Character Discussion Why does Imu-sama, the supposed final villain of One Piece, seem like crap so far?!

[RebelliousSoma]

I confess that I am tired; I want the power level in the One Piece universe to increase significantly so that I can say that the OP universe is stronger than at least the Barbie or Boruto universe, but this shit, except for Kaido, the Yonkous, and a few other characters, is way too weak, man... What's even more frustrating is that the final villain of this manga may not even compare to the final villains in other manga...

First of all, Imu isn't omniscient because he didn't even know that Sabo was in the throne room. This not only shows a lousy CoO but also that he isn't omniscient. Of course, the CoO of the characters is flawed, especially future sight, as demonstrated by the likes of Kaido, Luffy, and Katakuri. However, the fact remains that he is not omniscient. And that's a shame because there are so many characters out there in other anime and manga who are omniscient, and the strongest guy in the OP universe is a dude who isn't omniscient.

After that, the supposed final villain's first feat is hitting someone while carrying an old, crippled man on his back. That's right, Sabo was carrying King Cobra on his back, who is crippled, and Imu took advantage to attack him and still failed to knock him out. LMAOOOOOO

Spoiler: 2º

This is where I criticize Eiichiro Oda's writing for not giving Imu a solid feat because having him strike Sabo in such a dirty way? In comparison, we have Kaido defeating post-WCI Luffy with just one clean blow, mentally nerfed Big Mom beating Queen, Shanks shooting Kid and Killer. So why this ridiculous treatment regarding Imu-sama, the most powerful being in the One Piece universe?

Spoiler: 3º

Sabo traveled from the Holy Land to the kingdom of Lulusia on a ship with an open wound without receiving any treatment and remained conscious the entire way.

Spoiler: 4º

This is the power of Imu's attacks, but from what you can see, Imu's attacks had difficulty even killing a crippled, old and sick snake king.

Spoiler: 5º

The most significant display of power from Imu came from a copy of an ancient weapon and not from himself, which made the kingdom of Lulusia disappear from the map. However, we know that before that, the government used to summon a Buster Call in which the Gorosei themselves were present. If the easiest way to eliminate threats without anyone escaping is to explode the island and erase it from the map, if someone there had that power, it would surely be used. But no, Imu prefers to call dozens of ships, encircle an island, and start shooting. WTF, Kaido would melt the island and kill everyone with his sheer individual power.

Spoiler: 6º

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You're downplaying Sabo.

Both Imu and Sabo are EOS top tiers. They play 9D chess that you can't even grasp.

 

[Steven]

To him everything about Kaido is perfect

In terms of written,Kaido is a mess

Pretty much all plotpoints around were never touched again.The reason he wanted to die,which more or less never came up again,was never said.The JoyBoy stuff.His insane shitty flashback etc etc

 

[Topi Jerami]

Akainu lost to same WB, is he weak too? Also he put Magellan to coma and made Magellan equal Shiryu his underling.

You said Teach scarred brat Shanks, your opinion is invalid.

You haven't taken a bath
Your opinion is invalid.

 

[BlackLegFring]

I don’t think that Sasaki foresaw this becoming a Kaido bashing session.

 

[Johnny B. Decent]

I don’t think that Sasaki foresaw this becoming a Kaido bashing session.

Neither did he see getting beaten to death with a giant oar by Musashi.

 

[Psychiatrist]

After defeating kaido, Godfy is already top 1 in one piece verse. He has become so powerful, that the author has to create an immortal endgame villain out of nowhere.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I confess that I am tired; I want the power level in the One Piece universe to increase significantly so that I can say that the OP universe is stronger than at least the Barbie or Boruto universe, but this shit, except for Kaido, the Yonkous, and a few other characters, is way too weak, man... What's even more frustrating is that the final villain of this manga may not even compare to the final villains in other manga...

First of all, Imu isn't omniscient because he didn't even know that Sabo was in the throne room. This not only shows a lousy CoO but also that he isn't omniscient. Of course, the CoO of the characters is flawed, especially future sight, as demonstrated by the likes of Kaido, Luffy, and Katakuri. However, the fact remains that he is not omniscient. And that's a shame because there are so many characters out there in other anime and manga who are omniscient, and the strongest guy in the OP universe is a dude who isn't omniscient.

