Controversial Why people are so salty because of Imu and his Gorosei could be the final bosses in the series
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On the contrary, Oda has been telling us that Blackbeard would be the final villain since he introduced him, there are so many elements that I'm not even going to bother saying them all.
That he's not your typical super badass shonen villain is why you desperately hope he's Imu, a completely improvised character created at the end of the manga.
That he's not your typical super badass shonen villain is why you desperately hope he's Imu, a completely improvised character created at the end of the manga.
"So many elements" doesn't even list them. Lmfao not. You're just not listing them because you have none. Anyways theres many more story-related reasons why he won't be the final villain, apart from being too weak, not badass/intimidating/tension creating:
1. We got like what, 10 BB chapters in Egghead? The more the info about the character is revealed, the more its likely his meeting Luffy soon....And getting beat by Luffy. And we know Luffy isn't close to becoming Pirate King yet, relatively.
2. Literally Blackbeard ship off the coast of Egghead + Luffys grandpa seemingly beat by subordinates of Blackbeard (Luffy always goes for the leader).
3. Kaido literally saying abilities ain't enough to conquer the world and referencing Roger. Who's got all abilities and like no haki? BB.
4. Joy boy. Literally joy boy vs the person (Imu) that 99% killed the previous Joy boy.
Now that Saturn been confirmed a fighter, most likely top tier means that Imu is guaranteed final villain. BB is too much of a bum. He does not stand a chance against pirate king Luffy.
1. We got like what, 10 BB chapters in Egghead? The more the info about the character is revealed, the more its likely his meeting Luffy soon....And getting beat by Luffy. And we know Luffy isn't close to becoming Pirate King yet, relatively.
2. Literally Blackbeard ship off the coast of Egghead + Luffys grandpa seemingly beat by subordinates of Blackbeard (Luffy always goes for the leader).
3. Kaido literally saying abilities ain't enough to conquer the world and referencing Roger. Who's got all abilities and like no haki? BB.
4. Joy boy. Literally joy boy vs the person (Imu) that 99% killed the previous Joy boy.
Now that Saturn been confirmed a fighter, most likely top tier means that Imu is guaranteed final villain. BB is too much of a bum. He does not stand a chance against pirate king Luffy.
Do you want me to list some?
1- He was presented as the evil version of Luffy.
2- He has a strong relationship with Shanks (the goal that Luffy wants to overcome and why this story exists) and will almost certainly defeat/kill him.
3- Only person in history who can eat several akuma no mi.
4- Fruit of darkness, typical final shonen villain ability
5- Only villain who improves along with the protagonist, while the rest sit back and wait for Luffy to go to his island to be defeated.
6- Taking point 2 into account and that Oda said that he has not changed the ending in all these decades, clearly the final villain will be Shanks' executioner.
Your claims that he is too weak are also silly because:
-He is a Yonko and has an admiral under his command.
- Blackbeard gets stronger over time, just like Luffy
All of this simply overwhelms the improvised character who secretly plays with butterflies and talks like a child.
1- He was presented as the evil version of Luffy.
2- He has a strong relationship with Shanks (the goal that Luffy wants to overcome and why this story exists) and will almost certainly defeat/kill him.
3- Only person in history who can eat several akuma no mi.
4- Fruit of darkness, typical final shonen villain ability
5- Only villain who improves along with the protagonist, while the rest sit back and wait for Luffy to go to his island to be defeated.
6- Taking point 2 into account and that Oda said that he has not changed the ending in all these decades, clearly the final villain will be Shanks' executioner.
Your claims that he is too weak are also silly because:
-He is a Yonko and has an admiral under his command.
- Blackbeard gets stronger over time, just like Luffy
All of this simply overwhelms the improvised character who secretly plays with butterflies and talks like a child.
1. Lets see who else was presented as some XXXX version of Luffy: Katakuri, had the family + morality/teetering on good person thing going on, most importantly, extremely similar fruit to Luffy that could everything could do, just better. Still got defeated early. Kaido: Thought he was Joy Boy (or the gone bad version of him). Still defeated early. Also "evil version of Luffy" is straight up nonsense considering Blackbeard's dream is to be a subordinate Kingdom under WG, and be the king of BB kingdom. Remind me where Luffy's dream is remotely similar. Also why does that mean he has to be the final villain again? Lol.
