Powers & Abilities The actual reason why Luffy has a Mythical God fruit and why the Nika asspull occured

[Shinsekai]

Is because Kaido was just too strong be logically beaten by Luffy otherwise

Oda probably couldn't find a way to use Luffy's rubber fruit in such a way that it would give him an advantage over Kaido since it was beyond his limits as a writer. Even a "normal Gear 5" - an awakening of the normal rubber fruit and changing the environment into rubber - wouldn't have been enough to bring down Kaido in a way that isn't bullshit. Oda had to give Luffy a literal God fruit that's only limit is the imagination of the user and Toon Force powers to bring down an exhausted Kaido in an extreme diff fight. Oda wanted to make Kaido strong due to the hype and to meet the expectations of the readers but he couldn't do it correctly in a narratively logical way and he made him too strong that it eventually led to the Nika's asspull

Oda basically cornered himself the same way Kishimoto did with Madara and Kaguya and he had to relay on a convenient asspull to save the MC's ass and move the story forward

 

[Kerkovian]

Is because Kaido was just too strong be logically beaten by Luffy otherwise

Oda probably couldn't find a way to use Luffy's rubber fruit in such a way that it would give him an advantage over Kaido since it was beyond his limits as a writer. Even a "normal Gear 5" - an awakening of the normal rubber fruit and changing the environment into rubber - wouldn't have been enough to bring down Kaido in a way that isn't bullshit. Oda had to give Luffy a literal God fruit that's only limit is the imagination of the user and Toon Force powers to bring down an exhausted Kaido in an extreme diff fight. Oda wanted to make Kaido strong due to the hype and to meet the expectations of the readers but he couldn't do it correctly in a narratively logical way and he made him too strong that it eventually led to the Nika's asspull

Oda basically cornered himself the same way Kishimoto did with Madara and Kaguya and he had to relay on a convenient asspull to save the MC's ass and move the story forward

Is because Kaido was just too strong be logically beaten by Luffy otherwise

Oda probably couldn't find a way to use Luffy's rubber fruit in such a way that it would give him an advantage over Kaido since it was beyond his limits as a writer. Even a "normal Gear 5" - an awakening of the normal rubber fruit and changing the environment into rubber - wouldn't have been enough to bring down Kaido in a way that isn't bullshit. Oda had to give Luffy a literal God fruit that's only limit is the imagination of the user and Toon Force powers to bring down an exhausted Kaido in an extreme diff fight. Oda wanted to make Kaido strong due to the hype and to meet the expectations of the readers but he couldn't do it correctly in a narratively logical way and he made him too strong that it eventually led to the Nika's asspull

Oda basically cornered himself the same way Kishimoto did with Madara and Kaguya and he had to relay on a convenient asspull to save the MC's ass and move the story forward

*Asspull* There is no asspull after literally dying to awaken a mythical zoan fruit of GOD. Just admit you are a hater who has failed at understanding the manga and have nothing to do at life so you came here to talk out of your ass.

 

[Aster]

Is because Kaido was just too strong be logically beaten by Luffy otherwise

Oda probably couldn't find a way to use Luffy's rubber fruit in such a way that it would give him an advantage over Kaido since it was beyond his limits as a writer. Even a "normal Gear 5" - an awakening of the normal rubber fruit and changing the environment into rubber - wouldn't have been enough to bring down Kaido in a way that isn't bullshit. Oda had to give Luffy a literal God fruit that's only limit is the imagination of the user and Toon Force powers to bring down an exhausted Kaido in an extreme diff fight. Oda wanted to make Kaido strong due to the hype and to meet the expectations of the readers but he couldn't do it correctly in a narratively logical way and he made him too strong that it eventually led to the Nika's asspull

Oda basically cornered himself the same way Kishimoto did with Madara and Kaguya and he had to relay on a convenient asspull to save the MC's ass and move the story forward

To be fair there were theories floating around about the Nika being the drum dancing fruit back in 2015, so Oda clearly didn't want to spoil it but had it in mind for a long time.

STILL Doesn't take away the fact that It killed all future tension for the series.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

*Asspull* There is no asspull after literally dying to awaken a mythical zoan fruit of GOD. Just admit you are a hater who has failed at understanding the manga and have nothing to do at life so you came here to talk out of your ass.

