Versus Battle Post Rose Meruem vs Charlotte Katakuri
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He can be scaled because his position, his bounty and the scaling from other characters. I know that is probably not enough for you, so i will try to bring some other points:
Even without Haki protection, Katakuri tanked attacks from Luffy without much effort. Remember what i said before, Luffy already destroyed a Pacifista before in Base.
Source: One Piece Wiki
This guy alone has a durability which is several times harder then steel. Also if the Haki of Katakuri is superior to Luffy, then his stats are higher then Luffys as well. Only because Luffy has the advantage to have resistance against Blunt Force, doesn´t mean his later enemies are inferior to the other ones. By that logic, Moria should be higher then Katakuri but he can´t even keep up with Doflamingo (And either Moria, nor Doflamingo have statwise a physical advantage due their devil fruit. Someone like Garp deformed Don Chinjao his head, which was known for splitting an ice continent. He even stated that he destroyed 8 mountains before he fought against him.
And neither Garp, nor Don Chinjao has a Devil Fruit. Don Chinjao has a former bounty from 500.000.000, while Katakuri has double.
The physics of OP characters even without Devil Fruits are fine, as you can see. With Haki, they can even increase the power. I mean Luffy tanked a punch from Sengoku, who uses even Haki (The reason why Luffy spat blood) and Sengoku is far beyond the niveau of a Moria.
Why not? It is an accepted feat.
Why it doesn´t make sense? Someone like Garp destroyed 8 mountains, someone like Whitebeard can create quakes that deformed that splitted the Marineford, someone like Don Chinjao destroyed an ice continent (Oc that isn´t impressive since ice never has the same density lmao), Zoro cut a mountain sized Golem which was made of different minerals, etc.
There is no point to think that is PIS, the entire Birdcage feat was a relevant part of the story.
I agree at this point, but that wasn´t the reason why i brought up the Birdcage. I brought it up to show you, that the OP characters can bring up in terms of physics and/or in terms of abilities a destruction which surpasses the mountain scale.
Of course we have to differentiate between the relevance of abilities and the stats, they are complete different. Someone like Meruem can cause more damage with his blasts, then with his own physics, unless i forget something.
So has Katakuri, based on the attacks that he tanked from Luffy. And we talked about attacks which surpasses steal several times.
Even without Haki protection, Katakuri tanked attacks from Luffy without much effort. Remember what i said before, Luffy already destroyed a Pacifista before in Base.
Source: One Piece Wiki
This guy alone has a durability which is several times harder then steel. Also if the Haki of Katakuri is superior to Luffy, then his stats are higher then Luffys as well. Only because Luffy has the advantage to have resistance against Blunt Force, doesn´t mean his later enemies are inferior to the other ones. By that logic, Moria should be higher then Katakuri but he can´t even keep up with Doflamingo (And either Moria, nor Doflamingo have statwise a physical advantage due their devil fruit. Someone like Garp deformed Don Chinjao his head, which was known for splitting an ice continent. He even stated that he destroyed 8 mountains before he fought against him.
And neither Garp, nor Don Chinjao has a Devil Fruit. Don Chinjao has a former bounty from 500.000.000, while Katakuri has double.
The physics of OP characters even without Devil Fruits are fine, as you can see. With Haki, they can even increase the power. I mean Luffy tanked a punch from Sengoku, who uses even Haki (The reason why Luffy spat blood) and Sengoku is far beyond the niveau of a Moria.
Why not? It is an accepted feat.
Why it doesn´t make sense? Someone like Garp destroyed 8 mountains, someone like Whitebeard can create quakes that deformed that splitted the Marineford, someone like Don Chinjao destroyed an ice continent (Oc that isn´t impressive since ice never has the same density lmao), Zoro cut a mountain sized Golem which was made of different minerals, etc.
There is no point to think that is PIS, the entire Birdcage feat was a relevant part of the story.
I agree at this point, but that wasn´t the reason why i brought up the Birdcage. I brought it up to show you, that the OP characters can bring up in terms of physics and/or in terms of abilities a destruction which surpasses the mountain scale.
Of course we have to differentiate between the relevance of abilities and the stats, they are complete different. Someone like Meruem can cause more damage with his blasts, then with his own physics, unless i forget something.
So has Katakuri, based on the attacks that he tanked from Luffy. And we talked about attacks which surpasses steal several times.
Okay, explain why people, using sites completely unbiased, are apparently delusional when a few users ALREADY admitted their bias towards HxH.
And explain why Meruem beats Katakuri, go on.
Why is Meruem faster?
Why is Meruem stronger?
Can you explain it or are you keep writing your usual nonsense?
G4th would straight up murder Meruem like an actual ant given the huge difference in AP (large mountain level >>> city level).
And resulting on memeing and trolling just proves your lack of arguments and evidence even further. Keep trying.
That's false.