2. Lol no he doesn't. BB and Shanks have like only once met in the entire series, and it was BB pissing and shitting his pants and running from BB. Also BB ain't doing shit to Shanks, Shanks negs and is his mortal weakness. Shanks is the new Roger, Luffy will fight Shanks for the Pirate King title on Laugh Tale. Blackbeard is getting killed by Luffy next arc on Elbaf considering his ship is near the shores and Luffy will sail with Vegapunk who can make artificial DF's and the last poneglpyh is probably on Elbaf and the fact that BB knows where the burn scars man is, and looks like Vegapunk not only knows him but who better to ask then the worlds smartest man? Oh, and BB wanted to use Koby to make a deal with WG for BB kingdom, handing over Vegapunk, who even a elder got into battle and revealed himself for, is the perfect bargaining chip. Blackbeard is getting packed up b Luffy on Elbaf. His not making it to Laugh Tale. Laugh Tale will be Luffy (SH pirates), Shanks (RH Pirates) and Cross guild who'll fall upwards there, Buggy will be the comic relief probably fighting Nami or Ussopp or something and Luffy will fight Shanks, Zoro will fight Mihwak, and Shanks>>>>>>>>>>Mihawk being confirmed there too.
3. Worthless. Oda has made his intentions clear. Haki transcends all. DF's are not enough to conquer the world. No matter how strong they are or how many. Confirmation that BB ain't end game or even PK tier opponent. Imu will be final and Shanks will be Laugh Tale.
4. Lol and? Moria had shadow powers, Kaido a giant blue dragon god and Saturns literally a Japanese yokai with satanic powers. Any of those have more "final shounen villain ability" then BB. BB's fruit is just a knockoff. Imus probably the devil or some kind of transcendental being who has power of all the DF's and is immune to water or something, add that in with 800 years of haki training and Imu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BB any day in terms of typical final shounen.
5. Lol. Said who? Shanks went from being the weakest emperor years ago to blasting them all always with feats from foddering admirals and 1 shotting Kid/Killer getting repped by Kaido etc etc. Someone weaker then Kaido can't be a final villain for PK Level Luffy, that just ain't happening lmao.
6. Looool. Tf you talking about acting like Oda doesn't change stuff at the drop of a hat from Luffy's fruit to literally making stuff he himself said in vivre cards wrong in chapters, and he literally said he'd change the One Piece ending if it was predicted lmao. BB is getting executed by Luffy long before he touches Shanks. Shanks is Roger V2 confirmed with DD now. Talking about shounen trope, ain't that 1 too? Mentee surpasses the mentor. Shanks is a stand in for Roger, his a material hurdle that Luffy has to cross to become the PK, beat Roger V2 AKA the one Roger gave his hat to AKA the one that set him on his journey. Haki transcends all. BB ain't built for that role. His getting packed in Elbaf maybe fullalead but his not making it to Laugh Tale.
Lmfao. And? Did you casually forget the said admiral solo negging like 25% of his crew whilst he watched and could do nothing but sweat and deescalate and persuade him to join? Luffy just 1 shotted a admiral. Just more foreshadowing of Luffy V BB fight coming very soon (next arc). BB ships on the shore and Luffys got Vegapunk, his underling presumably killed Garp. Thats the build up + motivation + plot device all in 1. ITs too late for BB to avoid it now, his getting packed really soon. His gonna be the next major villain to go down (assuming Saturn doesn't get beat straight).
Lol worthless. His nothing but another mob to train Luffys haki up to scratch for Roger V2, who in turn connect him up to the final villain of the story; Imu. Freedom V Oppression. No amount of BB copium is gonna save him now. It was over for him the moment he revealed his dream to be a kingdom under the WG. Lol.
2. Lol no he doesn't. BB and Shanks have like only once met in the entire series, and it was BB pissing and shitting his pants and running from BB. Also BB ain't doing shit to Shanks, Shanks negs and is his mortal weakness. Shanks is the new Roger, Luffy will fight Shanks for the Pirate King title on Laugh Tale. Blackbeard is getting killed by Luffy next arc on Elbaf considering his ship is near the shores and Luffy will sail with Vegapunk who can make artificial DF's and the last poneglpyh is probably on Elbaf and the fact that BB knows where the burn scars man is, and looks like Vegapunk not only knows him but who better to ask then the worlds smartest man? Oh, and BB wanted to use Koby to make a deal with WG for BB kingdom, handing over Vegapunk, who even a elder got into battle and revealed himself for, is the perfect bargaining chip. Blackbeard is getting packed up b Luffy on Elbaf. His not making it to Laugh Tale. Laugh Tale will be Luffy (SH pirates), Shanks (RH Pirates) and Cross guild who'll fall upwards there, Buggy will be the comic relief probably fighting Nami or Ussopp or something and Luffy will fight Shanks, Zoro will fight Mihwak, and Shanks>>>>>>>>>>Mihawk being confirmed there too.
