Controversial General Political Discussion

[notAfanboy]

Hey guys, have Tejas convinced you that Islam is bad?

He is acting like a tout. If you have ever been to India or watched YT vlogs, you would know how persistent they are.

Please listen to him, guys. Hinduism is good; they are friendly to Jews. They support Israel.
He hates the Abrahamic religions but loves Judaism. Reason? Please give wrong answers only. Anyway, don't mind.

A thread on the Hindu caste system with direct verses from Bhagavad Gita:

“O Arjuna, the activities of the brahmanas, kastriyas , vaisyas and sudras are clearly divided according to the qualities born of their own nature.” (Bhagavad Gita 18:41)



And about the links he shared, they are out of context. The verses are about on-going wars. What you fail to understand that Quran was revealed according to the situation, it took 23 years to be completed!

For better understanding:

“…And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.” [Quran, 5:2]

Here the Quran tells us to focus on cooperating with others on the path of righteousness and piety – in whatever we do in life. This means that we must continue to uphold the morals of compassion and goodness above all else.

Followers of Islam are not allowed to force their religious beliefs upon their enemies or anyone for that matter.
[2/ 256] “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.”

 

[Tejas]

Hey guys, have Tejas convinced you that Islam is bad?

He is acting like a tout. If you have ever been to India or watched YT vlogs, you would know how persistent they are.

Please listen to him, guys. Hinduism is good; they are friendly to Jews. They support Israel.
He hates the Abrahamic religions but loves Judaism. Reason? Please give wrong answers only. Anyway, don't mind.

A thread on the Hindu caste system with direct verses from Bhagavad Gita:

“O Arjuna, the activities of the brahmanas, kastriyas , vaisyas and sudras are clearly divided according to the qualities born of their own nature.” (Bhagavad Gita 18:41)



And about the links he shared, they are out of context. The verses are about on-going wars. What you fail to understand that Quran was revealed according to the situation, it took 23 years to be completed!

For better understanding:

“…And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.” [Quran, 5:2]

Here the Quran tells us to focus on cooperating with others on the path of righteousness and piety – in whatever we do in life. This means that we must continue to uphold the morals of compassion and goodness above all else.

Followers of Islam are not allowed to force their religious beliefs upon their enemies or anyone for that matter.
[2/ 256] “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.”

Logical fallacy there.
Varna is not by birth. Those are by Occupation

Brahmanas are those who work for wisdom and betterment of everything that exists.

Kshatriyas are those who are in Martial and Political jibs

Vysya are those who are doing business and trade

Sudras are service prividers ranging from Doctors to farmers

But all of these can inter marry

But I have yet to see a Syed marrying a Pasmanda

 

[AL sama]

Let's not assume anything. Muslim are not bad guys, Jews are not bad guys, Hindous are not bad guys.

Those who are problematic are those who use their power to strip populations from their agency, and those are everywhere, even beyond just religion.

Always follow where the power is and who uses it for bad.

I m not asking for an opinion mate

my point is tajas is saying islam is bad so lets assume so bit what's next??

is tajas gonna gain something from this??

will this change anything??

 

[Tejas]

I m not asking for an opinion mate

my point is tajas is saying islam is bad so lets assume so bit what's next??

is tajas gonna gain something from this??

will this change anything??

No. I am not saying Islam is bad. I am just against that distorted version that is continuously being popularized in thousands of Indian Madrasas creating terrorists.
The sad thing is that no Muslim will ever condemn that for the fear of being labelled a Blasphemer.

Hence steps should be taken to ensure the safety of Apostates and Ex-Muslims who are under constant hunt for their lives.

The change that must come is that people must be allowed to live in peace in spite of what they believe or don't believe unless they are causing harm to others

 

[AL sama]

No. I am not saying Islam is bad. I am just against that distorted version that is continuously being popularized in thousands of Indian Madrasas creating terrorists.
The sad thing is that no Muslim will ever condemn that for the fear of being labelled a Blasphemer

yeah ok lets assume whatever you're saying is universal fact but what's next??