After that, the supposed final villain's first feat is hitting someone while carrying an old, crippled man on his back. That's right, Sabo was carrying King Cobra on his back, who is crippled, and Imu took advantage to attack him and still failed to knock him out. LMAOOOOOO

Spoiler: 2º

This is where I criticize Eiichiro Oda's writing for not giving Imu a solid feat because having him strike Sabo in such a dirty way? In comparison, we have Kaido defeating post-WCI Luffy with just one clean blow, mentally nerfed Big Mom beating Queen, Shanks shooting Kid and Killer. So why this ridiculous treatment regarding Imu-sama, the most powerful being in the One Piece universe?

Spoiler: 3º

Sabo traveled from the Holy Land to the kingdom of Lulusia on a ship with an open wound without receiving any treatment and remained conscious the entire way.

Spoiler: 4º

This is the power of Imu's attacks, but from what you can see, Imu's attacks had difficulty even killing a crippled, old and sick snake king.

Spoiler: 5º

The most significant display of power from Imu came from a copy of an ancient weapon and not from himself, which made the kingdom of Lulusia disappear from the map. However, we know that before that, the government used to summon a Buster Call in which the Gorosei themselves were present. If the easiest way to eliminate threats without anyone escaping is to explode the island and erase it from the map, if someone there had that power, it would surely be used. But no, Imu prefers to call dozens of ships, encircle an island, and start shooting. WTF, Kaido would melt the island and kill everyone with his sheer individual power.

Spoiler: 6º

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I thought we all understood by now that PLOT is greater than power scaling

 

[Blackbeard]

I vote

The blackbeard yonkou is the final villain (Thankfully).

 

[Sentinel]

How scary, it even seems like your guesses are going to come true man

I know.

keep denying what is written in the manga, deny that one of the favorite characters to be the final villain was calling Kaidou a fearsome monster, attribute a hypothetical idea that BB will become more powerful than he is so that his beliefs make sense, and try to defend Imu-sama for not being able to do something that even Base Kaidou can do, which is knock out Sabo.

I fully accept the manga as it is: The potential final villain almost killing Sabo in his silhuette shape when Kaido was completely irrelevant when he looked like this:

Blackbeard can call Kaido a monster as much as he likes; it does not change the fact that EOS Blackbeard is still far stronger than Kaido. Kaido gets recognition for his power and this is not even wrong. Nobody does silly downplay like "Kaido was injured by Izo", "got stabbed by Kiku", they just want to tell you to stop living in your la la fantasy world where Kaido is apparently the final villain.

The fact that you bring admirals along, whom you also heavily downplayed throughout your forum history by the way, to prove your point is maximum embarrassment buddy. Nothing changes once again. Imu is still a silhouette who almost killed Sabo with his tail. He commands 5 top tiers and rules over the world. If you want to see feats, unfortunately you still have to wait 5 years at least. Have fun with the wait.

Kaidou > Imu & BB

Again, stomping on the ground whilst throwing a tantrum won't make Kaido stronger than BB and Imu.

I suggest you start waiting patiently for one of your headcanon to be written by Oda.

I don't wait because I actually read the story, understand the plot and my reading comprehension isn't actually that of a fly.

Good point, Imu's lethality isn't better than that of Akainu and Aokiji, who, in a moment of distraction, can dismember people, while Imu fails to do so even when his opponent is running with their back turned to him and carrying a crippled man on top of it.

Dude, you act like we've already seen everything about Imu's power and his all out feats when he's still a fucking silhouette who merely used his tail (?) and used shapeshifting to eat Sabo's flames. Pretty disingenuous to compare characters with known abilities and already decent showings to a silhouette...

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

I know.



I fully accept the manga as it is: The potential final villain almost killing Sabo in his silhuette shape when Kaido was completely irrelevant when he looked like this:

Blackbeard can call Kaido a monster as much as he likes; it does not change the fact that EOS Blackbeard is still far stronger than Kaido. Kaido gets recognition for his power and this is not even wrong. Nobody does silly downplay like "Kaido was injured by Izo", "got stabbed by Kiku", they just want to tell you to stop living in your la la fantasy world where Kaido is apparently the final villain.

The fact that you bring admirals along, whom you also heavily downplayed throughout your forum history by the way, to prove your point is maximum embarrassment buddy. Nothing changes once again. Imu is still a silhouette who almost killed Sabo with his tail. He commands 5 top tiers and rules over the world. If you want to see feats, unfortunately you still have to wait 5 years at least. Have fun with the wait.



Again, stomping on the ground whilst throwing a tantrum won't make Kaido stronger than BB and Imu.