3. Worthless. Oda has made his intentions clear. Haki transcends all. DF's are not enough to conquer the world. No matter how strong they are or how many. Confirmation that BB ain't end game or even PK tier opponent. Imu will be final and Shanks will be Laugh Tale.
4. Lol and? Moria had shadow powers, Kaido a giant blue dragon god and Saturns literally a Japanese yokai with satanic powers. Any of those have more "final shounen villain ability" then BB. BB's fruit is just a knockoff. Imus probably the devil or some kind of transcendental being who has power of all the DF's and is immune to water or something, add that in with 800 years of haki training and Imu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BB any day in terms of typical final shounen.
5. Lol. Said who? Shanks went from being the weakest emperor years ago to blasting them all always with feats from foddering admirals and 1 shotting Kid/Killer getting repped by Kaido etc etc. Someone weaker then Kaido can't be a final villain for PK Level Luffy, that just ain't happening lmao.
6. Looool. Tf you talking about acting like Oda doesn't change stuff at the drop of a hat from Luffy's fruit to literally making stuff he himself said in vivre cards wrong in chapters, and he literally said he'd change the One Piece ending if it was predicted lmao. BB is getting executed by Luffy long before he touches Shanks. Shanks is Roger V2 confirmed with DD now. Talking about shounen trope, ain't that 1 too? Mentee surpasses the mentor. Shanks is a stand in for Roger, his a material hurdle that Luffy has to cross to become the PK, beat Roger V2 AKA the one Roger gave his hat to AKA the one that set him on his journey. Haki transcends all. BB ain't built for that role. His getting packed in Elbaf maybe fullalead but his not making it to Laugh Tale.
Lmfao. And? Did you casually forget the said admiral solo negging like 25% of his crew whilst he watched and could do nothing but sweat and deescalate and persuade him to join? Luffy just 1 shotted a admiral. Just more foreshadowing of Luffy V BB fight coming very soon (next arc). BB ships on the shore and Luffys got Vegapunk, his underling presumably killed Garp. Thats the build up + motivation + plot device all in 1. ITs too late for BB to avoid it now, his getting packed really soon. His gonna be the next major villain to go down (assuming Saturn doesn't get beat straight).
Lol worthless. His nothing but another mob to train Luffys haki up to scratch for Roger V2, who in turn connect him up to the final villain of the story; Imu. Freedom V Oppression. No amount of BB copium is gonna save him now. It was over for him the moment he revealed his dream to be a kingdom under the WG. Lol.
Your copium level is impressive
1- Blackbeard's dream is not to be a king of a kingdom, lol. His dream is to be king of the pirates and king of the world.
2- Everything Shanks has done in history is related to Blackbeard, so Blackbeard will kill RogerV2 and become the Top 1 of the verse.
3- Luffy is already fighting against the Gorosei and the Navy and of course, in the next saga this conflict will continue, Oda will not jump into a conflict with Blackbeard when Egghead will declare war against the Government and the Navy.
Imu probably only occupies the throne because he is one of the original 20 kings.
Blackbeard will kill him and take the throne, that's why Imu was so scared buying the final villain's bounty poster.
1- Blackbeard's dream is not to be a king of a kingdom, lol. His dream is to be king of the pirates and king of the world.
2- Everything Shanks has done in history is related to Blackbeard, so Blackbeard will kill RogerV2 and become the Top 1 of the verse.
3- Luffy is already fighting against the Gorosei and the Navy and of course, in the next saga this conflict will continue, Oda will not jump into a conflict with Blackbeard when Egghead will declare war against the Government and the Navy.
Imu probably only occupies the throne because he is one of the original 20 kings.
Blackbeard will kill him and take the throne, that's why Imu was so scared buying the final villain's bounty poster.
Your copium level is impressive
1- Blackbeard's dream is not to be a king of a kingdom, lol. His dream is to be king of the pirates and king of the world.
2- Everything Shanks has done in history is related to Blackbeard, so Blackbeard will kill RogerV2 and become the Top 1 of the verse.
3- Luffy is already fighting against the Gorosei and the Navy and of course, in the next saga this conflict will continue, Oda will not jump into a conflict with Blackbeard when Egghead will declare war against the Government and the Navy.
Imu probably only occupies the throne because he is one of the original 20 kings.
