Powers & Abilities Haki reserves should not exist

#22
>It has never been said to be the case That Fuji always has his Haki on. Fuji cut his eyes out for a reason. As far as we know he has it on when it’s necessary.

> As far as Big Mom. That’s a theory. One that doesn’t have any actual basis other than she has tough skin. She’s just an insanely strong human being with out of this world power and when she goes into a state of trauma, her defenses go down and she becomes vulnerable.

>Hak IS life energy. It’s something everyone has and if you abuse it it can kill you. Just not everyone can control it. It’s basically just like chakra from Naruto.

>Haki has always been dependent on mental condition. You have to focus and concentrate to properly hone and use it. This has been shown throughout the series from Luffy, Zoro, Koby. etc.
 
#24
>It has never been said to be the case That Fuji always has his Haki on. Fuji cut his eyes out for a reason. As far as we know he has it on when it’s necessary.

> As far as Big Mom. That’s a theory. One that doesn’t have any actual basis other than she has tough skin. She’s just an insanely strong human being with out of this world power and when she goes into a state of trauma, her defenses go down and she becomes vulnerable.

>Hak IS life energy. It’s something everyone has and if you abuse it it can kill you. Just not everyone can control it. It’s basically just like chakra from Naruto.

>Haki has always been dependent on mental condition. You have to focus and concentrate to properly hone and use it. This has been shown throughout the series from Luffy, Zoro, Koby. etc.
Your profile pic is hilarious man
 
#25
haki discussions are hilarious when you step back and realize nobody knows what the fuck is going on
Its usually people who try to find parallels with other power systems from different manga that have a problem with haki.
Like the OP. "unlike Nen"
I do not give a single shit about Nen. HxH is overhyped garbage and Nen is a horrible plot device that can do whatever the fuck the author wants at any point in time with no restrictions whatsoever. Its already bad for Nen that has a lose definition. Then in comes the SPECIALIZATION TYPE and shit hits the fan hard. You are only fond of the ad-hoc explanations that the author throws out to justify his horrible creation.

BM uses CoA subconsciously. This does not mean that BMs CoA is active permanently. It may only trigger if shes about to get harmed. She is also supposed to be a beast. Her having unnaturally high haki reservers would be a non-issue story wise.
Fujis CoO is also just a very basic level. He senses people or objects. This is really the absolute most basic form of CoO. It should therefore not be very draining. After all, this form is active near permanently for everyone who has it. WB had it on while he slept. Having this version on at all times is the bare minimum requirement to not get caught off guard by sneak attacks.
 
#26
Some people just built different, Big Mom is an anomaly to nature. And Fujitora is just that guy, he’s evolved his CoO to be far beyond anyone on the planet, this man said he could sense the clouds shifting, hearing lightning when Law and Doffy couldn’t, or well sensing meteors in space.
One of my fav scenes from him is when he caught Doffy attack just with hand
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there is no haki "reserves" for anyone in this show except Luffy...everyone else spam haki left and right like anything except Luffy...it is the only way Oda was able to "creatively" think to "restrict" G4...
Weren't kid and law tired after their fight with bm
 

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#29
I must admit Gear 5 is the most refreshing thing to happen to this series in years. Luffy needed to return to his more goofy ways and fights are more entertaining the more creative and completely unserious Luffy gets to win. It reminds me of East Blue Luffy antics.
Gear 5th is the best :lusnipe:
 
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#30
This literally just occurred to me after talking with my little brother about Fujitora's Observation Haki. Fujitora is a blind man, so he needs to use Observation Haki every moment to perceive the world. Katakuri uses advanced Observation Haki all the time. There's a common theory that Big Mom's durability comes from constant usage of Armament Haki.

So why do Haki reserves need to exist? We don't even see the concept outside of the first few uses of Gear Fourth or Kaido. And it's not as if Haki is life energy, unlike Nen. IMO if Oda wanted to stick with the concept of Haki weakening throughout a fight, he could've written that Haki can fluctuate depending on mental condition. It's not like we don't have precedent for this, considering future vision needs the user to remain calm.
Try to see haki similar to Demon Slayer breathing. People can mantain a constant use of haki all the time but not that strong. When they really want it to be strong than they start to lose that reserve.

For example Big Mom's durability. When Luffy went G4 she used more haki on her arm to block the attack.
 
#31
Great point but here's the cold hard truth: Haki is Oda's deus ex tool. It exists to explain the unexplainable, it exists to be Oda's get out of jail free card, nothing more nothing less. It's the reason Oda refuses to elaborate, because the minute he does, he's locked into that box.

Oh this Law ability is too hax and would end this farce? Oh well strong haki , which type of haki, how does it function, is it passive, active, what moves does it effect, to what degree and why? Nope no answer. Haki goes brrr.

When he needs to turn it on he will, when he needs to turn it off he will. When he needs an ice fist to match an advCoC fist from the strongest fist fighter of all time it will, when he needs it to be the most OP power it will.

I've officially checked out of haki discussions. The only thing I'm looking at now is results. That's it, that's all that matters.
Which type of Haki? Haki is one = Will it does not matter which type in terms of cancelling or blocking etc because its all the same its how its used is different according to users affinity and nature etc etc. At least that is my understanding of it so far. And it make sense to me.. only few can project their haki into others aka exuding their will on others CoC blabla whatever.


other than that yes its a free card for oda and you are correct i am with you on that stance that the moment oda explains it he won't be able to change/add/fix or whatever.
 
