Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

You're using another conflict to prove your point and conveniently brush the overarching issue(colonialism) aside.

Colonial powers had long left, the divide happened hundreds of year ago.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

you imbecile.

The first insult in what felt like ages, congrats.👏🏽👏🏻👏🏼👏👏🏿👏🏾

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Colonial powers had long left, the divide happened hundreds of year ago.

And? You can't see underlying issues, or don't want to see them

 

[Okamakama]

The first insult in what felt like ages, congrats.👏🏽👏🏻👏🏼👏👏🏿👏🏾

You can act sarcastic, but you cannot refute the point.

You first reacted to something that wasn't about you, saying I was GASLIGHTING about what YOU said: "Me me me," much?

Then you ignore that examples and comparison can complement each other.

Just stop, man. It's pathetic.

 

[Zenos7]

actual peace with two real state and the end of colonization.

Wont happen as long as hamas is a thing anyway

 

[Roo]

What do you mean by "normalizing violence" ? No one is normalizing violence. NO ONE.
We only say.

To the power in power, STOP. Only you can make the conflict stop. Not the one under oppression. To fix the Gaza conflict, we must understand that the IDF has to stop first and show its back. They have the power to stop the violence without being violent themself. This is called the iron dome.

That is normalizing violence. You’re giving one side a pass to be as violent as possible while the other has to be a Buddhist monk. That is irrational.

There are only two possibility to end the conflict in gaza:

The atomic bomb on Gaza to completely stop the radicalization process (but you will need to bomb the cis jordanie too)
Or
A cease fire from IDF and actual peace with two real state and the end of colonization.

What do you think is better ?

false dichotomy. Diplomacy isn’t as easy as “A or B”

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Wont happen as long as Murica is a thing anyway

Fixed

 

[Okamakama]

Wont happen as long as hamas is a thing anyway

Unfortunately. I wish they could just be one state.

 

[Zenos7]

Fixed

What i said is true as well and you know it

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Unfortunately. I wish they could just be one state.

I wish they chose another location for their jewish state

 

[Okamakama]

Fixed

Zenos has better spelling than that, so I don't think he meant 'Murica'.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You can act sarcastic, but you cannot refute the point.

You first reacted to something that wasn't about you, saying I was GASLIGHTING about what YOU said: "Me me me," much?

Then you ignore that examples and comparison can complement each other.

Just stop, man. It's pathetic.

Seems like you lost your ability to understand posts. Here, pet this bunny

 

[Zenos7]

Zenos has better spelling than that, so I don't think he meant 'Murica'.

Eh it happens that i use "murica", especially when making fun of murica

 

[Roo]

The first insult in what felt like ages, congrats.👏🏽👏🏻👏🏼👏👏🏿👏🏾

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And? You can't see underlying issues, or don't want to see them

The reality is I see them but I don’t excuse violence cause “muh colonialism”

 

[Okamakama]

Seems like you lost your ability to understand posts. Here, pet this bunny

Now who is the gaslighter? .

Fucking hell, bro.

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Eh it happens that i use "murica", especially when making fun of murica

Fair enough. Hats off. I am beaten on that.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Again, issue is once you normalized violence due to the “oppression” there’s no guarantee peace can be attained. Circle back to the Rwanda genocide

Violence was already normalized by the settlers.

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The reality is I see them but I don’t excuse violence cause “muh colonialism”

Will y'all stop accusing me of 'excusing' terrorism and violence?

 

[Okamakama]

The reality is I see them but I don’t excuse violence cause “muh colonialism”

This is my view too. Why are we excusing barbarism? It's just the warbling of wannabe revolutionaries. Those who took over the states aren't even alive anymore, but fuck it, let's collectively punish their descendents...

Wait... weren't we calling for collective punishment to -not- happen. Yes... guilty by association is only acceptable when it's the OPPRESSOR.

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I wish they chose another location for their jewish state

Was there really anywhere to go? Just curious at this point.

 

[Logiko]

Wont happen as long as hamas is a thing anyway

Oh yes it will. It will or all palestinian will die. So it better will.
The hamas is not an obstacle to peace, its just a radicalized group, once the palestinian sees an opportunity for peace with a great figure, they will put themself hamas down.

false dichotomy. Diplomacy isn’t as easy as “A or B”

WRONG. In this case it is. Why ? because the Israelian gov consider the hamas as a menace and their war goal to defeat.

The thing is. Hamas CAN'T be defeated. Simply because hamas comes from anger and radicalized people triggered by the israelian gov itself and its policy. So the only way to take down hamas is to take down ALL possible radicalized people. Which means ALL the population of Gaza under 30 and over 15. this can only be done effectively with a massive bombing like an atomic strike.

You don't fight radicalization with war. You fight it only with peace.

So the only viable way is peace and the end of colonization. because thats what wants those people.

 

[Roo]

Violence was already normalized by the settlers.

so your goal is for the cycle to continue. If you want peace, both parties have to come to the table. Not just one like C4N says

 

[Logiko]

That is normalizing violence. You’re giving one side a pass to be as violent as possible while the other has to be a Buddhist monk. That is irrational.

No. I'm only saying to the one with the gun to stop shooting to the one with the rock so we can deal with the one with the rock with care.

You are the irrational one here. Not me.

 

[Okamakama]

No. I'm only saying to the one with the gun to stop shooting to the one with the rock so we can deal with the one with the rock with care.

You are the irrational one here. Not me.

But they don't have rocks... do they? They fire rockets, ffs.

 

[Roo]

Oh yes it will. It will or all palestinian will die. So it better will.
The hamas is not an obstacle to peace, it’s just a radicalized group, once the palestinian sees an opportunity for peace with a great figure, they will put themself hamas down.

this is absolutely wrong lol. The reason why Hamas got popular in the first place was because of the second intifada in which they proved violence gets results. Same as Hezbollah when they repelled Israelis forces

you give Hamas what they want and they get more popular. Anybody with an ounce of political knowledge knows this.

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No. I'm only saying to the one with the gun to stop shooting to the one with the rock so we can deal with the one with the rock with care.

You are the irrational one here. Not me.

I want both people to stop, but you can’t tell the guy with the gun to stop shooting when the guy with the rock keeps attacking him