Chapter Discussion Translations based on the Japanese text

[Reborn]

Oh, i want to make sure i beat up my friend out of respect.. No matter how you twist it that's messed up..

I don't know how old are you but definitely you don't understand what giving respect means


Senta is standing his ground against kiz despite knowing he is no match against kiz. He is showing courage and determination to stand for what he feels is right - that is to protect VP...To stand for his beliefs and duty.


If kiz Bypass him and simply move forward then he is disrespecting senta honour more so when they are friends. It's like kiz saying "you don't worth my time" which is ultimate disrespect towards his own friend.


So, he decided to fight with senta out of respect.

It's like how luffy went all out against Usopp despite knowing he will definitely win - it was out of respect towards usopp.





And, I don't understand why people are repeatedly bringing useless argument that " kizaru hype doesn't mean anything because he will lose to luffy"...

Since when we started using such line of arguments? We all know luffy will win.. it's the case since the beginning - I haven't seen people using such arguments when luffy was fighting kaido...so bringing such arguments now only equates to insecurity some people are facing due to admiral hype

 

[Rootbeer]

So, he decided to fight with senta out of respect.

That's what i said..

It's like how luffy went all out against Usopp despite knowing he will definitely win - it was out of respect towards usopp.

Luffy didn't go beat up Usopp on the pretense of moral high ground.. Kizaru is acting like he will do his friend a favor by
beating the shit of of him.. Ok..

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

You didn't get it.

The purpose of saying it's "only strong" and not very strong is to de-hype admirals because Luffy also called kiku strong...

So, my point was it's yonkou luffy with serious expression - purpose is to hype kiz

They can’t change Luffy expression and Oda hyping up Kizaru’s powerful aura as a cliffhanger so they have to resort to some weird word scaling (which is especially retarded considering you get like 5 different translations about the same line) lmao
Yet..
YC3/YC2 Luffy called Katakuri « 強ェ» (Japanese for strong/powerful)

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And we know what happened : Extreme diff with Luffy needing to power up mid fight.
Emperor Luffy :

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100% confirmed Luffy vs Kizaru will be the Luffy vs Katakuri of Egghead

 

[Rootbeer]

They can’t change Luffy expression and Oda hyping up Kizaru’s powerful aura as a cliffhanger so they have to resort to some weird word scaling (which is especially retarded considering you get like 5 different translations about the same line) lmao
Yet..
YC3/YC2 Luffy called Katakuri « 強ェ» (Japanese for strong/powerful)

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And we know what happened : Extreme diff with Luffy needing to power up mid fight.
Emperor Luffy :

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100% confirmed Luffy vs Kizaru will be the Luffy vs Katakuri of Egghead

No tsuyoi is only strong, not powerful..

And Luffy called Kyros strong..

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

No tsuyoi is only strong, not powerful..

And Luffy called Kyros strong..

Your japanese is dogshit bro, tsuyoi can mean strong/powerful/mighty/tough on the context. If you weren’t a fraud relying on google translate you would know it.

 

[Fujishiro]

That was always how I read the raws lol

Fact of the matter is Kizaru still disobeys him.

But like you made an entire thread shitting on Saturn because of their interraction lmao.

 

[Rootbeer]

Your japanese is dogshit bro, tsuyoi can mean strong/powerful/mighty/tough on the context. If you weren’t a fraud relying on google translate you would know it.

I don't know which garbage website you're going but Tsuyoi only translate to Strong.. So keep coping Admiral Fanboy..

 

[Malio]

''He lost on purpose because he recognised Sun God Nika's prophecy that he had been waiting for all his life''

"He realised the Supremacy that sun god had over his devil fruit, so he couldn't use his full powers."

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

"He realised the Supremacy that sun god had over his devil fruit, so he couldn't use his full powers."

"Sun god>light fruit"

Oh, i want to make sure i beat up my friend out of respect.. No matter how you twist it that's messed up..

Yes, Kizaru is messed up and so is the whole world government

100% confirmed Luffy vs Kizaru will be the Luffy vs Katakuri of Egghead

Yes, we know it's too early for Zoro to fight an admiral

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

But like you made an entire thread shitting on Saturn because of their interraction lmao.

I made a thread explaining how Admiral haters’ perceptions of the Gorosei differed from reality, lmfao.

