Controversial General Political Discussion

[Roo]

He is drawing false equivalences calling civilians terrorists, posting pictures of an army commiting war crimes qnd occupying foreign land and calling it "cool". This jus t in the alst two pages.
Oh, also implying that west bank citisen deserve to be shot

No he isn’t, you guys are strawmanning the shit out of his points. I don’t even agree with the guy(as you can see in my last few post) but I don’t resort to crazy strawmans like these

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

No he isn’t, you guys are strawmanning the shit out of his points. I don’t even agree with the guy(as you can see in my last few post) but I don’t resort to crazy strawmans like these

Ehm, did he not write that those images were cool?
Did he not call citizen throwing rocks to AN OCCUPYING FOREIGN FORCE IN THEIR LAND terrorists?
Do i have to quote the messages?
Strawman, lol.

 

[Logiko]

No he isn’t, you guys are strawmanning the shit out of his points. I don’t even agree with the guy(as you can see in my last few post) but I don’t resort to crazy strawmans like these

No. You are just oblivious to actual crypto fascist rethoric.

Its not about agreeing or not, free speach has its limits. And he justified oppression and genocide.

So I will be banned before I stop reporting this guy.

 

[Roo]

Ehm, did he not write that those images were cool?
Did he not call citizen throwing rocks to AN OCCUPYING FOREIGN FORCE IN THEIR LAND terrorists?
Do i have to quote the messages?
Strawman, lol.

Yes, go ahead and quote it.

he said “citizens throwing rocks at combatants = criminals/terrorist”

that doesn’t imply your average West Bank citizen deserves to be shot, nor a genocide

 

[AL sama]

Those things are also used a lot in West Bank. It looks like however those are real army forces (on the way to targets) and not anti-protest cops so I don't think they have those stuff on them.

you trying to sell me that the army came in unprepared in such a critical situation??

if so then the army is at fault

even a kid can see something like this happening

 

[Toby D. Dog]

ok tejas can go

So let me get this straight, you're a Muslim (or used to be) and you've shown this mf leniency despite his clear calls for genocide?? Jesus christ AL, you don't have to be that patient.

 

[Roo]

No. You are just oblivious to actual crypto fascist rethoric.

I just don’t think everybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi or a fascist. Keep your buzzwords for the uneducated

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I'm saying they came to fight armed terrorists. So they have real bullets and not rubber bullets and water. So of course ppl throwing rocks will get shot in. They have the danger of the armed terrorists joining in, so they can't ignore the rocks

This u?

Or is he your uncle?

 

[Logiko]

I just don’t think everybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi or a fascist. Keep your buzzwords for the uneducated

I rarely use the term "fascist". You should know that by now.
I'm always very careful because this is a very specific type of behavior.
And here, we have the behavior of a crypto fascist programmed desinformer.

I won't stand for that. He needs to go. Or to stop.

 

[NikaInParis]

So far, the direct numbers are 1180 arrests, out of those 740 Hamas.

For example the last action there was:
"Afterwards, soldiers acted in Jenin refugee camp to destroy terror facilities. In the operation engineering tools revealed explosive charges under roads that would be used to hurt forces. In the operation armed terrorists shot and threw explosives at the soldiers. Additionally, an aircraft attacks terrorists who were shooting at the soldiers.
In raids, a battelion discovered and destroyed an underground tunnel which had ammo inside, and guns and military equipment was confiscated"

So stuff like these are the targets.

Well in Jenin camp they blew up around 400 civilians just to kill 1 Hamas officer (allegedly)
So those numbers of 740 arrested Hamas members are smoke and mirrors - more than half could be regular civs
And what is that discrepancy 1180 arrests but 740 Hamas. Who are those other 440?

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Who are those other 440?

The same "friends" he tells his mom he actually has but never brings over.

 

[AL sama]

So let me get this straight, you're a Muslim (or used to be) and you've shown this mf leniency despite his clear calls for genocide?? Jesus christ AL, you don't have to be that patient.

a staff member should never be reckless

also yes I m a muslim although I m not very religious anymore

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Yes, go ahead and quote it.

he said “citizens throwing rocks at combatants = criminals/terrorist”

that doesn’t imply your average West Bank citizen deserves to be shot, nor a genocide

Here is the picture of him calling "cool" invasion, occupation of foreign land, collective punishment and bombing.