 

[Tejas]

yeah ok lets assume whatever you're saying is universal fact but what's next??

Read the next part of my previous post.

I will give more context.

For Starters, Muslims must raise their Voice for Abolition of Waqf Act and Places of Worship Act and condemn practices like Land Jihad and Love Jihad funded and organized by Radical elements.

Also taking a stand against mocking other religious practices is a huge welcome step.

 

[notAfanboy]

Logical fallacy there.
Varna is not by birth. Those are by Occupation

Brahmanas are those who work for wisdom and betterment of everything that exists.

Kshatriyas are those who are in Martial and Political jibs

Vysya are those who are doing business and trade

Sudras are service prividers ranging from Doctors to farmers

But all of these can inter marry

But I have yet to see a Syed marrying a Pasmanda

Inter marry... but the state had to make a law for this.

A logical fallacy in your own religious book?

What the fuck is Pasmanda? Are you a schizo? I have already explained this. I don't even know this term. Does it exist in India only?

I have given you verses from Quran about Syed, arab, non arab, black, white, and lover marriage. Cant you read?

Below are 6 examples of when the Prophet and his family allowed a Sayyida to marry a non-Sayyid:


1. Zainab, the cousin of the Prophet, who was from Bani Hashim and the granddaughter of Abdul Muttalib, married Zaid, who was a slave adopted by the Prophet. This is an early example of a non-Sayyid marrying a Sayyida under the watch of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) although it did later end in divorce.

2. Another example is the marriage of Dhuba’ah, cousin of the Prophet and granddaughter of Abdul Muttalib, with the famous companion Miqdad ibn Amr who was from Yemen. Miqdad is known as one of the most loyal companions of the Prophet who remained steadfast with Imam Ali (as) until his martyrdom.

3. Also, we have Umama, the daughter of the Prophet’s uncle Hamza; who married Salama bin Abi Salama who was not from Bani Hashim.

4. Um Hassan, the daughter of Imam Ali (as) was married to Ju’da bin Hubayr Al-Makhzuni who was not from Bani Hashim.

5. Ramla, another daughter of Imam Ali (as) was married to Sult Al-Nawfali who was not from Bani Hashim.

6. Fatima Al-Sughra, also a daughter of Imam Ali (as) was married to Saeed Al-Asadi who was not from Bani Hashim.





Even in Quran, it says that you can marry. But for those who don't follow, Allah says:

Summum bukmun ‘umyun fahum laa yarji’oon (2:18).
Deaf, dumb and blind – so they will not return [to the right path].

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

yeah ok lets assume whatever you're saying is universal fact but what's next??

he will repeat the same thing again and again and then he will post another tweet with radical memes and then he will post another graphic video and then he will get banned

 

[Logiko]

I m not asking for an opinion mate

my point is tajas is saying islam is bad so lets assume so bit what's next??

is tajas gonna gain something from this??

will this change anything??

I understand

 

[Tejas]

Inter marry... but the state had to make a law for this.

A logical fallacy in your own religious book?

What the fuck is Pasmanda? Are you a schizo? I have already explained this. I don't even know this term. Does it exist in India only?

I have given you verses from Quran about Syed, arab, non arab, black, white, and lover marriage. Cant you read?

Below are 6 examples of when the Prophet and his family allowed a Sayyida to marry a non-Sayyid:


1. Zainab, the cousin of the Prophet, who was from Bani Hashim and the granddaughter of Abdul Muttalib, married Zaid, who was a slave adopted by the Prophet. This is an early example of a non-Sayyid marrying a Sayyida under the watch of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) although it did later end in divorce.

