Controversial General Political Discussion

[NAMELESS]

it is natural to be born with disorders, diseases, defects of all kinds, die before being born, die while being born, etc.

the mother dying is also fairly natural. and its still not rare despite modern medicine. but it improved alot already.

there is shitload of gruesome stuff thats natural.

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sure, i guess. but alot of people that are reproducing wouldnt be alive if not for modern medicine.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16292605/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8830107/
Read when you can.You are wrong.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Bro, pedos can also get away by saying it is natural. Instinctive desires are natural, does it mean they get a pass?

Stop it.

You are unbiased? Can you say the same thing about pedos?

It is about seeking pleasure.
Hunters who uselessly kill animals do it for pleasure.
Homosexuals do it for pleasure.
Pedos do it for pleasure.

My question is, where should we draw a line?

What's wrong with moral judgement spin? Is it bad? If so, why?
Do you support immoral activities?

Are you serious? Are you gonna compare two consenting adults having sex to raping kids? That’s absolutely disgusting.

 

[notAfanboy]

Are you serious? Are you gonna compare two consenting adults having sex to raping kids? That’s absolutely disgusting.

I find both of them disgusting.
I am comparing desire to find pleasure.

Crazy, how you skipped the hunter example. Go on.

 

[NAMELESS]

Are you serious? Are you gonna compare two consenting adults having sex to raping kids? That’s absolutely disgusting.

that was a shitty comparison,but he does have a point:why is it we cannot do moral judgments about sexuality from a philosophical stand point?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

that was a shitty comparison,but he does have a point:why is it we cannot do moral judgments about sexuality from a philosophical stand point?

Be homophobic if you want. But comparing it to pedophilia is just straight up evil.

 

[notAfanboy]

Are you serious? Are you gonna compare two consenting adults having sex to raping kids? That’s absolutely disgusting.

Say this to lawmakers:

The current law, in place for decades, permits judges to decide whether a man should be placed on California's sex offender registry if he had voluntary intercourse with someone 14 to 17 years old and was no more than 10 years older than the person.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I find both of them disgusting.
I am comparing desire to find pleasure.

Crazy, how you skipped the hunter example. Go on.

I don’t care, I didn’t read it. You’re downplaying pedophilia. It’s beyond idiotic to compare rape to homosexual acts. Like extremely ediotic.

 

[NAMELESS]

it is natural to be born with disorders, diseases, defects of all kinds, die before being born, die while being born, etc.

the mother dying is also fairly natural. and its still not rare despite modern medicine. but it improved alot already.

there is shitload of gruesome stuff thats natural.

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sure, i guess. but alot of people that are reproducing wouldnt be alive if not for modern medicine.

yes,but from the point of views of reproducing genes,homosexuals have always come last in the race.So why is it there are so many of them now.There is a psycho social component here imo

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Say this to lawmakers:

The current law, in place for decades, permits judges to decide whether a man should be placed on California's sex offender registry if he had voluntary intercourse with someone 14 to 17 years old and was no more than 10 years older than the person.

That has nothing to do with homosexual acts. There is an age of consent for a reason. I don’t live in california, I don’t make the laws, stop obfuscating.

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If you don’t like gay sex then don’t have gay sex. Mind your own business if consenting adults want to have gay sex.

 

[Zenos7]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16292605/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8830107/
Read when you can.You are wrong.

this is about "natural kinds", a completely different concept in philosophy compared to the simple adjective "natural".

you cant be fucking serious.

 

[notAfanboy]

Be homophobic if you want. But comparing it to pedophilia is just straight up evil.

Agree or not, but it happens and it is a major problem.

You should be worried about lawmakers changing laws to accomodate this disgusting activity.

Like in the California law, "consent" means nothing. It is just a cover up to hide their disgusting side.

Apparently, US govt. is doing nothing about missing children.
Why?

 

[Logiko]

Agree or not, but it happens and it is a major problem.

You should be worried about lawmakers changing laws to accomodate this disgusting activity.

Like in the California law, "consent" means nothing. It is just a cover up to hide their disgusting side.

Apparently, US govt. is doing nothing about missing children.
Why?

Ow.. revealing your true self I see... the bigotry.

 

[NAMELESS]

this is about "natural kinds", a completely different concept in philosophy compared to the simple adjective "natural".

you cant be fucking serious.

