Character Discussion Why does Imu-sama, the supposed final villain of One Piece, seem like crap so far?!

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Sure you can maybe rationalize it a bit and translate it as blade because Whitebeard's weapon isn't a sword, but if anything that would just prove that Oda is nowhere near as pedantic and simply considers any weapons he wishes as being potential Meito, and to add to that, I would hardly consider a lance to be a bladed weapon, it has a sharp point, if you consider that a bladed weapon you may as well consider Kaido's club as one given it has pointed spikes on it lmfao.

Also, if we're saying the real life Wazamono are a 1-1 to One Piece's Meito, well, the real life Wazamono are entirely and specifically comprised of swords, no polearms, daggers, tridents or whatever at all, so again, it shows that Oda simply doesn't care to be so hyper specific and simply does whatever he wants to.

IMO Oda shouldnt have included Murakumogiri if the original list of Wazamonos was meant exclusively for swords. I think Oda is a sword enthusiast which is evident from the diverse range of swords introduced in the manga. E.g. Diamante's Indian Urumi sword, Jack's African shotel sword, etc. After studying so many conventional and unconventional swords, its possible Oda no longer strictly differentiates between bladed weapons. But adding a blunt weapon violates the entire concept. Wazamonos were classified based on their sharpness. Adding a naginata, which has a blade, is one thing, but adding a club is pushing the idea too far.

Btw databooks suck

 

[ConquistadoR]

IMO Oda shouldnt have included Murakumogiri if the original list of Wazamonos was meant exclusively for swords. I think Oda is a sword enthusiast which is evident from the diverse range of swords introduced in the manga. E.g. Diamante's Indian Urumi sword, Jack's African shotel sword, etc. After studying so many conventional and unconventional swords, its possible Oda no longer strictly differentiates between bladed weapons. But adding a blunt weapon violates the entire concept. Wazamonos were classified based on their sharpness. Adding a naginata, which has a blade, is one thing, but adding a club is pushing the idea too far.

Mihawk's Kriegsmesser too. A very, very unique design. Even the way he wields it by sometimes using the hilt is very unique.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Mihawk's Kriegsmesser too. A very, very unique design. Even the way he wields it by sometimes using the hilt is very unique.

If someone wants to learn about swords around the world, he/she can just read the One Piece wiki page about swords lol =>
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Sword

 

[Sentinel]

Except Ulquiorra is not comparable to Kaido just like Yhwach is comparable to Imu sama.

Ulquiorra from the beginning, readers know he is just 1 of Aizen's lackey, and not even the Top 3 lackey (not Top 3 Espada number wise, and fall even lower if we count other lackey like Gin).
While Kaido, prior to his defeat, people generally agreed he was the Top 1 in OP verse.

Ulquiorra didn't have major build up from the past. Kaido broke Moria mentally.
Ulquiorra is more comparable to Doffy than to Kaido.

Kaido is more comparable to Aizen.
Kaido soloed scabbards like Aizen soloed some Captains.

Well, I agree that Ulquiorra is not exactly comparable to Kaido but neither is Kaido comparable to Aizen. If it's one, it's definitely Blackbeard who will be the Aizen of One Piece.

Kaido is a mid series antagonist who won't be that relevant anymore since Blackbeard stepped up his game now. It's inevitable that Kaido gets surpassed in both portrayal and feats.
I mean, look how Shanks one shot the enemy who managed to keep up with Big Mom that much, eating her attacks while Hawkins also messed up with him. It's an understatement that Big Mom got overshadowed like that. Similar thing will also happen with Kaido if it's Blackbeard's real turn. Heck, I hope at least Shanks won't outclass Kaido either...

Being the previous villain always has the risk of picking the shorter stick at the end. Whether it's Croc - Enel - Lucci or Doffy - Katakuri. I doubt Kaido will be different.

That being said, all of those scenarios do not even involve the FINAL VILLAIN. Sasaki is just coping.

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Btw Sasaki please define what version of DBZ Krillin you really mean because if Imu ends up being as strong as DBZ Krillin, that's definitely no "little hope" - Imu would be a certified planet buster at least lol.

 

[zenox]

Kaido's track record against swordsmen just keeps growing monstrously.

kaido vs oden —> oden annihilating kaido , going for the finisher but he got distracted by the old hag ,
Kaido had to sneak him to beat him

Kaido vs zoro —> zoro absolutely fucks him in every interaction
The main reason for zoro’s downfall was kaido doing a combo attack with another yonko

Despite being super nerfed
Zoro won in his last exchange against kaido

how the hell is this a good track record ?
or do u wanna bring in some scrubs like scabbards and ushimaru just to wank ur “ wsc “

 

[BigAmmi]

I confess that I am tired; I want the power level in the One Piece universe to increase significantly so that I can say that the OP universe is stronger than at least the Barbie or Boruto universe, but this shit, except for Kaido, the Yonkous, and a few other characters, is way too weak, man... What's even more frustrating is that the final villain of this manga may not even compare to the final villains in other manga...