2. Another example is the marriage of Dhuba’ah, cousin of the Prophet and granddaughter of Abdul Muttalib, with the famous companion Miqdad ibn Amr who was from Yemen. Miqdad is known as one of the most loyal companions of the Prophet who remained steadfast with Imam Ali (as) until his martyrdom.

3. Also, we have Umama, the daughter of the Prophet’s uncle Hamza; who married Salama bin Abi Salama who was not from Bani Hashim.

4. Um Hassan, the daughter of Imam Ali (as) was married to Ju’da bin Hubayr Al-Makhzuni who was not from Bani Hashim.

5. Ramla, another daughter of Imam Ali (as) was married to Sult Al-Nawfali who was not from Bani Hashim.

6. Fatima Al-Sughra, also a daughter of Imam Ali (as) was married to Saeed Al-Asadi who was not from Bani Hashim.





Even in Quran, it says that you can marry. But for those who don't follow, Allah says:

Summum bukmun ‘umyun fahum laa yarji’oon (2:18).
Deaf, dumb and blind – so they will not return [to the right path].

No
Even before the Constitution, there were numerous examples proving you wrong.

In Mahabharata, Bhishma was son of A King and a Fisherwoman and is treated in great respect even by Krishna.

In Siva Purana, Shiva himself comes down and completes the agricultural labor work of a Devotee, Namdanar though he was a Sudra and made him into one of his principal priests.


Shiva's Son himself married a Tribal woman

 

[AL sama]

Read the next part of my previous post.

I will give more context.

For Starters, Muslims must raise their Voice for Abolition of Waqf Act and Places of Worship Act and condemn practices like Land Jihad and Love Jihad funded and organized by Radical elements.

Also taking a stand against mocking other religious practices is a huge welcome step.

you edit your posts too much but ok

so will posting these here change anything??

will you gain anything from trying to convince us??

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Deaf, dumb and blind – so they will not return [to the right path].

Is Islam against disabilities?

 

[notAfanboy]

he will repeat the same thing again and again and then he will post another tweet with radical memes and then he will post another graphic video and then he will get banned

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Is Islam against disabilities?

Hell no, it is figurative.

Deaf - hears but does not understand.
Dumb - Reads, but does not get the message.
Blind - Sees, but can't distinguish between good and bad.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Hell no, it is figurative.

Deaf - hears but does not understand.
Dumb - Reads, but does not get the message.
Blind - Sees, but can't distinguish between good and bad.

Oh, I see.

 

[AL sama]

Is Islam against disabilities?

hell no

islam doesn't divide people

 

[notAfanboy]

No
Even before the Constitution, there were numerous examples proving you wrong.

In Mahabharata, Bhishma was son of A King and a Fisherwoman and is treated in great respect even by Krishna.

In Siva Purana, Shiva himself comes down and completes the agricultural labor work of a Devotee, Namdanar though he was a Sudra and made him into one of his principal priests.


Shiva's Son himself married a Tribal woman

Ok, will the references I have given you about Syed and Non-Syed would be enough to convince you?

I don't think so.

 

[Tejas]

you edit your posts too much but ok

so will posting these here change anything??

will you gain anything from trying to convince us??

Yes.

As they say even a drop worth of effort counts in an ocean of good.

Making people understand religious sensitivities and sensiblities and presenting in whole Bharat 's civilizational issues.

The forum has readership far beyond just active users

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Ok, will the references I have given you about Syed and Non-Syed would be enough to convince you?

I don't think so.

What's the meaning of syed? is it a caste in Islam?does Islam have castes?

 

[Tejas]

Ok, will the references I have given you about Syed and Non-Syed would be enough to convince you?

I don't think so.

They are.
Just require a clarification on how many were outside Quraish tribe

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

islam doesn't divide people

only women and men

Yes.

As they say even a drop worth of effort counts in an ocean of good.

Making people understand religious sensitivities and sensiblities and presenting in whole Bharat 's civilizational issues.

The forum has readership far beyond just active users

Fighting the good fight on the anime forum very commendable