I don't wait because I actually read the story, understand the plot and my reading comprehension isn't actually that of a fly.



Dude, you act like we've already seen everything about Imu's power and his all out feats when he's still a fucking silhouette who merely used his tail (?) and used shapeshifting to eat Sabo's flames. Pretty disingenuous to compare characters with known abilities and already decent showings to a silhouette...

Good morning, Sentinel-kun.
Kaido > Imu
Kaido > Blackbeard.

Your hypotheses don't change that.

 

[Konstantis]

Good morning, Sentinel-kun.
Kaido > Imu
Kaido > Blackbeard.

Your hypotheses don't change that.

Such strong words for this nonsence, I hope you wouldn't delete account when we will see that Kaido was never the strongest

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Such strong words for this nonsence, I hope you wouldn't delete account when we will see that Kaido was never the strongest

Kaido will always be the strongest of all time.
Imu-sama, who can't defeat Sabo even with the support of the five Gorosei, should not be compared to a deity and an Azure Dragon like Kaido.

 

[Konstantis]

Kaido will always be the strongest of all time.
Imu-sama, who can't defeat Sabo even with the support of the five Gorosei, should not be compared to a deity and an Azure Dragon like Kaido.

your power scaling brain didn't understand what means PLOT?
Maybe Imu can't use haki or he will be senced? LOL
Your point are riddicules. Kaido is just like a bubble that blow

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

your power scaling brain didn't understand what means PLOT?
Maybe Imu can't use haki or he will be senced? LOL
Your point are riddicules. Kaido is just like a bubble that blow

I don't want to hear this from a guy who goes around giving final forms to characters who haven't even been introduced. LMAO.

 

[Sentinel]

Good morning, Sentinel-kun.
Kaido > Imu
Kaido > Blackbeard.

Your hypotheses don't change that.

I wouldn't really use hypotheses on a random OP powerscaling forum about whether x is stronger than y but okay.

Sorry buddy but:
Blackbeard > Kaido
Imu > Kaido
Roger > Kaido
Primebeard > Kaido
And so on.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

I wouldn't really use hypotheses on a random OP powerscaling forum about whether x is stronger than y but okay.

Sorry buddy but:
Blackbeard > Kaido
Imu > Kaido
Roger > Kaido
Primebeard > Kaido
And so on.

King disagrees with that list, just as Kaido himself does. If there's a hypothesis of any character being > Kaido, it's Joyboy, as Kaido himself hints at that. Prime Whitebeard and Roger are not stronger than Kaido, just like Imu-sama and Blackbeard, who have been consistently portrayed as inferior individuals.

 

[Sentinel]

King disagrees with that list, just as Kaido himself does.

What Kaido thinks is irrelevant; villains tend to be biased when talking about themselves.
Even when fighting Luffy, Kaido was praising Roger's Haki like nothing, especially his abilities as a conqueror. He also believed he's weaker than Joyboy by default, even without fighting him. This is just the beginning man. Characters will be introduced who will be stronger than Kaido, it's inevitable.

Prime Whitebeard and Roger are not stronger than Kaido

Keep believing yourself.

just like Imu-sama and Blackbeard, who have been consistently portrayed as inferior individuals.

Maybe in Sasaki's la la world which was created by his Headcanon Headcanon no Mi.

There is nothing which portrays EOS villains below Kaido.
By the way, I believe Kaido's title is legit. I don't think he's a fraud for that or anything like that. But titles aren't the end of the world. Just like Whitebeard's title did not put him above Roger.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

What Kaido thinks is irrelevant; villains tend to be biased when talking about themselves.
Even when fighting Luffy, Kaido was praising Roger's Haki like nothing, especially his abilities as a conqueror. He also believed he's weaker than Joyboy by default, even without fighting him. This is just the beginning man. Characters will be introduced who will be stronger than Kaido, it's inevitable.



Keep believing yourself.



Maybe in Sasaki's la la world which was created by his Headcanon Headcanon no Mi.

There is nothing which portrays EOS villains below Kaido.
By the way, I believe Kaido's title is legit. I don't think he's a fraud for that or anything like that. But titles aren't the end of the world. Just like Whitebeard's title did not put him above Roger.

Here, I've decided to reveal part of my power scale to you, so make sure to keep this in mind...