Spoiler

new cool idf pics:

From the attack in Al-Burigh (or however you type it):

Bunch of other small things:

- thai/filipino workers were holding flags and singing the national anthem in a kibbutz
- Muhammed Al-Buhaity of the Yemen Houti terrorists blames Saudi Arabia of working with USA and Israel, and he promises Saudis his attacks won't hurt them (as some failed attacks already hit Egypt, Jordan) "It's disrespectful to you and especially when you see what happens to our brothers in Gaza"
- Abu Fadah Al-Muhamadawi (holy shit those names are hard to type in english) the "chief of staff" of Shia militias in Iraq told them to increase alertness in their forces to be ready for any unusual thing happening in the coming days (to me it sounds like they're planning to attack some US bases to show solidarity)
- Rocket from very far away was intercepted and stopped: https://videoidf.azureedge.net/09196348-fac6-45a4-9fac-f0d04a10a1bc
probably from Houtis I'd assume
- And of course a bunch of sirens in Israel, but that's the usual weather forecast

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Also more stuff from yesterday I forgot:

Innocent West Bank civilians throwing rocks at IDF (I can't be bothered to upload the whole video so I'll post screenshots

And more innocent civilians throwing rocks at Jaba

Here, he openly calls the act of the IDF oppression, and he is okay with it:

Spoiler

uh not really my idea of protest tbh
to me it looks like IDF forces coming to patrol the area and arrest/attack terrorists being met with rocks thrown at them by people
a protest is something organized with permits by the police and not a bunch of people trying to kill soldiers

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well, when you don't think it's breaking international law, doing war crimes, and genocide, and you justify the opression, then yes, it's cool
Plus, it looks cool just from an aesthetics point of view.

And here, he draws the equivalence that throwing rocks at an occupying army = terrorism.

no I don't
if civilians start to gang up and throw rocks, they are no longer simple civilians, they are now criminals/terrorists.
That detained guy from the video, where the soldier called him names and kicked him? a detained terrorist. Was it right to talk bad to him and kick him? no. do I have empathy for a terrorist? not really

I called them civilians (the rock throwing pictures) sarcastically to show the absurdity

And here, he finally says it. It's their fault for throwing rocks if they get shot.

I'm saying they came to fight armed terrorists. So they have real bullets and not rubber bullets and water. So of course ppl throwing rocks will get shot at. They have the danger of the armed terrorists joining in, so they can't ignore the rocks

 

[Toby D. Dog]

a staff member should never be reckless

also yes I m a muslim although I m not very religious anymore

It's not about being reckless tho, He's crossed the line multiple times. Is he perma thread banned?

 

[AL sama]

I'm saying they came to fight armed terrorists. So they have real bullets and not rubber bullets and water. So of course ppl throwing rocks will get shot at. They have the danger of the armed terrorists joining in, so they can't ignore the rocks

you just said its not a war zone

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It's not about being reckless tho, He's crossed the line multiple times. Is he perma thread banned?

yup

 

[Roo]

Here is the picture of him calling "cool" invasion, occupation of foreign land, collective punishment and bombing.

Here, he openly calls the act of the IDF oppression, and he is okay with it:

And here, he draws the equivalence that throwing rocks at an occupying army = terrorism.


And here, he finally says it. It's their fault for throwing rocks if they get shot.

Yes, agajn none of these call for shooting random west bank’s citizens or genocide. I literally called him out of the occupation of the West Bank like 5 post before lol.

you have to engage with intellectual honesty.

 

[NikaInParis]

Could be other terrorist groups, like PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad), or unaffiliated people who got a smuggled gun.

Or civilians, which is way more likely

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Yes, agajn none of these call for shooting random west bank’s citizens or genocide. I literally called him out of the occupation of the West Bank like 5 post before lol.

you have to engage with intellectual honesty.

He says that it's their fault that they get shot if they throw rocks at an occupying army.

I'm saying they came to fight armed terrorists. So they have real bullets and not rubber bullets and water. So of course ppl throwing rocks will get shot at. They have the danger of the armed terrorists joining in, so they can't ignore the rocks

 

[Toby D. Dog]

At this point it is very evident that @JohnnyBme's signature is not only the cringiest and most delusional shit ever to be shown in this forum, but that he has bought into the propaganda that all Palestinians are terrorists. If he's saying that throwing rocks = terrorism then he'll use any excuse to justify the murder and ethnic cleansing of these people.

Plus he's calling a terrorist group like the IDF cool, if anyone called hamas cool in here there'd be hell to pay.

 

[JohnnyBme]

Or civilians, which is way more likely

that's the "unaffiliated people who got a smuggled gun"
once a civilian committed and is arrested for terrorism, is he not a terrorist?