#32
Its usually people who try to find parallels with other power systems from different manga that have a problem with haki.
Like the OP. "unlike Nen"
I do not give a single shit about Nen. HxH is overhyped garbage and Nen is a horrible plot device that can do whatever the fuck the author wants at any point in time with no restrictions whatsoever. Its already bad for Nen that has a lose definition. Then in comes the SPECIALIZATION TYPE and shit hits the fan hard. You are only fond of the ad-hoc explanations that the author throws out to justify his horrible creation.

BM uses CoA subconsciously. This does not mean that BMs CoA is active permanently. It may only trigger if shes about to get harmed. She is also supposed to be a beast. Her having unnaturally high haki reservers would be a non-issue story wise.
Fujis CoO is also just a very basic level. He senses people or objects. This is really the absolute most basic form of CoO. It should therefore not be very draining. After all, this form is active near permanently for everyone who has it. WB had it on while he slept. Having this version on at all times is the bare minimum requirement to not get caught off guard by sneak attacks.
What is blud talking about 💀

Nen is one of the most consistent and logical magic systems in manga. And one of the best among fiction.

Did you completely sleep through the concept of Nen Contracts?
 
#33
It can change ones body. It can become any material with any property. It can also be stored in object and activated by an action to run a CD player or w/e. It is almost sentient.
Dude you are tripping if you honestly believe its consistent.
It is consistent in one way only and that is that it can do whatever the fuck the author wants or needs at any point in time.

If you call haki garbage then Nen is a huge steaming pile of manure.
 
#34
It can change ones body. It can become any material with any property. It can also be stored in object and activated by an action to run a CD player or w/e. It is almost sentient.
Dude you are tripping if you honestly believe its consistent.
It is consistent in one way only and that is that it can do whatever the fuck the author wants or needs at any point in time.

If you call haki garbage then Nen is a huge steaming pile of manure.
Dude, you’re a clown. That’s not being inconsistent. That’s expanding the possibilities of a magic system, as the audience and characters learn more about it. Togashi does it. Sanderson does it. Gege does it. Even Oda does it.

Changing one’s body - Manipulation is literally what it says on the tin can. One of its uses being the ability to warp one’s body. Enhancement can just enhance muscle mass or size.

Become any material with any property - That’s literally Conjuration, something that was known since Heaven’s Arena and Yorknew. Creating materials requires image training. Imposing any property is a matter of desire and Nen Contract.

It can also be stored in object and activated by an action to run a CD player - Are you high? Be honest. Because this was literally the first use of Nen, with Hisoka’s cards. Then Illumi’s needles. Then Gido’s tops. Then Ging’s tape. This is the absolute worst point you could use to badmouth Nen.
 
#35
He does. And his magic system is designed to be FUCKING EVERYTHING. Investiture is mass, its energy, its sentient, its inactive, its everything.
What Sanderson does in his books is not any better than Nen. Its basically the same.
This is the absolute worst point you could use to badmouth Nen.
"It was used in the manga early so you can not use it as an argument against it."
Lmao.

Nen is not being consistent. It has so much leeway that ANYTHING GOES. That is the opposite of consistency. The only thing Nen can not do is the same that Investiture can not do. Backwards time travel.
Very offensive, I know.
 

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#36
there is no haki "reserves" for anyone in this show except Luffy...everyone else spam haki left and right like anything except Luffy...it is the only way Oda was able to "creatively" think to "restrict" G4...
Zoro said that he couldn't go all out with his haki vs King for a long time, so he also had haki reserves.
 
#37
Zoro said that he couldn't go all out with his haki vs King for a long time, so he also had haki reserves.
Didn't this have moreso to do with Zoro being uncharacteristically fearful of Rnma possibly killing him with its Haki draining ability, resulting in him holding back his Haki to prevent such a death?
 
#38
Didn't this have moreso to do with Zoro being uncharacteristically fearful of Rnma possibly killing him with its Haki draining ability, resulting in him holding back his Haki to prevent such a death?
No . Zoro maxes out his halo to all 3 swords so that he is capable of using enma without it going haywire. Emma has a threshold of halo that it needs so that it can function without hindering its user .
 
#40
He does. And his magic system is designed to be FUCKING EVERYTHING. Investiture is mass, its energy, its sentient, its inactive, its everything.
What Sanderson does in his books is not any better than Nen. Its basically the same.

"It was used in the manga early so you can not use it as an argument against it."
Lmao.

Nen is not being consistent. It has so much leeway that ANYTHING GOES. That is the opposite of consistency. The only thing Nen can not do is the same that Investiture can not do. Backwards time travel.
Very offensive, I know.
If Nen followed “ANYTHING GOES” we would be seeing shit like time travel or black holes. There is an entire system to Nen that dictates many abilities must have self imposed rules.

It’s okay if you don’t like how Nen is written. It’s okay if you don’t like Nen abilities. But don’t act like Nen or Investiture aren’t consistent. I don’t know why you’re trying to badmouth other magic systems in a thread about Haki.
 
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