Read 4 threads and in all 4 the only argument you provide is ''muuuuh Zorofan...muuuh hater....''
Instead of hating on fans, try debunking what the thread is about and give arguments, it will give you more credibility and would shut up the op.

 

[Herrera95]

*Asspull* There is no asspull after literally dying to awaken a mythical zoan fruit of GOD. Just admit you are a hater who has failed at understanding the manga and have nothing to do at life so you came here to talk out of your ass.

Tell me you are a hypocrite without telling me you are a hypocrite.

The fact he had to die to awaken and turn into a God is enough asspull. And even after that he needed asspull to win because without Bajrang Gun he loses.

 

[Zenos7]

To be fair there were theories floating around about the Nika being the drum dancing fruit back in 2015, so Oda clearly didn't want to spoil it but had it in mind for a long time.

STILL Doesn't take away the fact that It killed all future tension for the series.

Changing the df after over 1000 chapters into a god fruit that can bend reality is pretty much an asspull.

Shit like asura was also an asspull, just not nearly as bad as g5

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Changing the df after over 1000 chapters into a god fruit that can bend reality is pretty much an asspull.

Shit like asura was also an asspull, just not nearly as bad as g5

Changing the narrative of something in your story is not an ass pull.

An ass pull would be if there was no established narrative on how the fruit can be changed into something else, and in the middle of the Kaido fight, Oda sprung awakening out of nowhere for the first time, and said surprise, the fruit is now something different, via an ability I've never told yall about.

 

[JoNdule]

Changing the narrative of something in your story is not an ass pull.

An ass pull would be if there was no established narrative on how the fruit can be changed into something else, and in the middle of the Kaido fight, Oda sprung awakening out of nowhere for the first time, and said surprise, the fruit is now something different, via an ability I've never told yall about.

G5 is an asspull
Because Luffy's fruit was never said to be zoan, let alone mythical

 

[Paperchampion23]

To be fair there were theories floating around about the Nika being the drum dancing fruit back in 2015, so Oda clearly didn't want to spoil it but had it in mind for a long time.

STILL Doesn't take away the fact that It killed all future tension for the series.

Ehh i dont think it kills future tension, because every future opponent, sans Kizaru maybe(?), poses a direct threat to Luffy in some way:

- Akainu: can literally melt your insides
- Shanks: Is a swordsman with FS nullifying haki allegedly and the largest display of Conquerors in the series.
- Blackbeard: 1 of his powers can entirely nullify Luffy's fruit. The other has some of the biggest destructive implications on a person or environment. And who knows if theres a 3rd.

Who knows what Imu can do, but considering they (or one of the Gorosei), hurt Sabo (a logia) with ease, then I would guess they are also just as dangerous somehow (i entirely think they have a water logia, i.e. full Kairoseki nullification and since they ate Sabo's fire)

 

[BlackLegFring]

Yes. It’s a mix of:
- not knowing what to do with Kaido (also why Kaido himself didn’t have awakening because it would just be back to square one).
- justifying a design change because paramecia’s just look the same, so Zoan was needed for visible change.
- Oda’s intent to make things more cartoony. Regular awakening wouldn’t change Luffy’s typical behaviour.
Changing the fruit also justifies the personality changes, like laughing his ass off and asking if it was fun.

 

[Rukusho]

Oda wrote himself into a corner the moment he introduced Kaido as a villain.

The amount of @$$ pulls + plot contrivances that nerfed Kaido is astronomical, off the top of my head I can't think of another arc villain in Shonen that was nerfed as heavily as Kaido.

• Fighting 8 of the 9 Red Scabbards
• Deciding to lift onigamshima
• While the island is lifted fighting the Supernova, knocks out Luffy
• Knocks out Luffy again kicked off the island
• Luffy comes back and gets murdered
• Luffy returns AGAIN this time awakened
• Kaido decides to take an island-tier attack after so many bouts which manages to knock him into a volcano ... (The assumption is that Kaido is knocked out)

 

[HA001]

Man really just said his fruit being a different type and restarting his heart by its own volition ain't an ass pull lmfaoooo

 

[Artem]

