Powers & Abilities AdCoC Lightning is Red, KoH Lightning is Black..

[Rootbeer]

No, AdvCoC is when contrails appear, it has nothing to do with black ligning. And the contrails are in both attacks. The only difference there may be is the much greater concentration of AsvCoC in the final attack, obviously, for a reason it is a finisher.

Using AdCoC to create a base flying Slash attack.. Is that what AdCoC is reduced to, to keep the Zoro AdCoC narrative going?..

Where was such a thing said? It is the AdvCoA that allows you to hit without touching. Precisely, we have not seen Zoro hit without touching, therefore he cannot have AdvCoA.

If he used AdCoC, it wouldn't touch instead it's cutting.. And don't use that panel when King flung Zoro to the left when he was mid air.. That's poor reading comprehension skills..

 

[Galahad]

Using AdCoC to create a base flying Slash attack.. Is that what AdCoC is reduced to, to keep the Zoro AdCoC narrative going?..

No, you are the one who is reducing it to a base attack, not us. We are talking about the final part of a fight, the KOH, Zoro's strongest state except Asura, an attack that served to hurt King... I don't understand how you can call it a base attack.

Any attack with AdvCoC is not a base attack, regardless of who uses it. In fact, we have seen Luffy use it even with unnamed attacks.

If he used AdCoC, it wouldn't touch instead it's cutting.. And don't use that panel when King flung Zoro to the left when he was mid air.. That's poor reading comprehension skills..

Is it so hard to understand? The AdvCoA is what allows hitting without touching, it is in its own definition, Luffy himself says it and we have also seen it.

Something we haven't seen in the case of Zoro. Also, we never saw the trails in Luffy when he used AdvCoA, we started to see them when he understood AdvCoC.

We have never been told that the AdvCoC has the ability to hit without touching, in fact, the opposite has been proven several times...

Only when two attacks with AdvCoC face each other, will they not touch each other. Since King does not have CoC, much less AdvCoC, and Zoto does not have AdvCoA, it is impossible for us to see that effect in Zoro. Just like we don't see said effect in Kaido. Every time Kaido uses AdvCoC and hits Luffy squarely without him being able to attack, we see how the attacks hit Luffy. Because Kaido doesn't have AdvCoA either.

Also, if you bothered to read a little, you would realize that I would never use the example of Zoro pushing King away as an example of the AdvCoC, since there are no trails.

 

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[Rootbeer]

No, you are the one who is reducing it to a base attack, not us. We are talking about the final part of a fight, the KOH, Zoro's strongest state except Asura, an attack that served to hurt King... I don't understand how you can call it a base attack.

Any attack with AdvCoC is not a base attack, regardless of who uses it. In fact, we have seen Luffy use it even with unnamed attacks.

It's the same attack..

Is it so hard to understand? The AdvCoA is what allows hitting without touching, it is in its own definition, Luffy himself says it and we have also seen it.

Something we haven't seen in the case of Zoro. Also, we never saw the trails in Luffy when he used AdvCoA, we started to see them when he understood AdvCoC.

We have never been told that the AdvCoC has the ability to hit without touching, in fact, the opposite has been proven several times...

Only when two attacks with AdvCoC face each other, will they not touch each other. Since King does not have CoC, much less AdvCoC, and Zoto does not have AdvCoA, it is impossible for us to see that effect in Zoro. Just like we don't see said effect in Kaido. Every time Kaido uses AdvCoC and hits Luffy squarely without him being able to attack, we see how the attacks hit Luffy. Because Kaido doesn't have AdvCoA either.

Also, if you bothered to read a little, you would realize that I would never use the example of Zoro pushing King away as an example of the AdvCoC, since there are no trails.

So you're just completely denying those evidence as AdCoC was introduced?..

Zoro has AdCoA since Arlong Park, flowing Haki into his Blades is AdCoA for Swordsmen..

 

[Galahad]

It's the same attack..

No, it is not the same attack. One has AdvCoC and the other does not. No attack with AdvCoC can be called base. And besides, Luffy also uses it even in unnamed attacks...

