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One Piece Chapter 1092: The Rampage Incident of Tyrant Kuma in the Holy Land
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He is sanji fan first and then shanks/ladmiral fan. He is not a problem.
... and it is already confirmed that Kizaru knows about the G5 and still went against Luffy without fear.
I don't think the battle has a clear conclusion, meaning one of them losing, obviously it doesn't make sense for Luffy to lose whether or not he's stronger than Kizaru, but Kizaru losing in a transition arc?
Oda is clearly giving prominence to the navy, now that we are entering the final saga, and the navy has been historically undervalued (By fans), I don't see how it would help its reputation by having the second most powerful marine be defeated in a passing arc.
1. Kizaru isn’t necessarily the second most powerful marine. Oda hasn’t don’t anything to set Kizaru apart from Ryo and Fuji. He even outright put equal bounties on their heads.
2. Oda always has a member of the enemy go down to luffy in a transition arc before the others go down. Kizaru pushing yonko luffy to extreme diff and losing sets the stage for the strength one needs to defeat the other admirals, at minimum current luffy level. This also sets up luffy needing a power up against the fleet admiral who’s the strongest member.
Luffy extreme diffing Kizaru here will give the navy more respect than oda forcing this fight to not occur.
2. Oda always has a member of the enemy go down to luffy in a transition arc before the others go down. Kizaru pushing yonko luffy to extreme diff and losing sets the stage for the strength one needs to defeat the other admirals, at minimum current luffy level. This also sets up luffy needing a power up against the fleet admiral who’s the strongest member.
Luffy extreme diffing Kizaru here will give the navy more respect than oda forcing this fight to not occur.
I'm not going to lie, extreme diff either is my current opinion but I keep repeating that I don't see the point in Kizaru losing, at this moment Kizaru is the 2nd most powerful marine, unless Oda comes up with the "brilliant" idea to forcefully introduce a new admiral at this point, a mistake for me, not to mention that they are against the clock and I don't see an admiral losing a fight in less than 20 hours,
especially knowing that admirals are titans in durability/endurance and stamina.
Marine bounties are an issue to be treated with care, they are given by another organization, with fewer resources than the government, I have seen many people say that Kizaru loses against any pirate who has a bounty of 3B or higher, just because that Kiz has 3.0 B of berries (for Cross Guild), if he were a pirate, Kizaru would have more than 3B (for the WG)
especially knowing that admirals are titans in durability/endurance and stamina.
Marine bounties are an issue to be treated with care, they are given by another organization, with fewer resources than the government, I have seen many people say that Kizaru loses against any pirate who has a bounty of 3B or higher, just because that Kiz has 3.0 B of berries (for Cross Guild), if he were a pirate, Kizaru would have more than 3B (for the WG)
The point of Kizaru is to set the power levels of those to come. There’s zero reason for Kizaru to survive this arc after oda has shown that everything here is so heavily connected to his own character it’s the only arc for Kizaru to be defeated.
There’s not going to be a new admiral, just Sakazuki Fujitora and Ryokugyu. And I’m not comparing Kizaru to pirate bounties, I’m saying if Oda wanted to show Kizaru as the strongest, he wouldn’t have given him the same bounty as Fuji and Ryo despite Kizaru having years of accolades from his past that the others don’t.
Basically Kizarus defeat does a few main things that oda needs to do:
1. Set the minimum power needed to defeat an admiral (yonko luffy)
2. Set the precedent that Luffy still isn’t ready to defeat Sakazuki and will need to grow more (adds more stakes to this fight)
3. Gives Kizarus character a fitting end in an arc that he gets to be the focus on.
There’s not going to be a new admiral, just Sakazuki Fujitora and Ryokugyu. And I’m not comparing Kizaru to pirate bounties, I’m saying if Oda wanted to show Kizaru as the strongest, he wouldn’t have given him the same bounty as Fuji and Ryo despite Kizaru having years of accolades from his past that the others don’t.