Is because Kaido was just too strong be logically beaten by Luffy otherwise

Oda probably couldn't find a way to use Luffy's rubber fruit in such a way that it would give him an advantage over Kaido since it was beyond his limits as a writer. Even a "normal Gear 5" - an awakening of the normal rubber fruit and changing the environment into rubber - wouldn't have been enough to bring down Kaido in a way that isn't bullshit. Oda had to give Luffy a literal God fruit that's only limit is the imagination of the user and Toon Force powers to bring down an exhausted Kaido in an extreme diff fight. Oda wanted to make Kaido strong due to the hype and to meet the expectations of the readers but he couldn't do it correctly in a narratively logical way and he made him too strong that it eventually led to the Nika's asspull

Oda basically cornered himself the same way Kishimoto did with Madara and Kaguya and he had to relay on a convenient asspull to save the MC's ass and move the story forward

Oda killed the character with this shit. Now 80% of Goofy's power is the power of the dead Joy Boy and the God Niki.... So also a resurrection into the bargain.....

 

[Thaidakar]

Shit like asura was also an asspull, just not nearly as bad as g5

Asura isn't an asspull. Zoro creating shit with his aura/haki/whatever was pretty mich foreshadowed over the entire arc, if not from earlier.

As for luffy
- the suspicious accident with shanks
- his entire personality from having ADHD down to his joyful aura 24fucking7
- D and the smile prior death
- him freeing one volks after another and making crucial side characters laugh
- him freeing the prisoners from ID

I admit WsW teasing nika and luffy awakening was pretty close. It should have happened somewhere else, W7/TB/Saboady or something.
But apart from oda's bad timing he delivered quite a lot of hints. For joyboy as well as for asura.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

G5 is an asspull
Because Luffy's fruit was never said to be zoan, let alone mythical

It doesn't have to be said. It's called misdirection, and it's a valid writing technique. You make the reader believe one thing, when in reality it something completely different.

Oda has slowly been eluding to the fact that the Gomu Gomu no Mi isn't what is appears to be since the Doflamingo fight.

You gonna argue that all forms of misdirection in all of fiction is an asspull? Good luck on that.

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Is because Kaido was just too strong be logically beaten by Luffy otherwise

Nah, this is absurd, Oda could have had Luffy defeating Kaidou with advanced Haoshoku plus level three of Busoshoku and we'd have believed it since there's no metric to establish how much stronger this Luffy would be.

Oda introduced the Nika model because it enlarges the frame of his story. The new Joy Boy with a random Gomu Gomu is less grandiloquent than the incarnated warrior of liberation dethroning the immortal king of the world.

If you think this author in particular is going to make such an important change for power scaling reasons you don't understand him.

 

[Zenos7]

Asura isn't an asspull. Zoro creating shit with his aura/haki/whatever was pretty mich foreshadowed over the entire arc, if not from earlier.

asura still has no explanation, and "foreshadowing" in the same arc is pretty funny to me lol.

As for luffy
- the suspicious accident with shanks
- his entire personality from having ADHD down to his joyful aura 24fucking7
- D and the smile prior death
- him freeing one volks after another and making crucial side characters laugh
- him freeing the prisoners from ID

what accident?

pretty much none of the above is exclusive to luffy, so imo thats grasping at straws.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

I only read facts, it's true that Oda cornered himself with Kaidou's overwhelming power, that's what happens when you create such a strong character. And there's supposedly another aspect, which is the fact that Kaido wasn't given his awakening because the guy was already wreaking havoc and causing problems for the author without awakening, imagine with awakening. This is what Oda gains by creating Kaido, the strongest character in the history according to the magazine.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

It's funny how people don't realize that Luffy has been doing exactly what Nika symbolizes since the very first arc of the manga. Liberating those who are oppressed, and bringing joy to those he encounters.

People want to call it an ass pull, because they are so obsessed with the fighting aspect of the twist, that they fail to see the Symbolism of what being Nika means to the overall narrative of the story.

They need to take off their battle goggles and read the actual story.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Asura isn't an asspull. Zoro creating shit with his aura/haki/whatever was pretty mich foreshadowed over the entire arc, if not from earlier.

I think people consider it an asspull because/as in, prior to Enies Lobby, there is not a hint for that, and it being completely different (not an upgrade of previous known tech).