Speculations The seraphim are probably buccaneers

[Albino 👑]

We know the the world government has been trying and failing to create man made giants for centuries. Known failed examples being the numbers and the punk hazard kids. Vegapunk likely semi figured out how with the seraphim.

Instead of giving them full on giants blood/lineage factor Vegapunk probably just used kuma’s buccaneer lineage factor instead. That way it’s way less taxing and dangerous on the subjects but they still kinda get enhanced physical capabilities that come with it.

 

[Moegara]

Probably not, or they'd all have Kuma-like traits, yet only the one with Kuma's DNA does. He's also significantly bigger than the others.

The others look big because they have King's genes, as we always knew. King is 613 cm high.

 

[L57]

We know the the world government has been trying and failing to create man made giants for centuries. Known failed examples being the numbers and the punk hazard kids. Vegapunk likely semi figured out how with the seraphim.

Instead of giving them full on giants blood/lineage factor Vegapunk probably just used kuma’s buccaneer lineage factor instead. That way it’s way less taxing and dangerous on the subjects but they still kinda get enhanced physical capabilities that come with it.

Idk about that
King when he was saved by kaido is as tall as zoro or s hawk .

 

[Woozles]

Probably not, or they'd all have Kuma-like traits, yet only the one with Kuma's DNA does. He's also significantly bigger than the others.

The others look big because they have King's genes, as we always knew. King is 613 cm high.

I mean, if they do have Buccaneer dna, how would we be able to properly ascertain? Their bigness could be due to King, or it could be due to Kuma, we don't know that Lunarians are supposed to be particularly huge considering big people just exist.

All we know for sure is that the Seraphim are massive compared to their originals at the same time.

 

[Albino 👑]

Probably not, or they'd all have Kuma-like traits, yet only the one with Kuma's DNA does. He's also significantly bigger than the others.

The others look big because they have King's genes, as we always knew. King is 613 cm high.

No because they don’t have to look like kuma to have buccaneer dna. Just like some people are bigger than other people maybe kuma is just larger than an average buccaneer

Some characters are just big as hell for no reason. I doubt kings size is due to him being a lunarian

Idk about that
King when he was saved by kaido is as tall as zoro or s hawk .

They have kings lunarian dna they aren’t actual clones of king. Doubt lunarians are known for their size as it’s never been something that was mentioned

 

[Moegara]

I mean, if they do have Buccaneer dna, how would we be able to properly ascertain? Their bigness could be due to King, or it could be due to Kuma, we don't know that Lunarians are supposed to be particularly huge considering big people just exist.

All we know for sure is that the Seraphim are massive compared to their originals at the same time.

They didn't use "generic race traits", they used specific people's DNA. These guys were created directly from King + a Shichibukai.

No because they don’t have to look like kuma to have buccaneer dna. Just like some people are bigger than other people maybe kuma is just larger than an average buccaneer

Some characters are just big as hell for no reason. I doubt kings size is due to him being a lunarian

Same answer as above.

 

[Albino 👑]

They didn't use "generic race traits", they used specific people's DNA. These guys were created directly from King + a Shichibukai.


Same answer as above.

No
S-hawk isn’t 50% king clone 50% mihawk clone.
It’s a mihawk clone that uses his lunarian dna. They don’t look like king they look like lunarians

Same way them having buccaneers or giant dna wouldn’t make them 50% or 25 percent kuma. It would just mean they get traits that come from being a giant

 

[JoNdule]

Seraphims have Buccaneer, giants, lunarian + warlords dna

They aren't King clones

 

[BOCCHI]

It’s insane to think they have the giants blood, lunarian genes as well as the actual warlord they are based on blood plus DFs fit for them. So much power and potential if true they are truly the ultimate beings even with buccaneers blood they are still OP.

