Controversial General Political Discussion

[Toby D. Dog]

What was the criticism you added? Mentioning the crusades and violent conversions? What exactly made you believe I didn’t know of those things?

There's some people here who believe they were defensive. It's just classic revisionism.

 

[Roo]

If you did your previous statements make no sense

If you didn’t jump in and just kept reading you’d see what I think of that.

so stfu and keep reading, dumbass
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There's some people here who believe they were defensive. It's just classic revisionism.

Then Solis should talk to them instead. I am far from a religious sympathizer

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

The real question about the Crusades is whether it was a defensive militaristic war, or an offensive war. Some historians argue it was the former. Discuss.

It was a reactionary call to arms by Pope Urban II over the Seljuks successes in Anatolia.

 

[Roo]

It was a reactionary call to arms by Pope Urban II over the Seljuks successes in Anatolia.

Sad that in the end the crusaders were the ones who helped the Turks destroy the Great Roman Empire

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

dumbass

the insults have become so rare here I almost missed them💗😢🥰

 

[Okamakama]

Sad that in the end the crusaders were the ones who helped the Turks destroy the Great Roman Empire

How often do you think of the Roman Empire?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Sad that in the end the crusaders were the ones who helped the Turks destroy the Great Roman Empire

Their time was limited by the inevitable advances in military tbh. Cannons ruined Stanipol’s defenses.

 

[Roo]

How often do you think of the Roman Empire?

Every hour of every day of every month of every year

 

[Okamakama]

Every hour of every day of every month of every year

Mourn for them.

 

[NAMELESS]

It was a reactionary call to arms by Pope Urban II over the Seljuks successes in Anatolia.

Agreed.Al-Andalus is a good example of this.The reconquista war was 100% justified.

 

[Okamakama]

Their time was limited by the inevitable advances in military tbh. Cannons ruined Stanipol’s defenses.

And it's fall into decadence and lassitude. They harkened their own demise.

 

[NAMELESS]

There's some people here who believe they were defensive. It's just classic revisionism.

You do realize muslims invaded and occupied christian lands for centuries,right?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Agreed.Al-Andalus is a good example of this.The reconquista war was 100% justified.

At a certain point in history, modern justifications for war don’t really hold any weight imo.

 

[NAMELESS]

At a certain point in history, modern justifications for war don’t really hold any weight imo.

yes,of course,but the principle of ownership of the land is valid,no?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

yes,of course,but the principle of ownership of the land is valid,no?

I’d say in plenty of societies, the ownership of land is solely dependent on one’s ability to hold it.

 

[Roo]

I’d say in plenty of societies, the ownership of land is solely dependent on one’s ability to hold it.

Borders are made through warfare and conquest

 

[Okamakama]

yes,of course,but the principle of ownership of the land is valid,no?

Blood and soil really doesn't matter, to be honest. The Romans ruled the British Isles, then the Anglo-Saxons, then the Normans. If you can't hold the land, it aint yours, really.

 

[Mathias]

Every hour of every day of every month of every year

Ottoman Empire was the new Roman Empire

 

[NAMELESS]

I’d say in plenty of societies, the ownership of land is solely dependent on one’s ability to hold it.

So people can just go around robbing each other if they have the strength to do so?Come on,do better than this,Saul Goodman.
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Blood and soil really doesn't matter, to be honest. The Romans ruled the British Isles, then the Anglo-Saxons, then the Normans. If you can't hold the land, it aint yours, really.

So theft is justified?

 

[Okamakama]

So people can just go around robbing each other if they have the strength to do so?Come on,do better than this,Saul Goodman.

No. However, the way of conquest and war was common in those ages. Since I believe the concept of indigenous is ridiculous, I cannot really say that specific land belongs to a group.