problems. This is the same her. Luffy can state that someone strong arrived on the island without fearing him.
As for Greenbull, Luffy didn’t gather his strongest fighters. His strongest fighters noticed something was happening and were watching with him.
 
Wouldn’t that be the exact reason that Luffy would be ignorant of what it means to face an Admiral? That he was ignorant of how powerful they are because his Haki was basic, but now that he has advanced Haki, he was shitting himself over Kizaru?

Luffy was never amused at Ryokugyu, Oda only showed us Luffy after Ryokugyu left Wano. What amused Luffy was the familiar sense that he got from Celestial Dragon Shanks’ Haki. But the fact that Luffy stopped partying and gathered all of his strongest fighters to jump Ryokugyu showed us exactly how seriously he took Aramaki. Luffy never once thought he needed all his strongest fighters to jump Kaido lol.
You don't need to advanced Haki to recognize that Admirals and Yonko are a threat. People just misinterpret Luffy's reaction due to agenda.
Dunno why people are already damage controlling so hard when nothing even happened yet, we haven't even seen the panel.
Even if, at this point Luffy is not supposed to be scared by anyone.
Yes, obviously. The power to feel no doubt is true strength, as Rayleigh phrased it. Top tiers ain't scared of no one, at most they are concerned for the weak around them.
 
Got to place Lucci higher now otherwise Kizaru looks bad, not subtle at all:myman:
I always put him Low Top Tier. And anything else was hella dumb to begin with.

People really forgot what a monster Gear 5 is? Lucci basically was able to push Luffy to that form, somewhat keep up with him and even clash him equally resulting in both flying away.
 
When Ryokugyu assaulted Momo and the Retainers, Luffy was watching the fight with amusement, while Yamato stated that they should call Luffy and the others, as they are better than Ryokugyu.
He was not watching the fight with amusement.
He watched him LEAVE with amusement.
You dont know how tense he was when he initially sensed him/watched the fight before Shanks intervened.
The fact that Shanks felt the need to step in speaks volumes about the threat lvl Aramaki represented.
As for Yamato well yea you'd hope that Luffy+his whole crew can get the better of Aramaki alone lol.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
You don't need to advanced Haki to recognize that Admirals and Yonko are a threat. People just misinterpret Luffy's reaction due to agenda
But advanced Haki will give you a better idea of someone’s power than basic Haki, no? Lol

You may as well argue Inuarashi > Whitebeard since Luffy was unable to sense how powerful Whitebeard was but called Inuarashi strong.
 
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