 

[Moegara]

No
S-hawk isn’t 50% king clone 50% mihawk clone.
It’s a mihawk clone that uses his lunarian dna. They don’t look like king they look like lunarians

Same way them having buccaneers or giant dna wouldn’t make them 50% or 25 percent kuma. It would just mean they get traits that come from being a giant

Unless the WG managed to experiment with an unknown lunarian, that's not the case. They extracted genes directly from King to get his lunarian traits.

They look like the warlords because of their genes, just like they have lunarian traits because of King's genes. Vegapunk chose what genes they'd have from each and obviously he was only interested in King's lunarian traits as a base for their bodies: just as easily he can just leave the gene that determined King's height and voilà, you have their current height.

1: Buccanners' bodies are clearly built different, they aren't just high. Look at Kuma and his father.
2: Is it hard for you to see that the genes that he got from the shichibukai didn't produce standard humans, but specifically the individual traits (skills included)? What makes you think extracting King's DNA would produce generic members of his race with traits unrelated to him? He's the template, whether you like it or not.

Edit: It's even more obvious when you see S-Bear is taller than the rest. They're all tall because of King's base template, but he's much taller because he's the clone of a Buccaneer on top of that. If they all simply shared buccaneer traits, they'd all be just as tall as him.

 

[Lor D. Coast]

The seraphim are strengthened by Alber's blood and nothing else. Read the manga, if you don't know where to look just ask.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

No. If they were buccaneers then they'd all be as big as Kuma. The reason why they are bigger than the average person is because lunarians in general are likely taller than humans

Spoiler

 

[Albino 👑]

Unless the WG managed to experiment with an unknown lunarian, that's not the case. They extracted genes directly from King to get his lunarian traits.

They look like the warlords because of their genes, just like they have lunarian traits because of King's genes. Vegapunk chose what genes they'd have from each and obviously he was only interested in King's lunarian traits as a base for their bodies: just as easily he can just leave the gene that determined King's height and voilà, you have their current height.

1: Buccanners' bodies are clearly built different, they aren't just high. Look at Kuma and his father.
2: Is it hard for you to see that the genes that he got from the shichibukai didn't produce standard humans, but specifically the individual traits (skills included)? What makes you think extracting King's DNA would produce generic members of his race with traits unrelated to him? He's the template, whether you like it or not.

Edit: It's even more obvious when you see S-Bear is taller than the rest. They're all tall because of King's base template, but he's much taller because he's the clone of a Buccaneer on top of that. If they all simply shared buccaneer traits, they'd all be just as tall as him.

Yes they used king…
You do realize his lunarian traits are not things unique to king but something all lunarians have right? His height has never been mentioned as something lunarian related. Same way Jack and queen being big as hell isn’t something unique to humans or fush

Their base bodies are literally the warlords because they’re clones of the warlords with special powers added. S-shark isn’t what the love child or combination of Jinbe and king would look like. S-shark is a Jinbe clone with lunarian abilities
Is it that hard for you to understand that they’re clones of the warlords with special abilities added. Non of their lunarian traits are specifically special to king. They’re special to all lunarian. Height never being highlighted as a special trait

Gigantification has something repeatedly highlighting throughout the new world as a scientific achievement no one has been able to get right.

1. First told about it in punk hazard with the wg trying years and years and repeating failing
   • The punk hazard kids being one example
   • The numbers being another
2. Was highlighted again in wci with big moms dream and Caesar thinking it’s impossible
3. Reminded again in wano with the numbers

Now we find out kuma is a special race that has giants blood within them and it is repeated noted how big the seraphim are.
Vegapunk being the smartest man alive and successfully doing things never done and out doing Caesar is only natural. He even did it with his artificial zoans
1+1=2

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Maybe, I'm not sure I agree with the theory just because there's been no hint towards the Seraphim being anything more than cyborg Lunarian clones. If Stella or one of the Punks hinted at a deeper ingredient, I'd be more inclined to think that.