The only thing this translation does differently than the fan trans is that this translation makes Saturn seem more authoritative, but otherwise Saturn still seems fairly incompetent in a military sense compared to Kizaru.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

@Rootbeer thinks we forgot his threads from a few days ago about how the japanese version was totally confirming that Luffy was not reacting to Kizaru's strenght but to Kizaru's dangerous attack (because in his mind this somehow was not hyping Kizaru) lmao

Here's your theme song, bougya man

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[Fujishiro]

I made a thread explaining how Admiral haters’ perceptions of the Gorosei differed from reality, lmfao.

The only thing this translation does differently than the fan trans is that this translation makes Saturn seem more authoritative, but otherwise Saturn still seems fairly incompetent in a military sense compared to Kizaru.

I thought the way Kizaru answer his light question made it seem like Saturn what he was talking about and Kizaru was agreeing with him, atleast in this current translation:

Saturn: "The Frontier Dome has a 'laser' interception system, right? And you are 'light'...can you get in?"

Kizaru: "Honestly I could, but my friend is protecting Vegapunk down below."

Saturn: "You can easily bypass him."

Kizaru: "If I ignore the determination of the man who stands in my way, I will lose face. Let me at least be reasonable." *

Basically nothing here has shown military incompetence from Saturn, au contraire. Do you disagree?

 

[Rootbeer]

@Rootbeer thinks we forgot his threads from a few days ago about how the japanese version was totally confirming that Luffy was not reacting to Kizaru's strenght but to Kizaru's dangerous attack (because in his mind this somehow was not hyping Kizaru) lmao

Here's your theme song, bougya man

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No that was speculation before i had seen the raws.. Lame shot..

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

I thought the way Kizaru answer his light question made it seem like Saturn what he was talking about and Kizaru was agreeing with him, atleast in this current translation:


Basically nothing here has shown military incompetence from Saturn, au contraire. Do you disagree?

If Kizaru followed Saturn advice/order (whatever) to ignore Sentoumaru, Sentoumaru would have full control of the pacifista & sea beasts until someone finally took him down.
Mind you, Sentoumaru still called the pacifista & sea beasts but if he's gone he won't be able to guide them in the battle.
Even without Kizaru wanting to respect Sentoumaru's determination, te best strategy was to take Sentoumaru first, no matter how you look at it.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I thought the way Kizaru answer his light question made it seem like Saturn what he was talking about and Kizaru was agreeing with him, atleast in this current translation:


Basically nothing here has shown military incompetence from Saturn, au contraire. Do you disagree?

The point is that Saturn didn’t understand that Sentomaru was waiting to order the Pacifista to attack the Marines while Kizaru did. And these new Pacifista models are way more powerful than all the earlier models. This was the main threat posed to the Marine forces and Saturn was completely oblivious to it. The excerpt you posted doesn’t change that.

Saturn also didn’t know that Lucci was feeding Intel straight to Kizaru from the inside, again portraying Saturn as lackluster when it comes to military knowledge, because Saturn’s plan was basically just to charge in blindly while Kizaru not only knew this wouldn’t work, but was already working with Lucci to come up with he best battle plan.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I thought the way Kizaru answer his light question made it seem like Saturn what he was talking about and Kizaru was agreeing with him, atleast in this current translation:


Basically nothing here has shown military incompetence from Saturn, au contraire. Do you disagree?

Honestly just shows Saturns willing to send fodders to deal with Pacifistas and beasts to ensure the admiral completes the priority mission without delay, basically Saturns willing to sacrifice pawns to win a game which very fitting of a CD

 

[Fujishiro]

The point is that Saturn didn’t understand that Sentomaru was waiting to order the Pacifista to attack the Marines while Kizaru did. And these new Pacifista models are way more powerful than all the earlier models. This was the main threat posed to the Marine forces and Saturn was completely oblivious to it. The excerpt you posted doesn’t change that.

Saturn also didn’t know that Lucci was feeding Intel straight to Kizaru from the inside, again portraying Saturn as lackluster when it comes to military knowledge, because Saturn’s plan was basically just to charge in blindly while Kizaru not only knew this wouldn’t work, but was already working with Lucci to come up with he best battle plan.

