General & Others Be honest, do you think One Piece is in it's way to be a historical masterpiece?
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I believe thaaaat everything depends on ENDing of this series. Naruto wasn't, Bleach also wasn't and other schonens usually failed to deliver good ending in the story, with one exception: Pandora Hearts.
Pad ndora hearts is shonen but it is different from any other shonens.
One Piece still have good chances for thaaaaaat.
I read AOTs ending, and it wasn't good for any groups for those who liked or disliked thingy where MC became final villain. Why? Because author decided to redeme MC in last chapter and it wasn't good redemption, it was redemption that makes Zero sence. If he ended story without it that story would have good ending, instead he tried that line and it wasn't good. And now he write one excuse for another, for own story.
If Oda will make same ending in OP like Kishimoto did One Piece story overall will be worser then Naruto case you read 600 chapters more to see same thing in the end.
Sooooooooo everything depends on author courage.
Pad ndora hearts is shonen but it is different from any other shonens.
One Piece still have good chances for thaaaaaat.
I read AOTs ending, and it wasn't good for any groups for those who liked or disliked thingy where MC became final villain. Why? Because author decided to redeme MC in last chapter and it wasn't good redemption, it was redemption that makes Zero sence. If he ended story without it that story would have good ending, instead he tried that line and it wasn't good. And now he write one excuse for another, for own story.
If Oda will make same ending in OP like Kishimoto did One Piece story overall will be worser then Naruto case you read 600 chapters more to see same thing in the end.
Sooooooooo everything depends on author courage.
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First: one piece needs to surpass naruto's popularity.
Oda has everything to build a historical finale and put his name in the history of comic series, but he will need to think outside the Box for that.
I consider OP once in a generation tbh, can't remember any piece of fiction going on for 3 decades on a steady flow of quality while also being interesting af.
You won’t find any other piece of fiction with as many fandoms and theories as OP.
Oda has everything to build a historical finale and put his name in the history of comic series, but he will need to think outside the Box for that.
I consider OP once in a generation tbh, can't remember any piece of fiction going on for 3 decades on a steady flow of quality while also being interesting af.
You won’t find any other piece of fiction with as many fandoms and theories as OP.
Your argument is like saying McDonald's is better than what Ferran Adrià can cook because they have sold more, or that Gasolina by Daddy Yankee is better than Dvorak's "From the New World" for the same reason.
Something created to appease mass market can be extremely popular either because of its entertainment value or how cheap it is, but it will objectively be of inferior quality, not as a product, but as a work of art. There's nothing wrong in enjoying a cheap of entertaining product just because you like it: I like plenty of "pop" stuff myself, but there as mentioned there does exist objective criteria to recognize something as an actual masterpiece.
I'm not sure why would die on such a hill. I'm guessing you studied something more scientific and have never had any particular respect or interest in literature or writing? I can understand that, but do keep in mind that you're perfectly entitled to not liking Shakespeare or Orwell, that doesn't make your taste good or bad, nor some of their work any less of a masterpiece.
I didn't enjoy reading Don Quixote de la Mancha, so I wouldn't buy it for myself or read it again. Mostly because it's too full of clever references to its own day and age that completely fly over the heads of current day readers (actually quite similar to Alice in Wonderland, but the more fantastical setting keeps that one fresh regardless so I did quite like that one), but I acknowledge its worth and the fact that it's a masterpiece for it's literary merits.
TL;DR: masterpieces exist and sales isn't a criteria. Anything like 50 Shades of Gray can become a best seller, but there is nothing to praise whatsoever about the way it's written.
Something created to appease mass market can be extremely popular either because of its entertainment value or how cheap it is, but it will objectively be of inferior quality, not as a product, but as a work of art. There's nothing wrong in enjoying a cheap of entertaining product just because you like it: I like plenty of "pop" stuff myself, but there as mentioned there does exist objective criteria to recognize something as an actual masterpiece.
I'm not sure why would die on such a hill. I'm guessing you studied something more scientific and have never had any particular respect or interest in literature or writing? I can understand that, but do keep in mind that you're perfectly entitled to not liking Shakespeare or Orwell, that doesn't make your taste good or bad, nor some of their work any less of a masterpiece.
I didn't enjoy reading Don Quixote de la Mancha, so I wouldn't buy it for myself or read it again. Mostly because it's too full of clever references to its own day and age that completely fly over the heads of current day readers (actually quite similar to Alice in Wonderland, but the more fantastical setting keeps that one fresh regardless so I did quite like that one), but I acknowledge its worth and the fact that it's a masterpiece for it's literary merits.
TL;DR: masterpieces exist and sales isn't a criteria. Anything like 50 Shades of Gray can become a best seller, but there is nothing to praise whatsoever about the way it's written.