 

[Albino 👑]

Maybe, I'm not sure I agree with the theory just because there's been no hint towards the Seraphim being anything more than cyborg Lunarian clones. If Stella or one of the Punks hinted at a deeper ingredient, I'd be more inclined to think that.

Even in the chapter where Vegapunk hypes the seraphim as his greatest creation the only thing he highlights is the green blood really. Them having lunarians abilities only being highlighted by one of the Vegapunks when zoro calls out their similarities to king.

Them being really big is something that’s been mentioned on the side but not yet dived into. With the multiple arcs gigantification research has been highlighted and us being introduced to kuma’s special race of people that have giants blood it only makes sense that Vegapunk finally semi cracked the code

 

[Moegara]

Yes they used king…
You do realize his lunarian traits are not things unique to king but something all lunarians have right? His height has never been mentioned as something lunarian related. Same way Jack and queen being big as hell isn’t something unique to humans or fush

Their base bodies are literally the warlords because they’re clones of the warlords with special powers added. S-shark isn’t what the love child or combination of Jinbe and king would look like. S-shark is a Jinbe clone with lunarian abilities
Is it that hard for you to understand that they’re clones of the warlords with special abilities added. Non of their lunarian traits are specifically special to king. They’re special to all lunarian. Height never being highlighted as a special trait

Gigantification has something repeatedly highlighting throughout the new world as a scientific achievement no one has been able to get right.

1. First told about it in punk hazard with the wg trying years and years and repeating failing
   • The punk hazard kids being one example
   • The numbers being another
2. Was highlighted again in wci with big moms dream and Caesar thinking it’s impossible
3. Reminded again in wano with the numbers

Now we find out kuma is a special race that has giants blood within them and it is repeated noted how big the seraphim are.
Vegapunk being the smartest man alive and successfully doing things never done and out doing Caesar is only natural. He even did it with his artificial zoans
1+1=2

So you pasted a page explicitly saying the lunarians were created directly from King to prove they are generic lunarians with generic traits and none directly from him.

1+1=2 indeed.

Things we do know:
- They have used King's DNA to import his desired traits onto the Seraphims.
- The Seraphims are clones using the DNA of Shichibukai's and King's DNA ("the Seraphim are augmented by none other than his lunarian blood", as you posted yourself).
- All the Seraphims are much bigger than normal humans.
- King was much bigger than normal humans.
- Buccaneers are much bigger than normal humans.
- Yet S-Bear, the clone of a buccaneer, is much bigger than his fellow lunarians.

Obvious question:
If they were all augmented by buccaneer DNA, wouldn't they be growing at more similar heights? How is it that S-Bear can easily step on any of the others? On top of that, we'd be talking about buccaneer genetic traits obtained directly from Kuma for all of them.

Obvious answer:
Just like they extracted King's racial traits, nothing stopped Vegapunk from extracting the genes of his general built: hair color, wings, fire gimmicks and general build. There you have it, "giants" obtained in one swoop. S-Bear, having King's build as his base height, is the clone of a buccaneer on top of that, so he's much bigger than the rest and than the original Kuma (by the time he becomes an adult).

You simply can't explain their respective heights otherwise if they are all partly buccaneers. They also don't need to be 50% King to have his height as their base height: we know Vegapunk used his genes to enhance them, even if his height is not representative of the lunarian race, there's literally no argument as to why Vegapunk couldn't have used the genes of the 6 meters tall lunarian to make them become 6 meters tall lunarians.

 

[BattalGazi]

They definetly have giant genes, and it seems more then Kumas because child Kuma seems to big as adult Kuma.

 

[U c 4 up da idly]

Maybe, I'm not sure I agree with the theory just because there's been no hint towards the Seraphim being anything more than cyborg Lunarian clones. If Stella or one of the Punks hinted at a deeper ingredient, I'd be more inclined to think that.