Are you going to tell me that there is no AdvCoC in that image because they are attacks without a name? Or is it only valid when it comes to Zoro?

So you're just completely denying those evidence as AdCoC was introduced?..

Zoro has AdCoA since Arlong Park, flowing Haki into his Blades is AdCoA for Swordsmen..

The only one here who ignores the evidence is you. Those images you post are indeed part of the manga, but the ones I post are also part of the manga, you can't ignore them because they simply don't fit into your head canon.

In all those images that contain AdvoC you can see how they hit their target. The only difference with your examples is that in your example you are facing two attacks with AdvCoC.

I don't think it's that difficult to understand. I repeat that the manga is very simple if you take everything into account and not what interests you.

 

[Jackteo]

everyone has already shown him those panels a million times, everyone has already proven him wrong a million times.
He's just in denial let him cope in a corner somewhere spamming more zoro advcoc threads

No red trail, no ACoC. As simple as that. Cry Pero, cryyy

 

[Rootbeer]

No, it is not the same attack. One has AdvCoC and the other does not. No attack with AdvCoC can be called base. And besides, Luffy also uses it even in unnamed attacks...

Are you going to tell me that there is no AdvCoC in that image because they are attacks without a name? Or is it only valid when it comes to Zoro?

Yeah cause Zoro is not AdCoC in the first place.. Why would you use AdCoC as a Downgrade for a base Flying Slash attack?..

The only one here who ignores the evidence is you. Those images you post are indeed part of the manga, but the ones I post are also part of the manga, you can't ignore them because they simply don't fit into your head canon.

In all those images that contain AdvoC you can see how they hit their target. The only difference with your examples is that in your example you are facing two attacks with AdvCoC.

I don't think it's that difficult to understand. I repeat that the manga is very simple if you take everything into account and not what interests you.

All those panels are not key moments for AdCoC as a power in the narrative..

Actually White Star doesn't make physical contact, Oda is going out of his way to for Luffy in Gear 5 to no touch.. If you look carefully there's no Fist inprint..

 

[Peroroncino]

No red trail, no ACoC. As simple as that. Cry Pero, cryyy

You still salty cause sanji doesnt have it Jackie

 

[Galahad]

Yeah cause Zoro is not AdCoC in the first place.. Why would you use AdCoC as a Downgrade for a base Flying Slash attack?..

It is funny. As you do with manga, with the messages you also keep the part that interests you. I repeat the question:

Do you mean there is no AdvCoC here because they are using nameless attacks? What's more, I can give you more examples of Luffy's "base" attacks if you wish.

All those panels are not key moments for AdCoC as a power in the narrative..

Actually White Star doesn't make physical contact, Oda is going out of his way to for Luffy in Gear 5 to no touch.. If you look carefully there's no Fist inprint..

You mean, those are moments you choose to ignore because they don't fit your head canon.

1- First known attack with AdvCoC which allows Luffy to understand it. There is no more important moment than that related to the AdvCoC. There may be similar importance, but no more. And you can see how he hits Luffy.

2- Luffy's defeat in the moment of greatest tension to date, which means chaos for the alliance. Very important moment too. Once again, he is seen hitting Luffy.

3- Defeat Kinemon protecting the last bastion of the alliance. Kinemon, an important character who has been with us since Punk Hazar. Very important and emotional moment. And again we see how the attack hits him.

4- First confrontation with an Admiral on equal terms. important moment for the series. Once again, we see how the attack hits.

5- Luffy's first serious damage to an Admiral, important moment. Once again, you can see how he hits.

In general, AdvCoC attacks that hit are more important to the plot because they are generating damage or causing defeats. While attacks that do not hit have no consequences. The only exceptions are Roger and Shiro's clash, because it is an important moment, and the first clash between Luffy and Kaido, and even then, they are less important overall than any of the examples I gave.

I insist that you cannot ignore the parts of the manga that do not fit your head canon. I do not do it.

Saying that they are not important moments or Oda's mistakes are not an explanation. Between that and the fact that it is your head canon, I'll take the second option.