Blackbeard will kill him and take the throne, that's why Imu was so scared buying the final villain's bounty poster.
1- Blackbeard's dream is not to be a king of a kingdom, lol. His dream is to be king of the pirates and king of the world.
2- Everything Shanks has done in history is related to Blackbeard, so Blackbeard will kill RogerV2 and become the Top 1 of the verse.
3- Luffy is already fighting against the Gorosei and the Navy and of course, in the next saga this conflict will continue, Oda will not jump into a conflict with Blackbeard when Egghead will declare war against the Government and the Navy.
Imu probably only occupies the throne because he is one of the original 20 kings.
Blackbeard will kill him and take the throne, that's why Imu was so scared buying the final villain's bounty poster.
There was hundreds posts about Imu as the final villain and why he shouldn't be final villain, his comparison to Kaguya from Naruto, and that became a reason why proper thread about Imu should exist.
Gorosei was introduced in chapter 233 that called: Those who rules this world.
This chapter was famous all time case it introduced Whitebeard strongest man in the world, Shichibukai and Gorosei. Now from the moment when I saw those old dudes I've got feeling thay possibly could be the final villains in the series. After W7/Ennies Lobby saga this feeling about Gorosei beign the final villains grew even stronger. Ancient Kingdom created One Piece, D. Clan inherited will of people who was citizens or rulers of Ancient Kingdom. And after Marinford war the feeling that the real final enemy is World Goverment became only stronger, case translation of WB last words implied that after finding One Piece where will be war(now that could be wrong translation, but that was feeling I've got there).
I even theorised that there could be hidden king of WG, or someone can became King of WG to became the final villain in this series. But that theory was hell weak. Gorosei even with scars that implied from chapter 233 that they should be fighters, wasn't someone who could take role of final villain. Luffy has to fight the real leader of organization, not just against one of elders. That's the hidden rule of any shonen.
But then we saw Imu first time and that was answer that I was looking for. Imu the Immortal King of World Goverment, who personaly destroyed Ancient Kingdom and was the reason of One Piece story existance is the real Final VIllain of this series.
Luffy and his crew from Arabasta was fighting against World Goverment, not just pirates. WG was the reason why Shichibukai existance, which caoused the cosequences in face of Crocodile who decided to take over whole kingdom. WG was Roger's main enemy, case WG killed so many people who somehow contacted with Roger, and WG dig ground wil klling even babys to find Roger's son. Akainu and Marines are WG puppets was exist to protect WG. WG was real Luffy's enemy in entire series untill we faced Younko.
Now I know people could be furious because of my next words, but Younko are nothing more than just fillers. The only reason why they exist was to give Luffy challenge between pirates, to make him great pirate and nothing more. Defeating Younko never was end goal of series.
But there is still question, that should be asked, what about Marshal D. Teach? His name gave you answer already. He is from D. Clan, maybe he is not good guy, but he wants One Piece, his is Luffy's rival, but rival doesn't mean the Final Enemy, depending on series ofcourse. The Main reason why both Luffy and Teach are trying their best to find One Piece is to fullfill inherited will of their ancestors, whi was killed by Imu the King of WG.
SO why then people don't want Imu to be the final villain?
It is simple because of headcanons and desire for Younko to be the strongest in the whole world. Same goes with Admiral fans who don't want for power scaling change so much, that their beloved admiral wouldn't be even in top 10 strongest characters. Each reason creates own agenda. While other readers just want this story to be just a pirate story, due their agenda that pirate story is story when pirates are fighting against pirates. BUT in reality pirate story was always fighing between pirates and military forces of some countries.
Best example here should Pirates of the Caribbean, where after dealing with Davy Jones pirates Will Turner and Jack Sparrow united their forces against Invincible strongest Millirary ship and destroyed it. Basically main enemy of pirates was force like WG, but they was fighing against pirates most of time.
But could same enging work with One PIece? I can Imagine Luffy became the King of Pirates and unites forces against WG, but the something strange starts to happening: Marrines broke in two branches, that created a possibilty that Marrines forces will be not united in the final battle. While due the fact that Luffy will be King he wll summon all his alies from W7 to Wano country, that we met in this series. But for what? To deal with WG the ancient kingdom real enemy.
Gorosei was introduced in chapter 233 that called: Those who rules this world.