Sentomaru did just that though once Kizaru started the attack, he didnt change his means of attack to avoid that outcome.

This is fine to me, Kizaru is a military commander whereas Saturn isnt. I wouldnt say this makes him a bumbling buffoon like you tried to portray him as.

I mean, yeah but anybody that isn't of bad faith can recognize this scene is supposed to be quite hype for Kizaru. Especially with it being a cliffhanger and all. This is the first time Luffy reacts this way from feeling one's power. Carefree, happy-go-lucky MC is shivering .
Does this mean Kizaru is the top 1, more powerful than any character Luffy faced til now? Not really, as the shock/surprise factor plays a huge part in the reaction, and maybe he instictively feels worried for his crewmates.

Personally, I find funny that guys like Bougya Man are pretending the scene means nothing while also making dozens of thread about the panel (totally not showing off how insecure it made him lmao).
There wouldn't be as much as trolling from the admiral side (at least from me) if people just gave Kizaru his credit.


Thought it was from sandman?

I think Luffy isnt afraid or worried about himself but moreso about his crew and the vegas he swore to protect, this isnt like the raid on Onigashima where everyone was battle ready and Luffy could count on others to protect his weaker crewmates while he went and fought Kaido whereas here a strong guy appears suddenly hence the reaction. Because since the start of this manga no matter how much stronger an enemy is then Luffy the latter has never ever shown fear for himself.

This is still Kizaru hype for me though because that means Luffy considers Kizaru to be a threat meaning he will have his hands full with him and Kizaru can hurt his crew easily.

Thoughts?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Sentomaru did just that though once Kizaru started the attack, he didnt change his means of attack to avoid that outcome.

And if Kizaru would have left Sentomaru alone, he would have caused much more trouble and casualties for the Marines because Pacifista when being lead by commanders who can prioritize their targets and issue tactical commands are much more dangerous that Pacifista simply running around and attacking blindly. We almost always see Pacifista being issued specific orders by the Marines because this is when they are truly dangerous. Maybe Kingdom is diluting my mind with military knowledge that Lolda is just unaware of but that’s always how I’ve seen the Pacifista.

This is fine to me, Kizaru is a military commander whereas Saturn isnt. I wouldnt say this makes him a bumbling buffoon like you tried to portray him as.

My threads are always hyperbolic to hammer a certain point home lol. I would definitely not describe one of the five leaders of the WG as incompetent (at least not by the logic of his own series anyway), but it can’t be denied that Saturn either simply didn’t realize or simply didn’t care about the threat posed to the Marines by Sentomaru while Kizaru did. Kizaru was also working with Lucci to obtain Intel which is step 1 of any battle but Saturn was oblivious to this.

EDIT: looking back, Saturn did care about Marine casualties but simply didn’t understand the situation as confirmed by his reaction to Kizaru telling him this.

 

[Fujishiro]

And if Kizaru would have left Sentomaru alone, he would have caused much more trouble and casualties for the Marines because Pacifista when being lead by commanders who can prioritize their targets and issue tactical commands are much more dangerous that Pacifista simply running around and attacking blindly. We almost always see Pacifista being issued specific orders by the Marines because this is when they are truly dangerous. Maybe Kingdom is diluting my mind with military knowledge that Lolda is just unaware of but that’s always how I’ve seen the Pacifista.



My threads are always hyperbolic to hammer a certain point home lol. I would definitely not describe one of the five leaders of the WG as incompetent (at least not by the logic of his own series anyway), but it can’t be denied that Saturn either simply didn’t realize or simply didn’t care about the threat posed to the Marines by Sentomaru while Kizaru did. Kizaru was also working with Lucci to obtain Intel which is step 1 of any battle but Saturn was oblivious to this.

Im not disagreeing with you, any commander knows that taking the head of the enemy commander is key to disrupting the opposing army's cohesion yeah. But in this case Sentomaru doesnt need specific orders he can just say attack the fleet. This term would encompass all enemies there.

Yeah I know and I think Saturn doesnt care much about loss of life, check this panel out:

He doesnt value human life highly, he compared direct subbordinates to him to insects. I dont think he would give a fuck about sending them to the meatgrinder against Sento to achieve his goal whereas Kizaru obviously minds and choose the less destructive approach.

Btw thoughts on what I wrote about Luffy?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

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yes?