Basically Kizarus defeat does a few main things that oda needs to do:
1. Set the minimum power needed to defeat an admiral (yonko luffy)
2. Set the precedent that Luffy still isn’t ready to defeat Sakazuki and will need to grow more (adds more stakes to this fight)
3. Gives Kizarus character a fitting end in an arc that he gets to be the focus on.
You make good points, but I still believe that it is not the time for him to lose, the rewards are not very relevant as I said, because the Cross Guild gives rewards for titles, regardless of who is stronger, therefore all admirals have the same rewards (3 crowns), the only exception It's Garp, for being the hero of the navy, CG applies rewards very differently than the government, especially due to its lack of resources (compared to WG), regardless of CG rewards, Kizaru>Fuji imo.
It may end up ending like you say, Kizaru losing is very likely, we will have to wait, imo this battle serves to demonstrate the level of the admirals, demonstrating that an admiral can lead an emperor towards an extreme diff battle, and vice versa, but something will happen that will interrupt the fight, Luffy would need hours to defeat Kizaru, something he does not have, taking into account that battles between the true top tiers last hours, or days, it would seem strange for Luffy to defeat Kiz in 1 hour or less.
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It may end up ending like you say, Kizaru losing is very likely, we will have to wait, imo this battle serves to demonstrate the level of the admirals, demonstrating that an admiral can lead an emperor towards an extreme diff battle, and vice versa, but something will happen that will interrupt the fight, Luffy would need hours to defeat Kizaru, something he does not have, taking into account that battles between the true top tiers last hours, or days, it would seem strange for Luffy to defeat Kiz in 1 hour or less.
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To be honest, many of these chapters feel rushed.
Like, I am under the impression that Oda locked himself into a hard place with the series pacing - but in addition to that you have the added stress of the breaks caused by the Live Action - so the series is behind schedule probably.
Regardless, it felt to me that a fight on this level should have been allotted more panels.
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Like, I am under the impression that Oda locked himself into a hard place with the series pacing - but in addition to that you have the added stress of the breaks caused by the Live Action - so the series is behind schedule probably.
Regardless, it felt to me that a fight on this level should have been allotted more panels.
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As for the subject of haki and the points you brought up, this forum has an expert - the great haki scientist who can clarify what is going on in this chapter. The one and only.
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If Luffy Smacked Kizaru into seawater causing Kizaru to lose consciousness from the seawater and not the punch, thus "cheesing the fight", the Admiral fans would never have heard the end of it - "Kizaru was low diffed" the Luffy fans would say.
So, Kizaru smacks Luffy into the Barrier for some bonus damage, and the Luffy fans cry foul. "He didn't even want to continue the fight".
Right, so Kizaru who is loyal to follow his orders - commanded to kill Vegapunk - should just let VP escape while Luffy stalls him because Luffy fans want an uninterrupted "honorable duel"?
Double standards much? Come on guys. This a a battle between Pirates and Marines, not a 1 vs. 1 "Items set to off" Super Smash Brothers match. Get a hold of yourselves!
So, Kizaru smacks Luffy into the Barrier for some bonus damage, and the Luffy fans cry foul. "He didn't even want to continue the fight".
Right, so Kizaru who is loyal to follow his orders - commanded to kill Vegapunk - should just let VP escape while Luffy stalls him because Luffy fans want an uninterrupted "honorable duel"?
Double standards much? Come on guys. This a a battle between Pirates and Marines, not a 1 vs. 1 "Items set to off" Super Smash Brothers match. Get a hold of yourselves!
The rewards are relevant as its oda establishing the three admirals are comparable to one another. We’re shown that there are times when Cross Guild gives higher bounties to those with equal titles based on their power being above normal individuals with that level (Coby, Garp, that VA with a one crown bounty) if Kizaru was above them, oda would’ve established it. Kizaru ~ Fuji ~ Ryo
Luffy defeats people quickly; he defeated Kaido in one night he defeated Lucci in Ennies Lobby in a few minutes.
Luffy defeats people quickly; he defeated Kaido in one night he defeated Lucci in Ennies Lobby in a few minutes.