This chapter was famous all time case it introduced Whitebeard strongest man in the world, Shichibukai and Gorosei. Now from the moment when I saw those old dudes I've got feeling thay possibly could be the final villains in the series. After W7/Ennies Lobby saga this feeling about Gorosei beign the final villains grew even stronger. Ancient Kingdom created One Piece, D. Clan inherited will of people who was citizens or rulers of Ancient Kingdom. And after Marinford war the feeling that the real final enemy is World Goverment became only stronger, case translation of WB last words implied that after finding One Piece where will be war(now that could be wrong translation, but that was feeling I've got there).
I even theorised that there could be hidden king of WG, or someone can became King of WG to became the final villain in this series. But that theory was hell weak. Gorosei even with scars that implied from chapter 233 that they should be fighters, wasn't someone who could take role of final villain. Luffy has to fight the real leader of organization, not just against one of elders. That's the hidden rule of any shonen.
But then we saw Imu first time and that was answer that I was looking for. Imu the Immortal King of World Goverment, who personaly destroyed Ancient Kingdom and was the reason of One Piece story existance is the real Final VIllain of this series.
Luffy and his crew from Arabasta was fighting against World Goverment, not just pirates. WG was the reason why Shichibukai existance, which caoused the cosequences in face of Crocodile who decided to take over whole kingdom. WG was Roger's main enemy, case WG killed so many people who somehow contacted with Roger, and WG dig ground wil klling even babys to find Roger's son. Akainu and Marines are WG puppets was exist to protect WG. WG was real Luffy's enemy in entire series untill we faced Younko.
Now I know people could be furious because of my next words, but Younko are nothing more than just fillers. The only reason why they exist was to give Luffy challenge between pirates, to make him great pirate and nothing more. Defeating Younko never was end goal of series.
But there is still question, that should be asked, what about Marshal D. Teach? His name gave you answer already. He is from D. Clan, maybe he is not good guy, but he wants One Piece, his is Luffy's rival, but rival doesn't mean the Final Enemy, depending on series ofcourse. The Main reason why both Luffy and Teach are trying their best to find One Piece is to fullfill inherited will of their ancestors, whi was killed by Imu the King of WG.
SO why then people don't want Imu to be the final villain?
It is simple because of headcanons and desire for Younko to be the strongest in the whole world. Same goes with Admiral fans who don't want for power scaling change so much, that their beloved admiral wouldn't be even in top 10 strongest characters. Each reason creates own agenda. While other readers just want this story to be just a pirate story, due their agenda that pirate story is story when pirates are fighting against pirates. BUT in reality pirate story was always fighing between pirates and military forces of some countries.
Best example here should Pirates of the Caribbean, where after dealing with Davy Jones pirates Will Turner and Jack Sparrow united their forces against Invincible strongest Millirary ship and destroyed it. Basically main enemy of pirates was force like WG, but they was fighing against pirates most of time.
But could same enging work with One PIece? I can Imagine Luffy became the King of Pirates and unites forces against WG, but the something strange starts to happening: Marrines broke in two branches, that created a possibilty that Marrines forces will be not united in the final battle. While due the fact that Luffy will be King he wll summon all his alies from W7 to Wano country, that we met in this series. But for what? To deal with WG the ancient kingdom real enemy.
56 cuz 5=go 6=mu
if this is not canon i will be very disappointed in OPs ending
p.s. Luffy's dream is to have Nami, Robin, Hancock and Shirahoshi to be oiled up and twerking in his face.
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Your copium level is impressive
1- Blackbeard's dream is not to be a king of a kingdom, lol. His dream is to be king of the pirates and king of the world.
2- Everything Shanks has done in history is related to Blackbeard, so Blackbeard will kill RogerV2 and become the Top 1 of the verse.
3- Luffy is already fighting against the Gorosei and the Navy and of course, in the next saga this conflict will continue, Oda will not jump into a conflict with Blackbeard when Egghead will declare war against the Government and the Navy.
Imu probably only occupies the throne because he is one of the original 20 kings.
Blackbeard will kill him and take the throne, that's why Imu was so scared buying the final villain's bounty poster.
1- Blackbeard's dream is not to be a king of a kingdom, lol. His dream is to be king of the pirates and king of the world.
2- Everything Shanks has done in history is related to Blackbeard, so Blackbeard will kill RogerV2 and become the Top 1 of the verse.
3- Luffy is already fighting against the Gorosei and the Navy and of course, in the next saga this conflict will continue, Oda will not jump into a conflict with Blackbeard when Egghead will declare war against the Government and the Navy.
Imu probably only occupies the throne because he is one of the original 20 kings.
Blackbeard will kill him and take the throne, that's why Imu was so scared buying the final villain's bounty poster.