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You've lost sight of the point again, it's not about how strong Zoro and Sanji are but rather the gap between Luffy and their opponents.

You were on the right track with Big Mom, because the gap between Luffy's opponent and Big Mom was not heaven and earth like Kaidou and the commanders, she was taken down by unorthodox opponents in an unorthodox manner. Even if Kaidou was much stronger, it was close enough to throw the structure apart.
Yup can’t see an admiral two levels below Akainu like what we typically see with luffy to wings matchups.
 
Man, I almost quit using forums altogether after 1055 and Greenbull clowning.

I'm happy I didn't, there is definitely some life lesson there

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Yeah, lowest end. I just don't see bums like Queen beating him tbh.
The only negative thing about Mingo is his performance against G4 but he's excused since 1.) he fought with ruptured organs and 2.) this was basically an introduction to Bound Man/G4.
Its already confirmed that when Luffy vs Flamingo started they were equaly damaged. Doffy is YC3.
 
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