Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

You kinda contradicting yourself here

No, you can have a lack of motivation, but if you are in a good environment that really push you forward then it can be enough to move.

The point of all of this is to show you that there is no "magical" will power that can make you move on your own, it would be like creating wind out of nothing, it's not a reality.

And to come back to the topic, in the materialistic left, we understand that this "magical will power" myth actually hurt the society, its at the center of capitalism its also why we live in a world where the myth of "the great man" that can overcome anything with some work is so prevalent. Musk, Trump, Billionaires.. they are created because of this myth of the will power myth that is autofeeding on another value that we have in conflict: the notion of merit.

Because yes.. in a world where free will and Will power are a thing, then the notion of merit is perfectly legitimate.. But what if those things does not exist ? Then we have to create another type of society.

Hence why there is a battle between the left.... and the right.

diesn't this apply to every person? when surroundings are favourable everything is easier

Indeed, non disabled person just doesn't have wind(motivation) problems.

 

[Mathias]

diesn't this apply to every person? when surroundings are favourable everything is easier

This applies to everyone indeed. But there is a serious difference with mental-illnesses that isn't to be taken lightly

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The point of all of this is to show you that there is no "magical" will power that can make you move on your own,

Define magic

nd to come back to the topic, in the materialistic left, we understand that this "magical will power" myth actually hurt the society, its at the center of capitalism its also why we live in a world where the myth of "the great man" that can over come anything with a work is so prevalent. Musk, Trump, Billionaires.. they are created because of this myth of the will power myth that is autofeeding on another value that we have in conflict: the notion of merit

Yes I kinda see your point

Because yes.. in a world where free will and Will power are a thing, then the notion of merit is perfectly legitimate.

But is it?

it would be like creating wind out of nothing, it's not a reality.

That's a bad comparison imho

Indeed, non disabled person just doesn't have wind(motivation) problems.

Some disabled people have a lot of wind but a broken ship

 

[Logiko]

Define magic

Creation of something out of nothingness

But is it?

Well, its up to you. Do you believe in free will and willpower or do you believe that they don't exist and therefore that we must create a society with more equity that help pushes people in difficulty ?

It took me years to get rid of my beliefs in willpower, but once I did that, it opened a lot of understanding about the way we work as a broken society

That's a bad comparison imho

I liked the metaphor lol

Some disabled people have a lot of wind but a broken ship

Indeed

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Creation of something out of nothingness

Define 'nothing'

Well, its up to you. Do you believe in free will and willpower or do you believe that they don't exist and therefore that we must create a society with more equity that help pushes people in difficulty ?

Bruh this is a trick question 🤣no way I can answer that

 

[Logiko]

Define 'nothing'

uh ... void ? The absence of something ?

Bruh this is a trick question 🤣no way I can answer that

This is why this question creates so much battles. This is why there is one side that believes in great men and willpower and a side that believe in the opposite. This is also why there is no center because you can't believe in both.

Answer to this question and you will truly know if you are more a leftist or more a rightist.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

This is why this question creates so much battles. This is why there is one side that believes in great men and willpower and a side that believe in the opposite. This is also why there is no center because you can't believe in both.

no you're setting me up🤣this question is manipulative.

Answer to this question and you will truly know if you are more a leftist or more a rightist.

I don't really care about these terms tbh

 

[Logiko]

no you're setting me up🤣this question is manipulative.

No. lol. I already answer it. Its just very difficult because it demands to get rid of a lot of things you know as truth. At least if you want to answer in a certain way.

I don't really care about these terms tbh

As you wish

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Its just very difficult because it demands to get rid of a lot of things you know as truth. At least if you want to answer in a certain way.

🤣🤣
Okay,will you answer this question: do you believe individuals exist? Yes or no

 

[Logiko]

Okay,will you answer this question: do you believe individuals exist? Yes or no

Yup. We are all unique.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Yup. We are all unique.

Individual≠unique

 

[Logiko]

Individual≠unique

What do you mean by individual then ?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

What do you mean by individual then ?

Let me use an example: every cell in your body is unique. do you agree or no?

 

[Logiko]

Let me use an example: every cell in your body is unique. do you agree or no?

I don't know, I'm not a biologist. Aren't they supposed to be the same ? I don't know at all.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I don't know, I'm not a biologist. Aren't they supposed to be the same ? I don't know at all.

Every cell in anyone's body is unique. There's no cell that is 100% like another. This is biological fact.
But is each cell individual? Are cells individuals?

 

[Logiko]

Every cell in anyone's body is unique. There's no cell that is 100% like another. This is biological fact.
But is each cell individual? Are cells individuals?

Euh... Ok I'm lost.

Can you define "individual" ?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Euh... Ok I'm lost.

Can you define "individual" ?

🤣🤣I knew you won't get it

 

[Logiko]

🤣🤣I knew you won't get it

Do you mean that they are living beings ?

 

[NAMELESS]

Bipolar people experience lack of motivation too.



Treatments and whatnot are no cures

Low drive is associated with low dopamine.Its a symptom of depression.

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It is.

Let me give you a very simple example I had to face: Psychosis (my case, a lack of motivation to do everything because of dopamine level too low).

For someone on the right, this is something you can overcome by willpower. You will often see them say "get out to the sun", "just do sport", "force yourself to be active", "if you want, you can overcome this" , "walk in your city".

For someone on the left, this is something that demands a treatment and a guidance. "Do small thing first" "try to wash a plate and note in a diary how you are proud of yourself to have done this", "try to put a reward to go out" "just go to your backery and come home and note this is your diary"

As you can see there is a difference in term of apprehension of the reality. While the rightist will see your health as something you can conquer, the leftist know that its not that simple.

I had to face that dychotomie for years.

And you can see that in real life in real politic descision.

- Capitalism is the epitome of willpower, its the myth of the strong man that can become rich by himself and overcome his environment.
At the opposite:
- Universal salary enters in opposition to the concept of will, it understands that to flourish, people needs first to be free from the low income risk.

Yes, you got me UwU

No c4n,its not something a right winger would,its something an IGNORANT would say.

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Logiko was implying that some, or many, mental-illnesses prevents people from having willpower.

My example proves that Churchill, who was bipolar, achieved more than most humans do in their lifetime despite having one of the worst mental-illness that exists.

I have a bipolar relative that works 12 hours 6x a week and is rich as fuck.

 

[Cruxroux]