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A lot of our differences lie in our ideologies, so I will not spend my time arguing each point. We can agree to disagree.
However, on this point? I dragged myself out. I made a life for myself. I worked hard. Worked on a lot of my problems. This is not to self-aggrandize, just to point out that it's not impossible. In fact, it feels like a movement of the goal posts. First it's "tragedy makes you do evil," and now it's "tragedy makes you evil if nobody is there to stop you." No. You always have a choice. I made mine. Hamas terrorists made theirs.
I agree with the first point. I wish we had one.
As for the second part, eh, not particularly. I was just trying to classify a group that was impacted. I feel it's no different than calling the Palestinians who have been killed 'victims' which so many are happy to call them. However, in the interest of sensitivity: The Israeli PEOPLE who were injured, killed, kidnapped, etc.
However, on this point? I dragged myself out. I made a life for myself. I worked hard. Worked on a lot of my problems. This is not to self-aggrandize, just to point out that it's not impossible. In fact, it feels like a movement of the goal posts. First it's "tragedy makes you do evil," and now it's "tragedy makes you evil if nobody is there to stop you." No. You always have a choice. I made mine. Hamas terrorists made theirs.
I agree with the first point. I wish we had one.
As for the second part, eh, not particularly. I was just trying to classify a group that was impacted. I feel it's no different than calling the Palestinians who have been killed 'victims' which so many are happy to call them. However, in the interest of sensitivity: The Israeli PEOPLE who were injured, killed, kidnapped, etc.
Not really. He's pointing out something that those who disagree with his ideology think. It's an excuse for vigilante acts and evil crimes in the name of justice.
For example, a black man from the middle class told me that I "could never understand poverty and should just be quiet on the issue because I'm white," which was just ridiculous. Not only is poverty a class issue, but it's just stupid logic. People use their positions as "the oppressed" to bludgeon others. It's evident. It doesn't always happen, but you cannot ignore that there are malicious actors.
For example, a black man from the middle class told me that I "could never understand poverty and should just be quiet on the issue because I'm white," which was just ridiculous. Not only is poverty a class issue, but it's just stupid logic. People use their positions as "the oppressed" to bludgeon others. It's evident. It doesn't always happen, but you cannot ignore that there are malicious actors.
Indeed, but you had the chance not to be under bombing during this process or under occupation and oppression.. Far from me to compare the two situation but in this case, this is uncomparable.
In those cases, a third party must intervene. And once you get the power, you must forfeit your right to an equal responce.
In those cases, a third party must intervene. And once you get the power, you must forfeit your right to an equal responce.
You're using another conflict to prove your point and conveniently brush the overarching issue(colonialism) aside.
Stop gaslighting. I was not excusing anything.
Completely different topic.
I didn't see that you were referring to c4n's post alone.
Read my whole post and you understand why I paraphrased you like this.🙄
Stop gaslighting. I was not excusing anything.
Completely different topic.
I didn't see that you were referring to c4n's post alone.
Read my whole post and you understand why I paraphrased you like this.🙄
Everything in this world is about power and domination balances.
If you want to fix an issue, ALWAYS look at who has the power.
This works for military conflict, but this works also in daily life too. People don't understand why feminist target the oppression of men. Its simply because in that case, MEN have the power in all strates of societies.
It also works with capitalism, with ecology with pretty much EVERYTHING.
If you want to fix an issue, ALWAYS look at who has the power.
This works for military conflict, but this works also in daily life too. People don't understand why feminist target the oppression of men. Its simply because in that case, MEN have the power in all strates of societies.
It also works with capitalism, with ecology with pretty much EVERYTHING.
I know a man from SA who says that blacks in SA use apartheid as an excuse for killing whites and taking land. Before anyone asks, the man who told me this is black.
Historically people will latch onto any excuse to justify their own barbaric actions. Oppression is a perfect one.
That was not about you. It was what Roo was on about, you imbecile.
Different topic? Perhaps, but it emphasizes my point. The 'oppressed' will bludgeon the supposed 'oppressors' unjustly -- just like Hamas who punished Israel civilians rather than the IDF.
I read it and it's as reactionary as always, and, in the case of what I responded to, vitriolic. I stand by my point.
Historically people will latch onto any excuse to justify their own barbaric actions. Oppression is a perfect one.
That was not about you. It was what Roo was on about, you imbecile.
Different topic? Perhaps, but it emphasizes my point. The 'oppressed' will bludgeon the supposed 'oppressors' unjustly -- just like Hamas who punished Israel civilians rather than the IDF.
I read it and it's as reactionary as always, and, in the case of what I responded to, vitriolic. I stand by my point.
What do you mean by "normalizing violence" ? No one is normalizing violence. NO ONE.
We only say.
To the power in power, STOP. Only you can make the conflict stop. Not the one under oppression. To fix the Gaza conflict, we must understand that the IDF has to stop first and show its back. They have the power to stop the violence without being violent themself. This is called the iron dome.
Once the violence on the opposite side is denouced enough to be stop, then, peace can come, but we can't have peace by targetting young people who are angry because you are already targetting them. it will only lead to more radicalization.
There are only two possibility to end the conflict in gaza:
The atomic bomb on Gaza to completely stop the radicalization process (but you will need to bomb the cis jordanie too)
Or
A cease fire from IDF and actual peace with two real state and the end of colonization.
What do you think is better ?
We only say.
To the power in power, STOP. Only you can make the conflict stop. Not the one under oppression. To fix the Gaza conflict, we must understand that the IDF has to stop first and show its back. They have the power to stop the violence without being violent themself. This is called the iron dome.
Once the violence on the opposite side is denouced enough to be stop, then, peace can come, but we can't have peace by targetting young people who are angry because you are already targetting them. it will only lead to more radicalization.
There are only two possibility to end the conflict in gaza:
The atomic bomb on Gaza to completely stop the radicalization process (but you will need to bomb the cis jordanie too)
Or
A cease fire from IDF and actual peace with two real state and the end of colonization.
What do you think is better ?