Chapter Discussion Translations based on the Japanese text

#41
I didn’t see the determination thing as kizaru not listening to Saturn’s orders like many people thought
If was simply a suggestion
Tho I like kizaru’s line abt not running away and betraying determined soldiers
If it was the old kizaru which I thought he was , kiz would have straight up ignored sentomaru and trolled him
Im liking Kizaru getting much needed characterization.
 
#42
Who would've thought Kizaru and Sentomaru would fight after Shaboady? But here we are.

Kiz had a good response in contrast to how the Saturn thinks of humans. These gorosei and imu are straight up evil, just like how Sabo depicted them.

I still don't like Luffy's reaction. It's pathetic. Ptsd my ass. I still think that is an oversell by Oda because Kizaru is getting defeated at Egghead. Extreme diff maybe, but he is going down.
 
#43
Don't really care much about it, it's an issue between Yonko and Admiral fandoms and I don't have a side in this though lately the Admiral fans are seemingly more irritating and retarded.

Kizaru is an Admiral so he is very powerful, Luffy is shocked that someone that strong is on/has arrived on the island. It is the ending of a chapter so the shock effect is enhanced by the author.

Saying things like Luffy/Yonko would mid diff Kizaru is just as retarded as saying Kizaru would solo everyone on Egghead or the SHPs.
 
#46
Now that the Japanese RAWs are available, here's translations of a few sentences which more accurately reflects what was said compared to the very early scan we got last week. Thanks to sandman for the translation and clarifications.

Saturn to Kizaru

Saturn: "The Frontier Dome has a 'laser' interception system, right? And you are 'light'...can you get in?"

Kizaru: "Honestly I could, but my friend is protecting Vegapunk down below."

Saturn: "You can easily bypass him."

Kizaru: "If I ignore the determination of the man who stands in my way, I will lose face. Let me at least be reasonable." *

* Translation by sandman. Kizaru wants to fight Sentomaru because he thinks that's what someone who has strong determination and resolve deserves, "running away from the fight" wouldn't be cool in Kizaru's opinion.

Luffy at the end

"Someone's arrived! Someone strong!". He doesn't say "very strong". You can decide if that matters or not


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I like Kizaru's response here, makes it seem like he really respects Sentomaru and wants to show him respect by fighting him, although this does make him less ''defiant'' over Saturn which the older translation led us to believe.

Thoughts lads?
The compliment doesn't matter, we've seen Sengoku call Hancock a very strong woman and say Whitebeard could possibly win against them in Marineford.
These are statements used for hype and portrayal, we've seen em before, and if you use this to put Kizaru over Kaidou then be fair and put Whitebeard over the entire Navy and Warlords as well lol
 
#47
The guy is perma stoned.
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The compliment doesn't matter, we've seen Sengoku call Hancock a very strong woman and say Whitebeard could possibly win against them in Marineford.
These are statements used for hype and portrayal, we've seen em before, and if you use this to put Kizaru over Kaidou then be fair and put Whitebeard over the entire Navy and Warlords as well lol
Destroyed
 
#50
Plan b let’s go with expression scaling right admiral bros
Obviously, the man who mauled Kaido is scared shitless and shaking after he sensed Kizaru’s presence

Haven’t you guys been unfairly using Blackbeard’s expression against S-Hawk, even when it had nothing to do with actual powerlevels unlike this case, and Teach simply was startled by the existence of Lunarian human weapons?
:laughmoji:
 
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#56
Obviously, the man who mauled Kaido is scared shitless and shaking after he sensed Kizaru’s presence

Haven’t you guys been unfairly using Blackbeard’s expression against S-Hawk, even when it had nothing to do with actual powerlevels unlike this case, and Teach simply was startled by the existence of Lunarian human weapons?
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By this logic Kizaru was pissing himself when Apoo blew him up and Beckman held him up, lol.
Sengoku pissed himself when Whitebeard arrived and said he had a chance to solo their entire collective force of Marines and Warlords.
Kuzan was scared of Garp.. Fujitora scared of Sabo.. Etc.
See to it that I really love the Admirals, so I don't believe what I'm saying, but y'all see my point right?
Saying Luffy is scared and Kizaru is above the Yonko because of it is really fucking dumb and it can backfire hard on you if we used the same logic for the Admirals and hyper analyzed everything they say and do.
Besides, Kizaru has to be defeated here anyway, so those arguments wouldn't hold up anyway.
 
#58
By this logic Kizaru was pissing himself when Apoo blew him up and Beckman held him up, lol.
Sengoku pissed himself when Whitebeard arrived and said he had a chance to solo their entire collective force of Marines and Warlords.
Kuzan was scared of Garp.. Fujitora scared of Sabo.. Etc.
See to it that I really love the Admirals, so I don't believe what I'm saying, but y'all see my point right?
Saying Luffy is scared and Kizaru is above the Yonko because of it is really fucking dumb and it can backfire hard on you if we used the same logic for the Admirals and hyper analyzed everything they say and do.
Besides, Kizaru has to be defeated here anyway, so those arguments wouldn't hold up anyway.
I mean, yeah but anybody that isn't of bad faith can recognize this scene is supposed to be quite hype for Kizaru. Especially with it being a cliffhanger and all. This is the first time Luffy reacts this way from feeling one's power. Carefree, happy-go-lucky MC is shivering .
Does this mean Kizaru is the top 1, more powerful than any character Luffy faced til now? Not really, as the shock/surprise factor plays a huge part in the reaction, and maybe he instictively feels worried for his crewmates.

Personally, I find funny that guys like Bougya Man are pretending the scene means nothing while also making dozens of thread about the panel (totally not showing off how insecure it made him lmao).
There wouldn't be as much as trolling from the admiral side (at least from me) if people just gave Kizaru his credit.

L.D.A's "translations" :milaugh::milaugh::milaugh:
Thought it was from sandman?
 
#59
I mean, yeah but anybody that isn't of bad faith can recognize this scene is supposed to be quite hype for Kizaru. Especially with it being a cliffhanger and all. This is the first time Luffy reacts this way from feeling one's power. Carefree, happy-go-lucky MC is shivering .
Does this mean Kizaru is the top 1, more powerful than any character Luffy faced til now? Not really, as the shock/surprise factor plays a huge part in the reaction, and maybe he instictively feels worried for his crewmates.
I find funny that guys like Bougya Man are pretending the scene means nothing while also making dozens of thread about the scene (totally not showing off how insecure it made him lmao).
There wouldn't be as much as trolling from the admiral side (at least from me) if people just gave Kizaru his credit.
Rootbeer is a goon and a troll who literally unironically thinks Zoro doesn't have ACoC but Sanji does, along with all the retarded Kizaru downplay.
I wonder if he's pull a JNoodle and delete/deactivate his account and start saying the same shit on an alt, once we see Kizaru clash with Luffy and push him to high diff, among other things.
 
#60
Also Kizaru isn't being sadistic with Sentoumaru, what the hell? The opposite, he's respecting his determination to protect Vegapunk and not making light (lol) of it.
Flying straight to the dome to attack Vegapunk, while Ignoring Sentoumaru like Saturn suggested and instead having him getting ganged by bunch of vice admirals/marine fodders would have been the ultime disrespect.

Crocodile refusing to give a fight to Alabasta Royal Guards (who drank a lethal potion for the sole purpose of defeating him) was portrayed as something very wicked :
 
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