Their size is highlighted quite alot they've got something else in them besides just Lunarain dna

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So you pasted a page explicitly saying the lunarians were created directly from King to prove they are generic lunarians with generic traits and none directly from him.

1+1=2 indeed.

Things we do know:
- They have used King's DNA to import his desired traits onto the Seraphims.
- The Seraphims are clones using the DNA of Shichibukai's and King's DNA ("the Seraphim are augmented by none other than his lunarian blood", as you posted yourself).
- All the Seraphims are much bigger than normal humans.
- King was much bigger than normal humans.
- Buccaneers are much bigger than normal humans.
- Yet S-Bear, the clone of a buccaneer, is much bigger than his fellow lunarians.

Obvious question:
If they were all augmented by buccaneer DNA, wouldn't they be growing at more similar heights? How is it that S-Bear can easily step on any of the others? On top of that, we'd be talking about buccaneer genetic traits obtained directly from Kuma for all of them.

Obvious answer:
Just like they extracted King's racial traits, nothing stopped Vegapunk from extracting the genes of his general built: hair color, wings, fire gimmicks and general build. There you have it, "giants" obtained in one swoop. S-Bear, having King's build as his base height, is the clone of a buccaneer on top of that, so he's much bigger than the rest and than the original Kuma (by the time he becomes an adult).

You simply can't explain their respective heights otherwise if they are all partly buccaneers. They also don't need to be 50% King to have his height as their base height: we know Vegapunk used his genes to enhance them, even if his height is not representative of the lunarian race, there's literally no argument as to why Vegapunk couldn't have used the genes of the 6 meters tall lunarian to make them become 6 meters tall lunarians.

Queen is a normal human who is only 1cm shorter than King and Kings size has never been identified as a trait of the lunarians. Oda just likes to make his villains large in comparison to the heroes

 

[Albino 👑]

So you pasted a page explicitly saying the lunarians were created directly from King to prove they are generic lunarians with generic traits and none directly from him.

1+1=2 indeed.

Things we do know:
- They have used King's DNA to import his desired traits onto the Seraphims.
- The Seraphims are clones using the DNA of Shichibukai's and King's DNA ("the Seraphim are augmented by none other than his lunarian blood", as you posted yourself).
- All the Seraphims are much bigger than normal humans.
- King was much bigger than normal humans.
- Buccaneers are much bigger than normal humans.
- Yet S-Bear, the clone of a buccaneer, is much bigger than his fellow lunarians.

Obvious question:
If they were all augmented by buccaneer DNA, wouldn't they be growing at more similar heights? How is it that S-Bear can easily step on any of the others? On top of that, we'd be talking about buccaneer genetic traits obtained directly from Kuma for all of them.

Obvious answer:
Just like they extracted King's racial traits, nothing stopped Vegapunk from extracting the genes of his general built: hair color, wings, fire gimmicks and general build. There you have it, "giants" obtained in one swoop. S-Bear, having King's build as his base height, is the clone of a buccaneer on top of that, so he's much bigger than the rest and than the original Kuma (by the time he becomes an adult).

You simply can't explain their respective heights otherwise if they are all partly buccaneers. They also don't need to be 50% King to have his height as their base height: we know Vegapunk used his genes to enhance them, even if his height is not representative of the lunarian race, there's literally no argument as to why Vegapunk couldn't have used the genes of the 6 meters tall lunarian to make them become 6 meters tall lunarians.

Yes because all they have is his lunarian traits and not 1 of those traits was highlighting his height

Queen and king are the same height
Same way normal humans and even giants can extremely vary in size it’d be the same with buccaneers. They don’t all have to be the same height
The gap between their seraphim selves is significantly closer than the original version

With how highlighted their heights are along with gigantification in general is no it isn’t because of king.
If all it took was for them to use a just a bigger persons dna and disregard the importance of giant dna then it wouldn’t be important. If they used Queens dna instead they still wouldn’t be as big as they are. Your ignoring just how big a deal gigantification research is