This is literally the worst scenario that we can have

Kishimoto ruined his manga when he followed this route

Make "God" power level is pure narrative dog's shit in manga like OP

One Piece is non DBZ

But, don't worry, IM will be way stronger than mid villain story Kaido

He will be so stronger than Yonko that they will seems like tobi roppo in comparison to him

 

[Salah WG]

He ain't Final Villain & not even Second Main Villain or even Third
Just People overreacting to a Guy calling the shots like always

 

[WorstMan]

"I can't credibly argue with fanboys of other popular manga...waaaa!"

Grow up, sir.

 

[Pringles]

The fandom is so reactionary lol

 

[Croci]

Naruto's Kaguya 2.0

 

[terabyte]

We've seen Saturn downing and paralyzing Sanji with just his eyes, and also clearly asserting superiority over Kizaru with presence alone. What makes you think the guy who commands Saturn and four others just like him is going to be weak, just because Sabo had to survive for the sake of plot? Learn how story-telling works if that's such a problem for you.

And besides, Imu still ate his fire and mauled him with one casual-looking unnamed attack, pretty good feats so far if you ask me.

 

[straightforward]

i like imu so far. he has an interesting manner of speech and his origin story is intriguing

i like him much better than blackbeard

 

[Topi Jerami]

Well, I agree that Ulquiorra is not exactly comparable to Kaido but neither is Kaido comparable to Aizen. If it's one, it's definitely Blackbeard who will be the Aizen of One Piece.

Kaido is a mid series antagonist who won't be that relevant anymore since Blackbeard stepped up his game now. It's inevitable that Kaido gets surpassed in both portrayal and feats.
I mean, look how Shanks one shot the enemy who managed to keep up with Big Mom that much, eating her attacks while Hawkins also messed up with him. It's an understatement that Big Mom got overshadowed like that. Similar thing will also happen with Kaido if it's Blackbeard's real turn. Heck, I hope at least Shanks won't outclass Kaido either...

Being the previous villain always has the risk of picking the shorter stick at the end. Whether it's Croc - Enel - Lucci or Doffy - Katakuri. I doubt Kaido will be different.

That being said, all of those scenarios do not even involve the FINAL VILLAIN. Sasaki is just coping.

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Btw Sasaki please define what version of DBZ Krillin you really mean because if Imu ends up being as strong as DBZ Krillin, that's definitely no "little hope" - Imu would be a certified planet buster at least lol.

Blackbeard is never comparable to Aizen.
Blackbeard is a growing opponent, started off pretty weak, got embarassed on screen several times (Magellan, almost lost to dying Whitebeard).
Beginning of Story Aizen was already Top Tier, he didn't start weak but growing fast like the MC like what Blackbeard does.

Blackbeard fits Naraku from Inuyasha more.

Kaido is kinda like Aizen.
Aizen had build up since the end of Soul Society arc, Kaido had build up since the end of Punk Hazard arc.
Aizen soloed Gotei 13 Captains but didn't dare to fight Yamamoto directly he had to use dirty tactics Wonderweiss. Kaido soloed Scabbards but got PTSD against Oden whom he defeated via distraction.
Aizen flexed and fucked Barragan mentally. Kaido flexed and fucked Moria mentally.

When you think about it, Fake Karakura Town arc is also not endgame, but late mid game like Wano arc is. After FKT arc ended, Bleach still had Fullbring arc before Quincy arc started.

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Btw Ulquiorra fits Katakuri. Both are challenge to the weak MC, both are losers who lost in home turf. Ulqui lost in Hueco Mondo, Kuri lost in WCI.
Both were portrayed as big fish in small pond. When the next arc started there is always bigger fish in the ocean, Starrk/Gin in FKT and King in Wano.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

One Piece verse is quite weak, man; it even loses to Boruto. The final villain is a joke compared to those in other manga series.

 

[GoldDiamond]

luffy will be the strongest in the series and I doubt he's going to be strong enough to destory planets, yes boruto is stronger

 

[park_min young]

Saturn is on track to being the most menacing villain we’ve had in One Piece, man literally popped a guy’s head off with a glare.

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Remember that this guy (alongside his 4 equals) kneels down in complete subservience to Imu, that should give you an idea on what to expect with the final villain.

 

[Malick the last Light]

Imu is pretty much hard confirmed to be over 800 years old with the immorality Saturn alone has shown. Imu will talk to Luffy like this when he shows up to the Holy Land and thinks he could challenge Imu alone just because he is the reincarnation of Joyboy/Nika.

Imu has literally never even been hinted towards being worried as far as I know. Imu is certainly not worried about Luffy just cause of a fruit, the Gorosei are sure but not Imu. Hell, Imu probably killed the god the fruit is based upon so they could rule the world via the WG!