Once again: You literally ignore the fact that Katakuri matched and injured a mode of Luffy which 1) is at the top of high tiers in terms of AP (scaling to Prime Chinjao), 2) can rattle the hardening elbow of one of the physical strongest top tiers on a direct powerstruggle; hence said top tier even performed worse than said mode although she is a physical beast.
Katakuri went toe to toe against Snake Man and dealt equal blows on him - Snake Man, despite being physically weaker, is still on the same ballpark like Chinjao. As I said, AP is the energy required for DC and although Snake Man unleashes his energy differently, he is still on the same level.
Even against Bound Man, Katakuri managed to deflect its Kong Gun with his Power Mochi. Although deflecting does not equalize equal strength towards an attack, it is an indication of pure and a matching power.
Proven by Zoro against Oars.
Proven by Sanji against Oars.
Did Kaido destroy SOMETHING?! He just melted the peak of a mountain - that's an Elephant Gun feat. So Kaido's offensive strength is only G3 level? And he one shot Luffy with an attack which did not even destroy a single surrounding building? So Kaido's club attack is not even building level?
I hope you understand the flaws into your argument.
And explain why Meruem beats Katakuri, go on.
Why is Meruem faster?
Why is Meruem stronger?
Can you explain it or are you keep writing your usual nonsense?
G4th would straight up murder Meruem like an actual ant given the huge difference in AP (large mountain level >>> city level).
And resulting on memeing and trolling just proves your lack of arguments and evidence even further. Keep trying.
That's false.
Once again: You literally ignore the fact that Katakuri matched and injured a mode of Luffy which 1) is at the top of high tiers in terms of AP (scaling to Prime Chinjao), 2) can rattle the hardening elbow of one of the physical strongest top tiers on a direct powerstruggle; hence said top tier even performed worse than said mode although she is a physical beast.
Katakuri went toe to toe against Snake Man and dealt equal blows on him - Snake Man, despite being physically weaker, is still on the same ballpark like Chinjao. As I said, AP is the energy required for DC and although Snake Man unleashes his energy differently, he is still on the same level.
Even against Bound Man, Katakuri managed to deflect its Kong Gun with his Power Mochi. Although deflecting does not equalize equal strength towards an attack, it is an indication of pure and a matching power.
Proven by Zoro against Oars.
Proven by Sanji against Oars.
Did Kaido destroy SOMETHING?! He just melted the peak of a mountain - that's an Elephant Gun feat. So Kaido's offensive strength is only G3 level? And he one shot Luffy with an attack which did not even destroy a single surrounding building? So Kaido's club attack is not even building level?
I hope you understand the flaws into your argument.
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Drop it bro, i apologized to @SethTrollins i don't believe i was in the wrong but there was no need for me to be aggressive lmfao.
Injuring G4 Luffy does not mean he has G4 Luffy DC/AP. His haki can simply bypass Luffy's haki because it is superior to his. The extra rubber durabiliy is also useless because he is using haki. Even fricking Cracker can injure G4 Luffy. Does he scale to mountain lvl? Stop giving Katakuri G4 feats just cause he can harm him.
Snakeman has not shown any DC close to Boundman. So this argument is dumb. Stop scaling saying to Chinjoa....like scaling to him is an actual argument lmao. And yh deflecting dont mean shit...especially when Power Mochi is his second strongest physical attack and cant even match a Kong Gun.
Kaido still hasnt gone all out....Katakuri has💀. Stop these bad statements. You can scale Boro Breath to G3 if you want lol....
Tell me how Katakuri gonna dodge consecutive Hill sized expkosions ?
Snakeman has not shown any DC close to Boundman. So this argument is dumb. Stop scaling saying to Chinjoa....like scaling to him is an actual argument lmao. And yh deflecting dont mean shit...especially when Power Mochi is his second strongest physical attack and cant even match a Kong Gun.
Kaido still hasnt gone all out....Katakuri has💀. Stop these bad statements. You can scale Boro Breath to G3 if you want lol....
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Tell me how Katakuri gonna dodge consecutive Hill sized expkosions ?
Yh but he still got injured. Pacifista is more durable than Katakuri ( ignoring hos Mochi body) but unlike Katakuri....their endurance is limited to a pre timeskip. They made out of machinery that will explode because theyre not fully human. Kuma and Franky are humans first, and look at them. Kuma's durability is no different to a normal Pacifista....but he doesnt explode like them, and Franky is as durable as them at best. But he still wont explode. You think Luffy can oneshot Kuma the same way he did a Pacifista...
Its obvious humans are different to them. They have pain tolerances and endurance to keep them afloat. Look at Sanji comparing Vergo to iron ( which is weaker than steel) however he can oneshot a Pacifista.
@Rosella.Fiamingo help me out here. This dude is sayong humans have steel like durability. Tell him theyre all below tree lvl lmaooo
No he dont...and no having superior CoA doesnt mean having superior stats. You are just regressing now.
I never said his later enemies are inferior. Im just saying you cant scale off the previous ones cause they never used haki to bypass the rubber durability.
