Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1092 Spoilers Discussion

[Dragon777]

if luffy was using advcoc, there is no way kizaru would casually tank the attacks

Kizaru seems a defense expert, is clearly using a tenichque of his fruit and the Snakeman is not as strong offensively as the Boundman.

It's a good showing, but not that far off.

 

[Pringles]

The same lightning you can see in Jinbe vs WW or Ulti vs Luffy?
Or even better in Luffy vs Katakuri, as I have already said?

Not once you can see haki trails like 1010 (with a much weaker CoC, I might add) or the no touching (bar for the Bajarang gun only, and even then Luffy spoked only about Hyogoro).

So, I return to my first point: If we randomly took panels of G5's fight without knowing anything, the haki usage would be totally indistinguishable from the CoA used against Kata, just to say one.

Correct

 

[JoNdule]

I can understand people saying Luffy is not going all out, and I agree.
but how can anyone look at the panel and say Kizaru was trying more is beyond me.

Nobody going all out
Kizaru just can't dodge snakeman as easily, he has to blindside luffy to get a open space and do a massive blow

Luffy is just holding back more : named attacks, adcoc, adcoa,...even fs isn't guaranteed that he used it

Kizaru didn't use ryuo perhaps but other than that we don't know if he has awakening or adcoc.

 

[grey matter]

When you read zoro piece

This is what happens

My post had nothing to do with Zoro.

Rent free

 

[RebelliousSoma]

What I told yell oda is saving admirals for a reason luffy already all must why kizaru look cleaner

If he really wants to save VP, he probably joins Luffy and they'll have a big fight vs Saturn. That guy is hundreds of years old, he must be tough.

 

[ThunderSupernova]

Power of the absolute strongest for a reason

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1701785650008043767

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Luffy not using adv coc confirmed

@Sasaki Kojirō @Hanzo hattori @Tejas @Swallalala @RebelliousSoma @Pringles

Yes, Luffy is not using adcoc Haki.

Imagine a Luffy not using adcoc Haki against Kaido? He would be brutalized in every direct exchange they had because Kaido's physical strength would overpower him, just as it did in 1009 and as it did with pre-adcoc Haki Luffy in 1014, where Luffy had clumsy control.

 

[comrade]

The Bagua of Kaido can easily reach Kizaru and blitz him based on this chapter. As I mentioned earlier, Kaido stepped on Snakeman with both Armament Haki and Ryou equipped; he would perform even better against a Snakeman who can't handle the physical power of Kaido's blows. In the end, someone who can't even harm him, those punches that Kaido would be taking would result in zero damage received.

Not to mention that Ryou and Armament Haki boosted the Attack Power of Snakeman's punches. Without Ryou and Armament Haki equipped, the attacks would be like tickling Kaido, while Kizaru, if he's having trouble with this, there's no limit to how strong Kaido is.

The interpretation of feats can be subjective, prone to personal bias and recency bias, so it's good to have the author's note of Kaido being the best reference in terms of being the strongest.

 

[Tai long]

so what i got from the fight is
fluffy was punching kizaru and kizaru was blocking the attacks
then he contered and kicked fluffy away
then luffy had to go past vegapuncks barrier
then luffy grabbed kizaru

 

[Pringles]

I can understand people saying Luffy is not going all out, and I agree.
but how can anyone look at the panel and say Kizaru was trying more is beyond me.

Nobody is going all out imo

 

[Extravlad]

but did kaido get stronger when he started using advcoc

A Yonko is a Yonko
It's obvious that neither Luffy nor Kizaru are at full power yet
But trying to downscale Luffy to YC lvl is just disgusting bad faith agenda

 

[Garps tekkai]

Kizaru and snakeman are clashing while kizaru doing more blocking.
That's why we see light beams or star around kizaru as luffy attacks

Yeah but what's up with those light balls in the air?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

We know that Luffy can decide to use or not to use internal destruction, as he didn't use it against Page One but did use it against Kaido. If Luffy isn't using barrier and ACoC, it's not a save bet that he uses internal destruction. He could, but he could not either. Kizaru so far hasn't made commentary on an advanced usage of ACoA either.

So ultimately we have no way of telling if Luffy was using ID Haki or not. Lol

I’ve said it a hundred times before, I’ll say it a hundred times again, Haki really had the potential to be a good power system, but Oda’s inability to actually visually communicate what is happening in a visual medium forever condemns this garbage power system lol. No wonder Oda thinks he would lose to the likes of Dragonballs if he tried to draw a serious action manga.

am I bugging or does it kinda look like Akainu tanked Ursus Shock? @Kurozumi Wiwi @Elder Lee Hung

http://imgur.com/a/6rAnBJm

I mean, he’s a logia lol. I wouldn’t care if he did.

 

[soheilhazrat]

it will be biggest disappointment if kizaru doesnt show Awakening

 

[Tai long]

Kizaru seems a defense expert, is clearly using a tenichque of his fruit and the Snakeman is not as strong offensively as the Boundman.

It's a good showing, but not that far off.

kizaru might be a defense expert but no way is he casually tanking g4 attacks with advcoc. even kaido could not do it

if kizaru can casually tank g4 advcoc attacks what would g5 do

 

[nik87]

if luffy was using advcoc, there is no way kizaru would casually tank the attacks

He isnt tanking... Yall really need to start paying attention to combat.
It is Law vs Doffy all over again. He isnt landing hits, making them stronger achieves nothing.

 

[JoNdule]

Alright so you already know what I’m going to ask lol, how do you know Luffy wasn’t using advanced Haki? So far as I can tell, Luffy is just constantly using FS in combat now lol, and as for internal destruction Haki:

This shit is just indistinguishable from regular CoA.

So it would seem to me like restrained Kizaru just dominated a stronger version of rooftop Luffy, lol

Are you comparing boundman and snakeman in AP? Lol
Plus these are base snakeman punches against Kizaru

Snakeman named attacks are ~ KG tier, while KC is the only one above leo bazooka or so.
Oda knew if luffy used g3 with adcoc and ryuo, kziaru is sent flying and badly wounded
Same if snakeman used adcoc
Or it was just boundman (basic coa)

 

[Pringles]

it will be biggest disappointment if kizaru doesnt show Awakening

Kizaru without conqueror's coating is not an issue

However, he defo needs to use awakened powers

 

[Mighty Action X]

Nobody is going all out imo

Doesn't matter who is going all out or not. The result is all that matters. If Luffy won, he won, end of discussion. There's no compromise when it comes to winners and losers. Just the victor and the defeated.

 

[Tai long]

A Yonko is a Yonko
It's obvious that neither Luffy nor Kizaru are at full power yet
But trying to downscale Luffy to YC lvl is just disgusting bad faith agenda

did kaido become stronger than a yonko when he started using advcoc or was he not yonko level when he did not use it. Pick one

not saying kizaru was going all out but kizaru only got one attack on fluffy and that did not really damage fluffy it just sent him away