Luffy is going to need his dad and a lot of his other allies to take down Imu. Considering the way Oda has emphasized that Luffy's greatest power is making allies? There is no shot Imu is gonna take anything less than a group battle to go down. Luffy and Dragon doing a father and son move, perhaps even alongside a thawed-out Garp will be required to put Imu in the ground for good.

Anybody who is still questioning Imus's power after one of Imus underlings in the form of Saturn got the hype he did? Is just delusional at this point.

 

[Steven]

That flame from Sabo wouldn't even kill a child, to be honest. It has no decent DC (Damage Capacity) feats; I don't think it even managed to burn a chair.

Usual clown downplay which nobody takes serious

Hiken busted a hole through the Colosseum straight to where the Smile Factory (Usopp and co) were, if the water was not converted to a gaseous state, it would have flooded through. No water had come through, so presumably the heat boiled it all away. No traces of the water were shown in the aftermath, even the anime showed the water being vaporized.

PIS with the supposed strongest final villain in the work? What is Oda thinking not to have Imu-sama kill with a single blow an opponent who was already ill, old, and on top of that, crippled?! Cobra endured two strikes, right? Sabo resisted the blow and traveled by boat to another kingdom without even being treated and was fine...

PIS is basic stuff in fiction

Cobra needed to survive until he finished his speech and Sabo needed to survive to tell Dragon what happened.

Sabo was almost dead after 1 single strike from IM.Not even Kaido can do that

Matter of fact is IM oneshotted Sabo with a casual strike and took his fire like its childsplay.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Usual clown downplay which nobody takes serious

Hiken busted a hole through the Colosseum straight to where the Smile Factory (Usopp and co) were, if the water was not converted to a gaseous state, it would have flooded through. No water had come through, so presumably the heat boiled it all away. No traces of the water were shown in the aftermath, even the anime showed the water being vaporized.

PIS is basic stuff in fiction

Cobra needed to survive until he finished his speech and Sabo needed to survive to tell Dragon what happened.

Sabo was almost dead after 1 single strike from IM.Not even Kaido can do that

Matter of fact is IM oneshotted Sabo with a casual strike and took his fire like its childsplay.

Steve-chan, stop crying with a wall of text, are you seriously hyping up the supposed final villain and the strongest being in the series just because they endured an attack that broke a wall in Dressrosa? Is that what I'm reading?!

Cobra resisted 2 attacks from Imu, and even stood up, all considering that Cobra is just an ordinary human and not a great fighter,he's even weaker than Usopp; he's an ordinary, old, and on top of that, sick person. . Imu's attack only hit Sabo because Sabo was carrying Cobra, so he couldn't use his Logia powers to fly; otherwise, it would burn Cobra. With limited mobility, Imu's attacks hit Sabo.

Imu as the final villain so far is nothing but absolute trash in terms of feats and power. Sabo's attack is weak, the heat blasts Luffy faced in Wano are much more powerful and stronger.

Sabo traveled from the Holy Land to the Lulusia Kingdom without needing medical treatment for Imu-sama's attack.
While Kaido knocks out Luffy with just one blow, Shanks does the same with Kid and Killer, and Imu fails to kill ordinary old and sick people with the first strike. LMAO.

 

[Erkan12]

Blackbeard is never comparable to Aizen.
Blackbeard is a growing opponent, started off pretty weak, got embarassed on screen several times (Magellan, almost lost to dying Whitebeard).
Beginning of Story Aizen was already Top Tier, he didn't start weak but growing fast like the MC like what Blackbeard does.

Blackbeard fits Naraku from Inuyasha more.

Kaido is kinda like Aizen.
Aizen had build up since the end of Soul Society arc, Kaido had build up since the end of Punk Hazard arc.
Aizen soloed Gotei 13 Captains but didn't dare to fight Yamamoto directly he had to use dirty tactics Wonderweiss. Kaido soloed Scabbards but got PTSD against Oden whom he defeated via distraction.
Aizen flexed and fucked Barragan mentally. Kaido flexed and fucked Moria mentally.

When you think about it, Fake Karakura Town arc is also not endgame, but late mid game like Wano arc is. After FKT arc ended, Bleach still had Fullbring arc before Quincy arc started.

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Btw Ulquiorra fits Katakuri. Both are challenge to the weak MC, both are losers who lost in home turf. Ulqui lost in Hueco Mondo, Kuri lost in WCI.
Both were portrayed as big fish in small pond. When the next arc started there is always bigger fish in the ocean, Starrk/Gin in FKT and King in Wano.

Akainu lost to same WB, is he weak too? Also he put Magellan to coma and made Magellan equal Shiryu his underling.

You said Teach scarred brat Shanks, your opinion is invalid.