Sengoku never showed an Island lvl punch. Moriah and Shadow of Asgard Moriah are two different people. Asgard Moriah is a pure glass cannon, like Enel.
Who even accepts that shit.
Yh and unlike any of them....Doffy hasnt shown the birdcage in any fight. He hasnt been shown to be able to use it in a 1 v 1 or any kind of fight. Its just a dumb useless ability. That shouldnt be scaled off cause he wont even use it in a fight.
I could easily just say Mereum flying around and spamming his lazer beam would eventually destroy an Island. And then scaling off....Mereum has proven to be Island lvl. Thats how stupid it is to scale off the Birdcage. The birdcage is a slow, useless ability that has massive AoE but is just cutting rock at the end of the day. Like you said.....Rock isnt impressive right.
Literally only tanked like 2 of his hits without haki.
Heres Luffy's haki attack interacting with steel. This time no explosive Pacifista.
As you can see, all Luffy can do it dent it. Due to not having explosive machinery, he couldnt destroy the shell. Only leave his imprint on it.
Katakuri's body isnt as hard as steel. Narratively it doesnt even make sense, since his mochi allows him to be dodging all the
Its obvious humans are different to them. They have pain tolerances and endurance to keep them afloat. Look at Sanji comparing Vergo to iron ( which is weaker than steel) however he can oneshot a Pacifista.
@Rosella.Fiamingo help me out here. This dude is sayong humans have steel like durability. Tell him theyre all below tree lvl lmaooo
No he dont...and no having superior CoA doesnt mean having superior stats. You are just regressing now.
I never said his later enemies are inferior. Im just saying you cant scale off the previous ones cause they never used haki to bypass the rubber durability.
Sengoku never showed an Island lvl punch. Moriah and Shadow of Asgard Moriah are two different people. Asgard Moriah is a pure glass cannon, like Enel.
Who even accepts that shit.
Yh and unlike any of them....Doffy hasnt shown the birdcage in any fight. He hasnt been shown to be able to use it in a 1 v 1 or any kind of fight. Its just a dumb useless ability. That shouldnt be scaled off cause he wont even use it in a fight.
I could easily just say Mereum flying around and spamming his lazer beam would eventually destroy an Island. And then scaling off....Mereum has proven to be Island lvl. Thats how stupid it is to scale off the Birdcage. The birdcage is a slow, useless ability that has massive AoE but is just cutting rock at the end of the day. Like you said.....Rock isnt impressive right.
Literally only tanked like 2 of his hits without haki.
Heres Luffy's haki attack interacting with steel. This time no explosive Pacifista.
As you can see, all Luffy can do it dent it. Due to not having explosive machinery, he couldnt destroy the shell. Only leave his imprint on it.
Katakuri's body isnt as hard as steel. Narratively it doesnt even make sense, since his mochi allows him to be dodging all the
No, it means he is in the same ballpark with other high tiers - being large mountain level.
And you are disregarding another argument once again: Katakuri went toe to toe against Snake Man and dealt equal blows on him - Snake Man, despite being physically weaker, is still on the same ballpark like Chinjao. As I said, AP is the energy required for DC and although Snake Man unleashes his energy differently, he is still on the same level.
Stop fucking skimming my posts and start reading them first already...
So Katakuri's AP can match Luffy's regardless of the circumstances.
That's another proof.
Bound Man uses hardening + rubbery for its durability.
Snake Man, although being physically weaker, uses the same mechanics and yet, Katakuri managed to injure Snake Man with his own attacks.
Furthermore, there are literally instances of Katakuri matching Snake Man blows for blows - his ultimate attack, Diced Mochi, is on par with King Cobra, receiving superior portrayal against Bound Man's Kong Gun.
Yes.
Yes.
Stop skimming through arguments which were repeated for the millionth time.
False, he can harm and match him. Everything fits in favor of Katakuri easily scaling to Chinjao's feat due to him harming and matching G4th.
Wtf are you on about?
Snake Man, despite punching weaker than Bound Man still has the same energy output, he just uses it differently; mainly for speed. Bound Man and Tank Man are both the same G4th form with the same amount of energy; its usage of the energy is just different.
You are making no sense, dude.
Kizaru is on the same ballpark like Whitebeard despite having less destructive attacks in terms of Area of Effect. He still scales to Akainu whom matched Whitebeard's AP feats with his own.
It is not, you are just delusional.
Why shouldn't I?
Explain me a valid reason why I shouldn't scale Katakuri to Chinjao. This scaling was accepted in both VSBattles Wiki AND OBD/narutoforums.
And that's the next moment for repeating my argument: It is not the question whether characters are featless or not, it is about the question whether characters are still on that certain level although they have not shown the same amount of destruction.
You literally ignore all previous feats, statements AND scaling to think Katakuri is only building level. Like you reset everything on zero and then you start measuring Katakuri's feats.
That's not how it works. Oda wrote +800 previous chapters of different arcs, different feats, different statements and different scaling (although Oda kinda sucks at it but this does not matter on crossover battles) before he started writing Katakuri's entire moveset.
Dude, do you even realise how ridiculous this statement is? Here's another part:
We have Hit (Dragon Ball Super) matching SSJB Goku who is universe+ level. Did Hit even show mountain level feats to suggest he is a planet buster? How comes people put him on par with universal busters?
What's about Jiren? Did he destroy something as well? No, hence he is also called wall level durability Jiren. Meruem beats him with his hill level beam, right?!
Fuck, did the cyborgs even destroy something more than cities? Are they only city level for destroying cities or what?
Think, think before you type.
It's the contrast proven by Zoro and Sanji.
Your statement is baseless and thus, irrelevant.
Katakuri's Power Mochi is superior to his Block Mochi which equally clashed against Snake Man's Jet Culverins; his feet effortlessly blocked another Jet Culverin, without haki or something like that.
Snake Man is equal to Bound Man in terms of powerlevel, it's just a different mode with different mechanism.
No limit fallacy.
Kaido has not shown anything to suggest he is on the same pedestal like Prime Chinjao, let alone the Admirals and Whitebeard. He only has G3 level of AP.
That's literally your logic; disregarding previous feats, reseting everything from zero and THEN measuring the character's feats. That's what you have done with Katakuri as well.
Could you bring up more valid arguments instead of repeating these silly phrases like a broken record? If not, stop wasting my time with irrelevant nonsense.
Just admit that you were wrong and stop acting that ignorant, lol.
You gain absolutely nothing from this nonsense. Neither does it make your argument better, nor does it make Meruem better. He is still city level character in which he is just significantly weaker than Katakuri.
And you are disregarding another argument once again: Katakuri went toe to toe against Snake Man and dealt equal blows on him - Snake Man, despite being physically weaker, is still on the same ballpark like Chinjao. As I said, AP is the energy required for DC and although Snake Man unleashes his energy differently, he is still on the same level.
Stop fucking skimming my posts and start reading them first already...
So Katakuri's AP can match Luffy's regardless of the circumstances.
That's another proof.
Bound Man uses hardening + rubbery for its durability.
Snake Man, although being physically weaker, uses the same mechanics and yet, Katakuri managed to injure Snake Man with his own attacks.
Furthermore, there are literally instances of Katakuri matching Snake Man blows for blows - his ultimate attack, Diced Mochi, is on par with King Cobra, receiving superior portrayal against Bound Man's Kong Gun.
Yes.
Yes.
Stop skimming through arguments which were repeated for the millionth time.
False, he can harm and match him. Everything fits in favor of Katakuri easily scaling to Chinjao's feat due to him harming and matching G4th.
Wtf are you on about?
Snake Man, despite punching weaker than Bound Man still has the same energy output, he just uses it differently; mainly for speed. Bound Man and Tank Man are both the same G4th form with the same amount of energy; its usage of the energy is just different.
You are making no sense, dude.
Kizaru is on the same ballpark like Whitebeard despite having less destructive attacks in terms of Area of Effect. He still scales to Akainu whom matched Whitebeard's AP feats with his own.
It is not, you are just delusional.
Why shouldn't I?
Explain me a valid reason why I shouldn't scale Katakuri to Chinjao. This scaling was accepted in both VSBattles Wiki AND OBD/narutoforums.
And that's the next moment for repeating my argument: It is not the question whether characters are featless or not, it is about the question whether characters are still on that certain level although they have not shown the same amount of destruction.
You literally ignore all previous feats, statements AND scaling to think Katakuri is only building level. Like you reset everything on zero and then you start measuring Katakuri's feats.
That's not how it works. Oda wrote +800 previous chapters of different arcs, different feats, different statements and different scaling (although Oda kinda sucks at it but this does not matter on crossover battles) before he started writing Katakuri's entire moveset.
Dude, do you even realise how ridiculous this statement is? Here's another part:
We have Hit (Dragon Ball Super) matching SSJB Goku who is universe+ level. Did Hit even show mountain level feats to suggest he is a planet buster? How comes people put him on par with universal busters?
What's about Jiren? Did he destroy something as well? No, hence he is also called wall level durability Jiren. Meruem beats him with his hill level beam, right?!
Fuck, did the cyborgs even destroy something more than cities? Are they only city level for destroying cities or what?
Think, think before you type.
It's the contrast proven by Zoro and Sanji.
Your statement is baseless and thus, irrelevant.
Katakuri's Power Mochi is superior to his Block Mochi which equally clashed against Snake Man's Jet Culverins; his feet effortlessly blocked another Jet Culverin, without haki or something like that.
Snake Man is equal to Bound Man in terms of powerlevel, it's just a different mode with different mechanism.
No limit fallacy.
Kaido has not shown anything to suggest he is on the same pedestal like Prime Chinjao, let alone the Admirals and Whitebeard. He only has G3 level of AP.
That's literally your logic; disregarding previous feats, reseting everything from zero and THEN measuring the character's feats. That's what you have done with Katakuri as well.
Could you bring up more valid arguments instead of repeating these silly phrases like a broken record? If not, stop wasting my time with irrelevant nonsense.
Just admit that you were wrong and stop acting that ignorant, lol.
You gain absolutely nothing from this nonsense. Neither does it make your argument better, nor does it make Meruem better. He is still city level character in which he is just significantly weaker than Katakuri.
And how long will it take for him? And how is that relevant for injuring another character with island level durability if his attacks are still massively weaker?
It's like saying "WB can destroy the world by spamming his quakes and so he can defeat Saiyan Saga Vegeta as well.".
I'm afraid but that's not how it works.
It's like saying "WB can destroy the world by spamming his quakes and so he can defeat Saiyan Saga Vegeta as well.".
I'm afraid but that's not how it works.
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I think Meruem beats Katakuri and you do not and it's completely okay I shouldn't jump and judge you because of your opinion in the first place my fault I apologize.
I'm this way because of what I read both in One Piece and Hunter x Hunter.
Mereum is the strongest being in Hunter x Hunter and I view his presence in HxH as equivalent to One Piece's Yonko.
I would have no problem if this matchup was Katakuri against Royal Guards.
I think we just need to letter both Oda and Togashi to let them prove us wrong or not
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I think Meruem beats Katakuri and you do not and it's completely okay I shouldn't jump and judge you because of your opinion in the first place my fault I apologize.
I'm this way because of what I read both in One Piece and Hunter x Hunter.
Mereum is the strongest being in Hunter x Hunter and I view his presence in HxH as equivalent to One Piece's Yonko.
I would have no problem if this matchup was Katakuri against Royal Guards.
I think we just need to letter both Oda and Togashi to let them prove us wrong or not
Again it doesnt.
And I told you Snakeman isnt even comparable to Boundman. So its a dumb argument to use.
Ok lol
No just cause you have better CoA doesnt mean you have more AP. Boundman's AP also comes from the rubber muscle like ability it does. Shooting out his fists and what not. Its not just a simple punch.
Comparing Snakeman's durability to Boundman's. Is like comparing Boundman's durability to Tankman's. Its desperate and pathetic. Nowhere has it shown that Snakeman has comparable durabilty. Stop using Snakeman as an argument....please.
Yes the energy output is for different thing. Youve just admitted Snakeman uses it for speed. So then why tf are you bringing up AP like its comparable. Cause it aint..
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Ok im just gonna stop here. You seem so far up their ass, theres no saving you.
Ballpark this, Energy that....not one good reason to rank Katakuri at G4 lvl AP.
Like you act dumb on purpose for example this post
Like why compare Kaido whos barely gone all out to Katakuri....I have done nothing Katakuri has shown his moveset and hes trash. Whilst Kaido still hasnt. They are not comparable.
These dumb arguments being thrown at me....like
Im outtie for now
So base haki kick = hill lvl
Good to know.
And I told you Snakeman isnt even comparable to Boundman. So its a dumb argument to use.
Ok lol
No just cause you have better CoA doesnt mean you have more AP. Boundman's AP also comes from the rubber muscle like ability it does. Shooting out his fists and what not. Its not just a simple punch.
Comparing Snakeman's durability to Boundman's. Is like comparing Boundman's durability to Tankman's. Its desperate and pathetic. Nowhere has it shown that Snakeman has comparable durabilty. Stop using Snakeman as an argument....please.
Yes the energy output is for different thing. Youve just admitted Snakeman uses it for speed. So then why tf are you bringing up AP like its comparable. Cause it aint..
........
Ok im just gonna stop here. You seem so far up their ass, theres no saving you.
Ballpark this, Energy that....not one good reason to rank Katakuri at G4 lvl AP.
Like you act dumb on purpose for example this post
Like why compare Kaido whos barely gone all out to Katakuri....I have done nothing Katakuri has shown his moveset and hes trash. Whilst Kaido still hasnt. They are not comparable.
These dumb arguments being thrown at me....like
Im outtie for now
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So base haki kick = hill lvl
Good to know.
Again it doesnt.
And I told you Snakeman isnt even comparable to Boundman. So its a dumb argument to use.
Ok lol
No just cause you have better CoA doesnt mean you have more AP. Boundman's AP also comes from the rubber muscle like ability it does. Shooting out his fists and what not. Its not just a simple punch.
Comparing Snakeman's durability to Boundman's. Is like comparing Boundman's durability to Tankman's. Its desperate and pathetic. Nowhere has it shown that Snakeman has comparable durabilty. Stop using Snakeman as an argument....please.
Yes the energy output is for different thing. Youve just admitted Snakeman uses it for speed. So then why tf are you bringing up AP like its comparable. Cause it aint..
........
Ok im just gonna stop here. You seem so far up their ass, theres no saving you.
Ballpark this, Energy that....not one good reason to rank Katakuri at G4 lvl AP.
Like you act dumb on purpose for example this post
Like why compare Kaido whos barely gone all out to Katakuri....I have done nothing Katakuri has shown his moveset and hes trash. Whilst Kaido still hasnt. They are not comparable.
These dumb arguments being thrown at me....like
Im outtie for now
So base haki kick = hill lvl
Good to know.
And I told you Snakeman isnt even comparable to Boundman. So its a dumb argument to use.
Ok lol
No just cause you have better CoA doesnt mean you have more AP. Boundman's AP also comes from the rubber muscle like ability it does. Shooting out his fists and what not. Its not just a simple punch.
Comparing Snakeman's durability to Boundman's. Is like comparing Boundman's durability to Tankman's. Its desperate and pathetic. Nowhere has it shown that Snakeman has comparable durabilty. Stop using Snakeman as an argument....please.
Yes the energy output is for different thing. Youve just admitted Snakeman uses it for speed. So then why tf are you bringing up AP like its comparable. Cause it aint..
........
Ok im just gonna stop here. You seem so far up their ass, theres no saving you.
Ballpark this, Energy that....not one good reason to rank Katakuri at G4 lvl AP.
Like you act dumb on purpose for example this post
Like why compare Kaido whos barely gone all out to Katakuri....I have done nothing Katakuri has shown his moveset and hes trash. Whilst Kaido still hasnt. They are not comparable.
These dumb arguments being thrown at me....like
Im outtie for now
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So base haki kick = hill lvl
Good to know.
And why Base Haki?Snakeman was needed to "defeat" Kata
It does.
Which is factually wrong.
Once again: Snake Man, despite punching weaker than Bound Man still has the same energy output, he just uses it differently; mainly for speed. Bound Man and Tank Man are both the same G4th form with the same amount of energy; its usage of the energy is just different.
You are making no sense, dude.
Kizaru is on the same ballpark like Whitebeard despite having less destructive attacks in terms of Area of Effect. He still scales to Akainu whom matched Whitebeard's AP feats with his own.
Snake Man is physically weaker but the differences are not far off in which we could say that Snake Man would not even match Bound Man if it was the case. Snake Man's punches are weaker but on a fight, Snake Man still can match Bound Man with its own speed and strength, although he might lose a powerstruggle against Bound Man.
They are simply on the same ballpark, on the same level. I've brought up Kizaru as an example but you ignored this as well. Why do I even bother explaining you all that shit? You literally ignore 80% from that shit anyways, lol.
You still didn't. =/
So better CoA does not increase your attack potency? I don't understand this, that's flawed.
Yep, I did mention that.
I know but as I said, the mechanics do not matter, the AP itself only matters.
Yeah, what's the problem?
Bound Man can tank attacks from the same ballpark better than Snake Man and so can Tank Man. That does not downgrade them an entire tier, lol.
And now tell me, does Kizaru suddenly not have small continent level durability because Kaido can tank attacks from the same ballpark better?
Nothing is more desperate and pathetic than clinging onto your own flawed powerscaling that much in which you tend to throw phrases like "You can scale Boro Breath to G3 if you want lol...." just to determinate your bias towards an ant even further.
Yeah, nowhere? Why?
He suddenly cannot tank mountain level attacks because Bound Man's durability is higher?
For the case that you still did not realised it but: This is the multiverse battledome section. Inverse battle logic does not really matter here.
Characters are on certain levels when put together. It is highly irrelevant whether Bound Man is physically stronger or not since both forms are on the same level regardless.
I won't because there is no reason to keep Snake Man away from this discussion when said mode is still on the same ballpark like other high tiers who were scaled to Chinjao regardless.
Yep.
Yep.
Lmao, you still did not get anything.
To put it like that: Freezer has his Death Beam and it pierces through his opponents but his Death Ball destroyed a literal planet. So Freezer's Death Beam is not planet level because it did not show the same destruction like Death Ball?
That's AP, dude:
That goes for other kind of attacks as well. Snake Man is large mountain level but he unleashes his energy output differently.
You have just used that term attack potency wrong the entire time, that's why you are so confused about it.
You said you are gonna stop here and then you write how I'm so far up their ass in which I won't be saved anymore, lol.
Come on dude, at least try to act civil instead of acting like a disingenuous prick. You just can't stop here and there and then drop some insults towards me, what's this kindergarten?
That sums up your understanding of such things.
I SIMPLY USED YOUR OWN FUCKING LOGIC. It's literally written on the next sentence, lol.
Come on man, we have reached page 11 and no limit fallacies are still a topic here! Why are you so difficult to handle?
Now let's not result on trolling and hating, we want to be as unbiased as possible about this match-up, don't you think so? ;)
Actually, base Luffy punched Hody through a hill which was roughly 300m in height.
Nothing but superficial damage.
Which is factually wrong.
Once again: Snake Man, despite punching weaker than Bound Man still has the same energy output, he just uses it differently; mainly for speed. Bound Man and Tank Man are both the same G4th form with the same amount of energy; its usage of the energy is just different.
You are making no sense, dude.
Kizaru is on the same ballpark like Whitebeard despite having less destructive attacks in terms of Area of Effect. He still scales to Akainu whom matched Whitebeard's AP feats with his own.
Snake Man is physically weaker but the differences are not far off in which we could say that Snake Man would not even match Bound Man if it was the case. Snake Man's punches are weaker but on a fight, Snake Man still can match Bound Man with its own speed and strength, although he might lose a powerstruggle against Bound Man.
They are simply on the same ballpark, on the same level. I've brought up Kizaru as an example but you ignored this as well. Why do I even bother explaining you all that shit? You literally ignore 80% from that shit anyways, lol.
You still didn't. =/
So better CoA does not increase your attack potency? I don't understand this, that's flawed.
Yep, I did mention that.
I know but as I said, the mechanics do not matter, the AP itself only matters.
Yeah, what's the problem?
Bound Man can tank attacks from the same ballpark better than Snake Man and so can Tank Man. That does not downgrade them an entire tier, lol.
And now tell me, does Kizaru suddenly not have small continent level durability because Kaido can tank attacks from the same ballpark better?
Nothing is more desperate and pathetic than clinging onto your own flawed powerscaling that much in which you tend to throw phrases like "You can scale Boro Breath to G3 if you want lol...." just to determinate your bias towards an ant even further.
Yeah, nowhere? Why?
He suddenly cannot tank mountain level attacks because Bound Man's durability is higher?
For the case that you still did not realised it but: This is the multiverse battledome section. Inverse battle logic does not really matter here.
Characters are on certain levels when put together. It is highly irrelevant whether Bound Man is physically stronger or not since both forms are on the same level regardless.
I won't because there is no reason to keep Snake Man away from this discussion when said mode is still on the same ballpark like other high tiers who were scaled to Chinjao regardless.
Yep.
Yep.
Lmao, you still did not get anything.
To put it like that: Freezer has his Death Beam and it pierces through his opponents but his Death Ball destroyed a literal planet. So Freezer's Death Beam is not planet level because it did not show the same destruction like Death Ball?
That's AP, dude:
That goes for other kind of attacks as well. Snake Man is large mountain level but he unleashes his energy output differently.
You have just used that term attack potency wrong the entire time, that's why you are so confused about it.
You said you are gonna stop here and then you write how I'm so far up their ass in which I won't be saved anymore, lol.
Come on dude, at least try to act civil instead of acting like a disingenuous prick. You just can't stop here and there and then drop some insults towards me, what's this kindergarten?
That sums up your understanding of such things.
I SIMPLY USED YOUR OWN FUCKING LOGIC. It's literally written on the next sentence, lol.
Come on man, we have reached page 11 and no limit fallacies are still a topic here! Why are you so difficult to handle?
Now let's not result on trolling and hating, we want to be as unbiased as possible about this match-up, don't you think so? ;)
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Actually, base Luffy punched Hody through a hill which was roughly 300m in height.
Nothing but superficial damage.
It does.
Which is factually wrong.
Once again: Snake Man, despite punching weaker than Bound Man still has the same energy output, he just uses it differently; mainly for speed. Bound Man and Tank Man are both the same G4th form with the same amount of energy; its usage of the energy is just different.
You are making no sense, dude.
Kizaru is on the same ballpark like Whitebeard despite having less destructive attacks in terms of Area of Effect. He still scales to Akainu whom matched Whitebeard's AP feats with his own.
Snake Man is physically weaker but the differences are not far off in which we could say that Snake Man would not even match Bound Man if it was the case. Snake Man's punches are weaker but on a fight, Snake Man still can match Bound Man with its own speed and strength, although he might lose a powerstruggle against Bound Man.
They are simply on the same ballpark, on the same level. I've brought up Kizaru as an example but you ignored this as well. Why do I even bother explaining you all that shit? You literally ignore 80% from that shit anyways, lol.
You still didn't. =/
So better CoA does not increase your attack potency? I don't understand this, that's flawed.
Yep, I did mention that.
I know but as I said, the mechanics do not matter, the AP itself only matters.
Yeah, what's the problem?
Bound Man can tank attacks from the same ballpark better than Snake Man and so can Tank Man. That does not downgrade them an entire tier, lol.
And now tell me, does Kizaru suddenly not have small continent level durability because Kaido can tank attacks from the same ballpark better?
Nothing is more desperate and pathetic than clinging onto your own flawed powerscaling that much in which you tend to throw phrases like "You can scale Boro Breath to G3 if you want lol...." just to determinate your bias towards an ant even further.
Yeah, nowhere? Why?
He suddenly cannot tank mountain level attacks because Bound Man's durability is higher?
For the case that you still did not realised it but: This is the multiverse battledome section. Inverse battle logic does not really matter here.
Characters are on certain levels when put together. It is highly irrelevant whether Bound Man is physically stronger or not since both forms are on the same level regardless.
I won't because there is no reason to keep Snake Man away from this discussion when said mode is still on the same ballpark like other high tiers who were scaled to Chinjao regardless.
Yep.
Yep.
Lmao, you still did not get anything.
To put it like that: Freezer has his Death Beam and it pierces through his opponents but his Death Ball destroyed a literal planet. So Freezer's Death Beam is not planet level because it did not show the same destruction like Death Ball?
That's AP, dude:
That goes for other kind of attacks as well. Snake Man is large mountain level but he unleashes his energy output differently.
You have just used that term attack potency wrong the entire time, that's why you are so confused about it.
You said you are gonna stop here and then you write how I'm so far up their ass in which I won't be saved anymore, lol.
Come on dude, at least try to act civil instead of acting like a disingenuous prick. You just can't stop here and there and then drop some insults towards me, what's this kindergarten?
That sums up your understanding of such things.
I SIMPLY USED YOUR OWN FUCKING LOGIC. It's literally written on the next sentence, lol.
Come on man, we have reached page 11 and no limit fallacies are still a topic here! Why are you so difficult to handle?
Now let's not result on trolling and hating, we want to be as unbiased as possible about this match-up, don't you think so? ;)
Actually, base Luffy punched Hody through a hill which was roughly 300m in height.
Nothing but superficial damage.
Which is factually wrong.
Once again: Snake Man, despite punching weaker than Bound Man still has the same energy output, he just uses it differently; mainly for speed. Bound Man and Tank Man are both the same G4th form with the same amount of energy; its usage of the energy is just different.
You are making no sense, dude.
Kizaru is on the same ballpark like Whitebeard despite having less destructive attacks in terms of Area of Effect. He still scales to Akainu whom matched Whitebeard's AP feats with his own.
Snake Man is physically weaker but the differences are not far off in which we could say that Snake Man would not even match Bound Man if it was the case. Snake Man's punches are weaker but on a fight, Snake Man still can match Bound Man with its own speed and strength, although he might lose a powerstruggle against Bound Man.
They are simply on the same ballpark, on the same level. I've brought up Kizaru as an example but you ignored this as well. Why do I even bother explaining you all that shit? You literally ignore 80% from that shit anyways, lol.
You still didn't. =/
So better CoA does not increase your attack potency? I don't understand this, that's flawed.
Yep, I did mention that.
I know but as I said, the mechanics do not matter, the AP itself only matters.
Yeah, what's the problem?
Bound Man can tank attacks from the same ballpark better than Snake Man and so can Tank Man. That does not downgrade them an entire tier, lol.
And now tell me, does Kizaru suddenly not have small continent level durability because Kaido can tank attacks from the same ballpark better?
Nothing is more desperate and pathetic than clinging onto your own flawed powerscaling that much in which you tend to throw phrases like "You can scale Boro Breath to G3 if you want lol...." just to determinate your bias towards an ant even further.
Yeah, nowhere? Why?
He suddenly cannot tank mountain level attacks because Bound Man's durability is higher?
For the case that you still did not realised it but: This is the multiverse battledome section. Inverse battle logic does not really matter here.
Characters are on certain levels when put together. It is highly irrelevant whether Bound Man is physically stronger or not since both forms are on the same level regardless.
I won't because there is no reason to keep Snake Man away from this discussion when said mode is still on the same ballpark like other high tiers who were scaled to Chinjao regardless.
Yep.
Yep.
Lmao, you still did not get anything.
To put it like that: Freezer has his Death Beam and it pierces through his opponents but his Death Ball destroyed a literal planet. So Freezer's Death Beam is not planet level because it did not show the same destruction like Death Ball?
That's AP, dude:
That goes for other kind of attacks as well. Snake Man is large mountain level but he unleashes his energy output differently.
You have just used that term attack potency wrong the entire time, that's why you are so confused about it.
You said you are gonna stop here and then you write how I'm so far up their ass in which I won't be saved anymore, lol.
Come on dude, at least try to act civil instead of acting like a disingenuous prick. You just can't stop here and there and then drop some insults towards me, what's this kindergarten?
That sums up your understanding of such things.
I SIMPLY USED YOUR OWN FUCKING LOGIC. It's literally written on the next sentence, lol.
Come on man, we have reached page 11 and no limit fallacies are still a topic here! Why are you so difficult to handle?
Now let's not result on trolling and hating, we want to be as unbiased as possible about this match-up, don't you think so? ;)
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Actually, base Luffy punched Hody through a hill which was roughly 300m in height.
Nothing but superficial damage.
You overwank characters with trash AP and compare all their stats to other people on their lvl. Completely ignoring that people have varying stats. When confronted on it, you bring up the energy excuse, then have no actual way to guage it properly....other than ifs and buts...and speculation. Then your last resort it to compare characters that have barely even fought onpanel to characters that have had a 15 chapter fight. All of a while sucking off OBD and calling everything the oppisition says fallacy.
Well done.
