Do you think these people were born violent? And if not, what do you think made them violent?
No, I don't. Probably the fucking textbooks they hand out in kindergartens there glorifying the murder of Jews. You can start there.
To quote Human Rights Watch:
Maybe you should
not quote a corrupt organization as paet of your sudden urge to think you know what the fuck your talking about.
Blud I'm literally converting to Judaism. Part of that involves a study of jewish history. I've studied the entire history behind the zionist movement.
And no it isn't antisemitic to oppose Zionism( a jewish nationalist movement), no more than it is anti-white to oppose a white nationalist movement, or anti muslim to oppose a muslim nationalist movement.
Zionism is an ideology created by non-religious jews based off the nationalist and colonialist ideas that were popular in Europe at the end of the 19th century. In practice zionism has violated much of the fundamental principles of judaism and there ar several jewish sects, as well as secular jewish organizations that reject zionism.
I don't give a fuck if you're converting to the metric system, you've studied both wrong, abhorrent information.
Zionism is an ideology for Jews to live in their ancestral homeland, where they can be free of the persecution that had plagued them everywhere they had been. The only thing it has to do woth any kind of European policies is the fact that those policies led to the murder of Jews at every turn. Zionism has not violated Jewish ideals, and those "several" sects you speak of are a tiny, fringe minority that exist as tokens for various racists worldwide. The overwhelming majority of Jews, over 90% depending on the country, are Zionist. It
is absolutely antisemetic to be antizionist, especially considering every other religion is allowed a statehood. There are over 40 Muslim countries for instance. The Vatican is a city state in the heart of Rome. Judeo-Christianity built much of the west. But god forbid Jews have a place where they aren't butchered.
That is exactly what happened to them. Jews were a minority of the population in British palestine. The jewish majority was created via ethnic cleansing of the palestinians.
No, its not. British Mandate palestine was recommended by the UN to be partitioned, and then the surrounding Arab armies tried to exterminate them and got pushed back.
The Palestinians aren't just mindless jew haters. The reason why they reject a jewish state is because they have claim to the entirety of the land.
Before Israel, Palestinians had the entirety of the land. