Controversial General Political Discussion

[Toby D. Dog]

No I don't suck. I said exactly what I had to say. One Piece stands against oppression and putting a cryptofascist flag in Luffy's hand is spitting to Oda's face.

You do in fact suck AT conveying your argument my G. Everybody agrees. In spite of me agreeing with the subtance of some of your arguments you are terrible at delivering those arguments in a palatable way.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Yes but you need to understand that those are not for the same reason. Even if it is bad, when you live under oppression for more than 50 years, its logical to be angry an wanting your oppressor dead.

The hatred of the Isralians for the palestinian doesn't come from oppresion, it comes from bigotry.

That's why I keep saying that you MUST understand who is in power here and who has the power to end the conflict.

C4N, don't waste your time discussing with donkeys.
He already is saying thay everyone that disagrees with him is muslim or islamic, he is deranged.

 

[Okamakama]

Yes but you need to understand that those are not for the same reason. Even if it is bad, when you live under oppression for more than 50 years, its logical to be angry an wanting your oppressor dead.

The hatred of the Isralians for the palestinian doesn't come from oppresion, it comes from bigotry.

That's why I keep saying that you MUST understand who is in power here and who has the power to end the conflict.

The Israelis hate the Palestinians due to bigotry.
The Palestinians hate the Israelis for the same reason.

Just because one can actually back up their hatred with full force, does not mean the other wouldn't if they could. This is how Hamas happened.
Check Palestinian propaganda (the stuff they produce in Palestine for their children to watch.) It'll enlighten you.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

C4N, don't waste your time discussing with donkeys.
He already is saying thay everyone that disagrees with him is muslim or islamic, he is deranged.

I guess I've been a Muslim extremist this entire time. Death to the west ig.

 

[Roo]

Plenty of pacific muslim country are pacific. Before the west destabilised them, of course.

Name them, the west being an evil boogey man in the MENA is kinda historically inaccurate. That place was always been plagued with wars(like Europe)

 

[Okamakama]

I guess I've been a Muslim extremist this entire time. Death to the west ig.

And you lot called me a useful idiot...
If you support Islam without studying the history... then I am lost for fucking words.

Me calling you Muslim was giving you an out. Most are born into the religion. It's taught as a core value system from a young age. Such indoctrination is hard to be undone.

If you're denying my words then you haven't studied history... fuck.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Like every supporter of a religion you always fall back on "you're a -phobic." My man, I've read the Qu'aran because I wanted to actually have an informed opinion on things. I studied the history of their prophet. What I discovered made me realise that it's a religion born through war. It's one of the only religions I know to have a specific term for committing holy war.

I literally said that Muslims aren't the problem. Religious extremism, on both sides, is. The Jewish faith believes themselves the chosen ones. The children of light. And Islam is built on war. These two have followers that are able to become radicalised and seek the holy land. I held back on judgement until I saw Muslims around the world calling for Jihad. Instead of immediately flocking to this forum, I went out and talked with some of these people. They genuinely believe it is just, not because of the years of oppression, but due to the might of Islam and their desire for it to proliferate.

I'd like to agree with you but literally any religion or movement can be used to wage war and claim supremacy over others.
You seem to have a specific dislike for Islam.

 

[Logiko]

You do in fact suck AT conveying your argument my G. Everybody agrees. In spite of me agreeing with the subtance of some of your arguments you are terrible at delivering those arguments in a palatable way.

That's because you have a bias against me bra. Trust me that in other circle, my arguments are limpid. Its all a matter of perspective.

The Israelis hate the Palestinians due to bigotry.
The Palestinians hate the Israelis for the same reason.

That's where we can't agree. You should come in France, here jew and Muslim for the most part are happy together.

The problem here is geopolitical. Propaganda in the palestinian side, exist because of the oppression, without the oppression and the colonization, there wouldn't be any propaganda against israelians or jews.

Or at least not to that extent.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Name them, the west being an evil boogey man in the MENA is kinda historically inaccurate. That place was always been plagued with wars(like Europe)

I mean, pacific may be an exageration you are right, but they defend their status quo in a similar way that the west does it, not in a secular, draconian way.

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I guess I've been a Muslim extremist this entire time. Death to the west ig.

Maybe the Muslim extremists were the friends we made along the way?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

And you lot called me a useful idiot...
If you support Islam without studying the history... then I am lost for fucking words.

Me calling you Muslim was giving you an out. Most are born into the religion. It's taught as a core value system from a young age. Such indoctrination is hard to be undone.

If you're denying my words then you haven't studied history... fuck.

I am indeed a sunni muslim. Soon I'll come to your home and add the females of your household into my never ending harem.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

pacific

BRUH STOP

 

[Okamakama]

I'd like to agree with you but literally any religion or movement can be used to wage war and claim supremacy over others.
You seem to have a specific dislike for Islam.

I literally critiqued Judaism, my bro. The religion teaches them that they're the chosen ones :'D.

If I have a particular dislike for Islam, it is due to the lies that are spread about it. They are not the religion of peace. Such claims are built on clever sophistry. The idea of killing one being equal to killing all mankind, for example, falls on deaf ears in the eyes of the law of reciprocity.

It is not the religion of peace, and I adamantly stand by that.

All religions can be used for supremacy, you are correct, but in the modern era those religions are Islam and Judaism. I've heard some even call Communism a neo religion, but I'm not willing to go that far.

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I am indeed a sunni muslim. Soon I'll come to your home and add the females of your household into my never ending harem.

Aight. First of all -- nice joke.
Secondly - I wouldn't put such an attempt past someone who has endorsed adultery.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Aight. First of all -- nice joke.
Secondly - I wouldn't put such an attempt past someone who has endorsed adultery.

Dude, how can you be so disingenuous to not understand the implications of a free pass? Now you say I'd kindap women and force them to be my wives? You are such a petty little bitch.

Get over the dua lipa debacle, that's the only thing you retards have against me.

 

[Roo]

I mean, pacific may be an exageration you are right, but they defend their status quo in a similar way that the west does it, not in a secular, draconian way.

Wasn’t Saddam gassing Kurds lol

 

[Okamakama]

Dude, how can you be so disingenuous to not understand the implications of a free pass? Now you say I'd kindap women and force them to be my wives? You are such a petty little bitch.

Get over the dua lipa debacle, that's the only thing you retards have against me.

No, it's indicative of your moral character. The fact that you were so bitchmade over Bob that you kept complaining about him after he was banned is just another feather in that cap. You cannot handle clapback. But don't worry, your little emojis will show how cool and above it all you are.

You're a whiny, self-absorbed individual who resorts to insults at the drop of a hat and then acts in faux indignation when someone comes back at you.

First of all, I did not say you'd kidnap anyone -- you said that -- as a joke, perhaps, but you still started that thread. Secondly, since you brought MY family into this, you wouldn't stand a chance, my guy. Unlike you, I'll actually stick by my woman. And thirdly, and most importantly, if all it takes for you to start calling people petty is them responding to you how YOU treat them, then you really have zero awareness. Projection, much?

Grow up.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Wasn’t Saddam gassing Kurds lol

Yeah but Saddam was put there through intervention of multiple external entities.
It's very hard to describe a "full muslim" country that's not the result of western influence in either creating it or being involbed.
I don't mean this as a get away of prison card, i think you see what i am saying.

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Wasn’t Saddam gassing Kurds lol

And Americans had concentration camps. And germani did the holocaust, and UK did same shit in china or Ireland. We cannot judge only the bad examples.

 

[Roo]

Yeah but Saddam was put there through intervention of multiple external entities.
It's very hard to describe a "full muslim" country that's not the result of western influence in either creating it or being involbed.
I don't mean this as a get away of prison card, i think you see what i am saying.

That is a get away from prison card tho. Since World War 1 the MENA has been way more connected to the west, therefore whatever happens there is likely to be a result of the west or a reaction to it.

 

[Okamakama]

That is a get away from prison card tho. Since World War 1 the MENA has been way more connected to the west, therefore whatever happens there is likely to be a result of the west or a reaction to it.

No-true Scotsman, my friend.

 

[Roo]

And Americans had concentration camps. And germani did the holocaust, and UK did same shit in china or Ireland. We cannot judge only the bad examples.

You’re the one calling them draconian, not me

also lmao you can’t compare our concentration camps to committing pseudo genocide against the Kurds. Talk about the Natives instead or something

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

ight. First of all -- nice joke.
Secondly - I wouldn't put such an attempt past someone who has endorsed adultery.

now it's getting personal 🙈

I literally critiqued Judaism, my bro. The religion teaches them that they're the chosen ones :'D.
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All religions can be used for supremacy, you are correct, but in the modern era those religions are Islam and Judaism. I've heard some even call Communism a neo religion, but I'm not willing to go that far.

The ones you mentioned are coincidentally the most populous ones. What a coincidence

If I have a particular dislike for Islam, it is due to the lies that are spread about it. They are not the religion of peace. Such claims are built on clever sophistry. The idea of killing one being equal to killing all mankind, for example, falls on deaf ears in the eyes of the law of reciprocity.

It is not the religion of peace, and I adamantly stand by that.

''Peace'' can literally mean anything. Sometimes it means ''everyone submits and shuts up because of how traumatised they are by the events of conquest''