When Luffy, Joyboy, defeats the final villain, whether it's Imu-sama or Blackbeard, he will finally be prepared to fight Kaido without receiving any help, such as the 9 retainers, Law, Zoro, Kid, Killer, Yamato, Kaido lifting the island, a truckload of food from Caribou for Luffy, Kaido not pausing for a second and mostly playing during the fight. Then, Luffy will be ready to go 1-on-1 against Kaido without assistance. This fight will reach an extreme difference, and Luffy loses in the end, with Kaido concluding that not even Joyboy, whom he believed could defeat him, is capable of defeating him. So, the power scale becomes: Kaido > Joyboy > final villain.

Blackbeard and Imu do not have statements from the author that place them above Kaido. Their feats are also not better than those of Kaido.

When you find a statement that says BB and Imu > Kaido, I can stop to read what you write, man. However, your assumption that X and Y will be the strongest is not going to convince me otherwise because you are not the author, and you don't know how Oda will work with these characters in the future. The only thing I see is you inflating the power scale abnormally, stating hypothetical things as if they were facts, and ultimately relying on assumptions.

This is why you're trying to defend the initial poor portrayal of Imu-sama because you're trying to create the perfect villain, right? Both Imu-sama and Blackbeard are flawed and have their low points; their high points so far are not better than Kaido's.

 

[Owl Ki]

I don’t think that Sasaki foresaw this becoming a Kaido bashing session.

The saddest thing is, I am certain the reason why Sasaki wanks Kaido so hard isn't because he actually likes Kaido as a character but because he just wants to be seen stanning the bloke he thought would be the strongest till EoS.

The thought of characters surpassing Kaido enrages him because (a) it means he wasn't stanning the strongest character all this time and (b) it removes the sole reason why he stanned Kaido this entire time to begin with.

This is why I consider Kaido stans to be so weird. They don't actually like Kaido, they just like his power level.

 

[Sentinel]

Here, I've decided to reveal part of my power scale to you, so make sure to keep this in mind...

For the love of god, please Sasaki - don't turn into another sanjikun who keeps making his fave villain relevant. This is honestly just sad.

When Luffy, Joyboy, defeats the final villain, whether it's Imu-sama or Blackbeard, he will finally be prepared to fight Kaido without receiving any help, such as the 9 retainers, Law, Zoro, Kid, Killer, Yamato, Kaido lifting the island, a truckload of food from Caribou for Luffy, Kaido not pausing for a second and mostly playing during the fight. Then, Luffy will be ready to go 1-on-1 against Kaido without assistance. This fight will reach an extreme difference, and Luffy loses in the end, with Kaido concluding that not even Joyboy, whom he believed could defeat him, is capable of defeating him. So, the power scale becomes: Kaido > Joyboy > final villain.

This is turning into some maximum headcanon nonsense lmfaoo.

Dude, Luffy already beat Kaido and became Yonko. There's nothing which benefits Luffy to beat Kaido again. At worst Kaido will be just another Lucci being low diffed by Luffy's strongest mode.

Blackbeard and Imu do not have statements from the author that place them above Kaido. Their feats are also not better than those of Kaido.

The story keeps moving forward; how do you know that BB and Imu would never receive titles like that? As far as I know, either Blackbeard or Imu could even receive titles like "World Devourer" or some similar crazy stuff. You are not omniscient and you obviously do not have Oda's scripts at your home either - so I highly doubt you already know what Oda exactly plans to do with BB and Imu. Unless you're following some patterns (there is actually no pattern of mid series villain > final villain), everything you state is baseless.

When you find a statement that says BB and Imu > Kaido, I can stop to read what you write, man.

Can you find a statement which says Kaido > BB and Imu? I guess not.
See how ridiculous these questions are? Do you think this is some "gotcha!" moment?

This is why you're trying to defend the initial poor portrayal of Imu-sama because you're trying to create the perfect villain, right?

Which bad portrayal bruh?
Imu's portrayal is great so far lmao.

Both Imu-sama and Blackbeard are flawed and have their low points; their high points so far are not better than Kaido's.

Blackbeard's portrayal is crystal clear - starts being the underdog, weak and later on grows to be one of the strongest characters in the verse. EOS BB is at least top 3.
That's literally Blackbeard's entire existence as a character. He isn't meant to start as an overpowered 10000 yo mastermind who schemes everything like some 300 IQ genius. It's a slow progress but eventually, Blackbeard will surpass everyone but Luffy who seeks to find the One Piece. Kaido is NO exception.