 

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If @Rootbeer actually takes this shit seriously then I actually feel bad for him. Can you imagine spending half of your day trying to argue against some anime facts that 99.9999999% other people with higher IQ than room temps agree on. That's like, the most pathetic shit I've ever seen.

 

[Rootbeer]

It is funny. As you do with manga, with the messages you also keep the part that interests you. I repeat the question:

Do you mean there is no AdvCoC here because they are using nameless attacks? What's more, I can give you more examples of Luffy's "base" attacks if you wish.

Luffy's not sending a named flying slash attack.. Luffy's not reducing his power output on purpose when using AdCoC..

You mean, those are moments you choose to ignore because they don't fit your head canon.

1- First known attack with AdvCoC which allows Luffy to understand it. There is no more important moment than that related to the AdvCoC. There may be similar importance, but no more. And you can see how he hits Luffy.

2- Luffy's defeat in the moment of greatest tension to date, which means chaos for the alliance. Very important moment too. Once again, he is seen hitting Luffy.

3- Defeat Kinemon protecting the last bastion of the alliance. Kinemon, an important character who has been with us since Punk Hazar. Very important and emotional moment. And again we see how the attack hits him.

4- First confrontation with an Admiral on equal terms. important moment for the series. Once again, we see how the attack hits.

5- Luffy's first serious damage to an Admiral, important moment. Once again, you can see how he hits.

In general, AdvCoC attacks that hit are more important to the plot because they are generating damage or causing defeats. While attacks that do not hit have no consequences. The only exceptions are Roger and Shiro's clash, because it is an important moment, and the first clash between Luffy and Kaido, and even then, they are less important overall than any of the examples I gave.

I insist that you cannot ignore the parts of the manga that do not fit your head canon. I do not do it.

Saying that they are not important moments or Oda's mistakes are not an explanation. Between that and the fact that it is your head canon, I'll take the second option.

Not the most important to the plot, the most important to the plot for AdCoC as power.. Hands down chapter 1010.. The freaking introductory chapter of the said Power.. What the hell..

 

[OnePeace]

2 types of Adcoc, Basic (Touching) Shield (Not Touching)

Clash between Luffy and Kaido, Roger and Whitebeard (Not Touching when they clash) / it was either one or both of them uses Shield Adcoc (Most Powerful attack) they can unleash internal damage without touching.(Only very strong Coc users can use this), Luffy mistake at first when he go against Kaido at Onigashima rooftop was not imbuse his attack with Coc haki, so it wasn't strong enough but it still does damage to Kaido.

Big Mom and Kaido, Shank and Whitebeard (Touching) / both of them use basic Adcoc still powerful though, they split the clouds/sky)

But when the Shield Adcoc user/s clash, the clouds just dissappear or blew away, that why Nekomamushi able to turn into Sulong form again after Luffy clash with Kaido, it also the same when Roger clash with Whitebeard the clouds blew away clear sky, that means this attack more powerful than basic Adcoc.

Luffy actually uses Shield Adcoc (Bajrang gun) against Kaido in Magma form (prob his awakening dragon form)

I guess Saturn also use this kind of attack also, when he blew people head with his sight/glare.

 

[Jackteo]

You still salty cause sanji doesnt have it Jackie

He will, I'm sure of it. Just another chapter

 

[Galahad]

Luffy's not sending a named flying slash attack.. He's reducing his power output on purpose when using AdCoC..

Maybe because Luffy doesn't have flying attacks.


How much stupid stuff can you say to try to get your way?

Attacks without names > Attacks with names. If Luffy and Kaido have used AdVCoC on unnamed attacks, Zoro can use it on any attack he pleases. Like he can use CoA on any attack. Your explanation is ridiculous. Which is normal when you try to force things by ignoring the facts of the manga.

Not the most important to the plot, the most important to the plot for AdCoC as power.. Hands down chapter 1010.. The freaking introductory chapter of the said Power.. What the hell..