"Natural kind" is an intellectual grouping, or categorizing of things, in a manner that is reflective of the actual world and not just human interests. Some treat it as a classification identifying some structure of truth and reality that exists whether or not humans recognize it. Others treat it as intrinsically useful to the human mind, but not necessarily reflective of something more objective. Candidates examples of natural kinds are found in all the sciences, but the field of chemistry provides the paradigm example of elements."
from wikipedia,it has everything to do with what we are talking.Is homosexuality intrinsic?Is disease intrinsic and so on...

 

[notAfanboy]

I don’t care, I didn’t read it. You’re downplaying pedophilia. It’s beyond idiotic to compare rape to homosexual acts. Like extremely ediotic.

Both are disgusting because they rely on instinctive desire to seek "pleasure".

Like I quoted California law, consent is also being used as a cover up. Wake up and protest against immorality, and that covers pedos.
Read what I said, there is a common word in it "pleasure".

Deal with it.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Agree or not, but it happens and it is a major problem.

You should be worried about lawmakers changing laws to accomodate this disgusting activity.

Like in the California law, "consent" means nothing. It is just a cover up to hide their disgusting side.

Apparently, US govt. is doing nothing about missing children.
Why?

I don’t even know what you’re talking about? This is not the topic at hand, you’re equating homosexuality to pedophilia. Now you’re bringing up some random law in california about the age of consent. Usually it’s 18, and I agree with it. But to pretend that having sex with another man is evil to the point that you equate it to having sex with actual children is beyond disgusting.

 

[notAfanboy]

Ow.. revealing your true self I see... the bigotry.

You see nothing lol,
"Hypothetical" and "scientific" lmao

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Both are disgusting because they rely on instinctive desire to seek "pleasure".

Like I quoted California law, consent is also being used as a cover up. Wake up and protest against immorality, and that covers pedos.
Read what I said, there is a common word in it "pleasure".

Deal with it.

Wow. I’m done. You’re stuck in the 1400s. I have sex for pleasure, nothing wrong about that. I don’t care what the Bible says or what the Quran says. They’re books written by a bunch of desert dwellers. That shit won’t determine how I live my life.

 

[Logiko]

You see nothing lol,
"Hypothetical" and "scientific" lmao

Careful of what you say from now on. Just a heads up.

 

[NAMELESS]

You see nothing lol,
"Hypothetical" and "scientific" lmao

dude,don't answer the inept.

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Wow. I’m done. You’re stuck in the 1400s. I have sex for pleasure, nothing wrong about that. I don’t care what the Bible says or what the Quran says. They’re books written by a bunch of desert dwellers. That shit won’t determine how I live my life.

pretty sure everyone agrees humans have sex for FUN and REPRODUCTION like others primates do.

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Careful of what you say from now on. Just a heads up.

or what?LOL

 

[Zenos7]

"Natural kind" is an intellectual grouping, or categorizing of things, in a manner that is reflective of the actual world and not just human interests. Some treat it as a classification identifying some structure of truth and reality that exists whether or not humans recognize it. Others treat it as intrinsically useful to the human mind, but not necessarily reflective of something more objective. Candidates examples of natural kinds are found in all the sciences, but the field of chemistry provides the paradigm example of elements."
from wikipedia,it has everything to do with what we are talking.Is homosexuality intrinsic?Is disease intrinsic and so on...

from your paper:

1) A disease is always a disease of (at least one) living natural kind. For example, powdery mildew is a disease that afflicts members of at least one living natural kind – rosemary bushes (Rosmarinus officinalis). But it is not a disease of the human natural kind. Human diseases are diseases of members of the human natural kind. (2) Diseases can afflict more than one natural kind. Plants other than rosemary, such as grapes and roses, can become diseased with powdery mildew. Dogs and human beings both can be afflicted with myasthenia gravis. (3) Diseases of one natural kind may be caused by another natural kind – e.g. – Erysiphe spp. and Sphaerotheca spp. are among the natural kinds causing powdery mildew. Plasmodium falciparum causes one type of malaria in human beings. But clearly not all diseases are caused by one natural kind invading another. There is no known pathogenic natural kind that causes myasthenia gravis.

as i said, this is a completely different concept that is completely irrelevant to bring up when the discussion is about the adjective "natural", not the noun "natural kind". what the actual flying fuck.