This thread needs to be moved back to where it was. Yes, politics can get heated and toxic but unless things get really out of hand (death threats and hate speech), I don't see a reason for the thread to be effectively killed. I understand it can be a headache when things do go south and I mean no disrespect to the moderators but it comes with the territory. Its important for a community to be able to express it's views on topics that matter.
Hard disagree
This is the perfect place for it - for the people that actually want to discuss their political standings to seek out the thread for it
You know why it "died"?
Because, before, it was smack dab in everyone's face in the What's New section and people used it to shitpost (we already have the Waiting Room for that).
The handful of guys that want to talk politics every day are welcome to come here and actually discuss without side comments and trolling
And to add to this real quick, nobody was talking actual politics. It was always gender, pronouns and religion. Sensitive topics yes, but not politics.
And to add to this real quick, nobody was talking actual politics. It was always gender, pronouns and religion. Sensitive topics yes, but not politics.
Those are still political subjects. In fact they are extremelly political in a world where the majority of the planet calls for a ban off Trans People, a rejection of LGBQ+ and put a knee on the heads of "Woke" people. Sometime literally.
I think it would be more productive to talk about real statistics, policies, which politicians to vote for.
Fighting back at "there are only 2 genders" won't bring you/them more allies.
I think what he is being trying to say is that science can't really prove metaphysical and abstract concepts like morality.If that is so,he is correct.There is nothing inherently good or bad in nature.Morality is a human concept.
I think what he is being trying to say is that science can't really prove metaphysical and abstract concepts like morality.If that is so,he is correct.There is nothing inherently good or bad in nature.Morality is a human concept.
The question is that science, by it's own nature, can't say nothing about the status of validation of a concept like morality. However, it results can be used as an account framework in order to naturalize this phenomeneon encapsulated my the concept of morality (as an exemple: Millikan's teleossemantics).
Ok, eliminativists says that we can eliminate such concepts replacing them by a fully scientific description, but I'm very skeptical about this for several reasons, but the most important reason it's because the normativity of concepts is the locus of human rationality and can't be ignored in any materialist framework
I think what he is being trying to say is that science can't really prove metaphysical and abstract concepts like morality.If that is so,he is correct.There is nothing inherently good or bad in nature.Morality is a human concept.
The fact of the matter is that there is no scarcity of resources. There is enough land to house every migrant, homeless person, and make rent many times cheaper.
The issue is that doing this would go against the wishes of the people who own the land, who wish to extract as much profit as they can from it.
Perhaps instead of being angry at poor and powerless migrants, fleeing detestable conditions abroad, these people should direct their anger at those who perpetuate a system that enriches the wealthy and pits the working class against each other.
The fact of the matter is that there is no scarcity of resources. There is enough land to house every migrant, homeless person, and make rent many times cheaper.
The issue is that doing this would go against the wishes of the people who own the land, who wish to extract as much profit as they can from it.
Perhaps instead of being angry at poor and powerless migrants, fleeing detestable conditions abroad, these people should direct their anger at those who perpetuate a system that enriches the wealthy and pits the working class against each other.
Questioning private property = communism
and communism = eeeevil
in the minds of Americans.
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just look how people reacted to the affordable care act. It wasn’t even real socialized medicine and yet look how the American right characterized it.
Americans have an unwavering devotion to capitalism to an extent comparable to religion. Capitalism is simply beyond criticism for too many Americans.
But if you think about it rationally for two seconds, this pro-capitalist narrative pushed by the media just makes zero sense.
Why should the economy be organized so that a minority of people own the majority of resources? Do you not see the inefficiency of an economy where a capitalist must grab profits at every single corner?
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I’m not saying we need to overthrow the government and install a communist regime.
But Americans shouldn’t be so afraid to take any sort of steps to curtail the excesses of capitalism, just because of some baseless fear that any limits to the power of the capitalists will somehow turn America into the USSR.
Use your brain cells
capitalism isn’t inherently good
And socialism isn’t inherently evil
The fact of the matter is, leftist policies have succeeded in most places where they were implemented.
Communism turned Russia and its surrounding countries into a superpower that rivaled the US
Something very similar is also happening in China with china becoming a near developed country in the past century
These nations aren’t perfect. Far from it. There are obviously things that were very wrong with these regimes.
However to act like there’s nothing we could learn from them is the height of ignorance imo.
Questioning private property = communism
and communism = eeeevil
in the minds of Americans.
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just look how people reacted to the affordable care act. It wasn’t even real socialized medicine and yet look how the American right characterized it.
Americans have an unwavering devotion to capitalism to an extent comparable to religion. Capitalism is simply beyond criticism for too many Americans.
But if you think about it rationally for two seconds, this pro-capitalist narrative pushed by the media just makes zero sense.
Why should the economy be organized so that a minority of people own the majority of resources? Do you not see the inefficiency of an economy where a capitalist must grab profits at every single corner?
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I’m not saying we need to overthrow the government and install a communist regime.
But Americans shouldn’t be so afraid to take any sort of steps to curtail the excesses of capitalism, just because of some baseless fear that any limits to the power of the capitalists will somehow turn America into the USSR.
Use your brain cells
capitalism isn’t inherently good
And socialism isn’t inherently evil
The fact of the matter is, leftist policies have succeeded in most places where they were implemented.
Communism turned Russia and its surrounding countries into a superpower that rivaled the US
Something very similar is also happening in China with china becoming a near developed country in the past century
These nations aren’t perfect. Far from it. There are obviously things that were very wrong with these regimes.
However to act like there’s nothing we could learn from them is the height of ignorance imo.
Questioning private property = communism
and communism = eeeevil
in the minds of Americans.
Post automatically merged:
just look how people reacted to the affordable care act. It wasn’t even real socialized medicine and yet look how the American right characterized it.
Americans have an unwavering devotion to capitalism to an extent comparable to religion. Capitalism is simply beyond criticism for too many Americans.
But if you think about it rationally for two seconds, this pro-capitalist narrative pushed by the media just makes zero sense.
Why should the economy be organized so that a minority of people own the majority of resources? Do you not see the inefficiency of an economy where a capitalist must grab profits at every single corner?
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I’m not saying we need to overthrow the government and install a communist regime.
But Americans shouldn’t be so afraid to take any sort of steps to curtail the excesses of capitalism, just because of some baseless fear that any limits to the power of the capitalists will somehow turn America into the USSR.
Use your brain cells
capitalism isn’t inherently good
And socialism isn’t inherently evil
The fact of the matter is, leftist policies have succeeded in most places where they were implemented.
Communism turned Russia and its surrounding countries into a superpower that rivaled the US
Something very similar is also happening in China with china becoming a near developed country in the past century
These nations aren’t perfect. Far from it. There are obviously things that were very wrong with these regimes.
However to act like there’s nothing we could learn from them is the height of ignorance imo.
Communism produced the most genocides and dictatorships that we know of in history.The USSR crumbled from within due to corruption,bad management and lack of efficiency.China is only a superpower thanks to western capitalism.All political/economical systems end up in concentration of wealth(communism included).Communism creates a centralized government that controls all wealth and power.Its even worse than capitalism in the regards you are criticizing capitalism.At least in capitalism,power should be decentralized if its a democratic country.Communism produces nothing good.
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