Without this scene, without this attack, chapter 1010 would not exist. This is the key moment in which Luffy understands the AdvCoC.

I have given you a good number of examples, now show me an attack by Kaido that hits without touching Luffy.

 

[Peroroncino]

He will, I'm sure of it. Just another chapter

I doubt it,this arc and this moment doesnt seem to be about him at all

 

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[Rootbeer]

If @Rootbeer actually takes this shit seriously then I actually feel bad for him. Can you imagine spending half of your day trying to argue against some anime facts that 99.9999999% other people with higher IQ than room temps agree on. That's like, the most pathetic shit I've ever seen.

Higher IQ?.. Not questioning yourself about things is a sign of lower iq actually..

Don't worry about it, it's a discussion thread and i'm discussing..

2 types of Adcoc, Basic (Touching) Shield (Not Touching)

Clash between Luffy and Kaido, Roger and Whitebeard (Not Touching when they clash) / it was either one or both of them uses Shield Adcoc (Most Powerful attack) they can unleash internal damage without touching.(Only very strong Coc users can use this), Luffy mistake at first when he go against Kaido at Onigashima rooftop was not imbuse his attack with Coc haki, so it wasn't strong enough but it still does damage to Kaido.

Big Mom and Kaido, Shank and Whitebeard (Touching) / both of them use basic Adcoc still powerful though, they split the sky.

Luffy actually uses Shield Adcoc (Bajrang gun) against Kaido in Magma form (prob his awakening dragon form)

I think they're all not touching.. It's just not aesthetically optimal to draw them not touching all the time.. Basicly Oda cornered himself..

I will keep in mind the possibility of AdCoC touching though.. Because now AdCoA from the Marine side is used in a way that's only point of impact like the King's punch from Elisabello.. Sort of Instant CoA flow discharge..

Maybe because Luffy doesn't have flying attacks.


How much stupid stuff can you say to try to get your way?

Attacks without names > Attacks with names. If Luffy and Kaido have used AdVCoC on unnamed attacks, Zoro can use it on any attack he pleases. Like he can use CoA on any attack. Your explanation is ridiculous. Which is normal when you try to force things by ignoring the facts of the manga.

Speaking of getting my way.. You're getting away of Bird Dance, base flying slash attack used in KoH mode..

You don't use AdCoC powered ability to send a base flying slash.. AdCoC>>>>> Base Flying Slash

Without this scene, without this attack, chapter 1010 would not exist. This is the key moment in which Luffy understands the AdvCoC.

I have given you a good number of examples, now show me an attack by Kaido that hits without touching Luffy.

It's not about Luffy, it's about AdCoC, the power.. AdCoC doesn't exist before it's explained and shown in chapter 1010..

 

[OnePeace]

I think they're all not touching.. It's just not aesthetically optimal to draw them not touching all the time.. Basicly Oda cornered himself..

I will keep in mind the possibility of AdCoC touching though.. Because now AdCoA from the Marine side is used in a way that's only point of impact like the King's punch from Elisabello.. Sort of Instant CoA flow discharge..

King Punch was like Rayleigh attack against the elephant, no Coc. Ryo type, like non touching sword slice attacks.

 

[Galahad]

Speaking of getting my way.. You're getting away of Bird Dance, base flying slash attack used in KoH mode..

You don't use AdCoC powered ability to send a base flying slash.. AdCoC>>>>> Base Flying Slash.

Luffy has used nameless and basic attacks with AdvCoC. Even Kaido has done it, who are the characters we know best. Therefore Zoro can also use it with unnamed or basic attacks or whatever he wants. As happens with the CoA.

At no time has it been said that you have to use special attacks to use AdvCoC, it is something you have invented, for a change.

It's not about Luffy, it's about AdCoC, the power.. AdCoC doesn't exist before it's explained and shown in chapter 1010..

And the explanation refers to that specific attack. Without that attack, there is no Luffy's AdvCoC, nor explanation. It is very simple. That attack is the starting point.

 

[Jackteo]

I doubt it,this arc and this moment doesnt seem to be about him at all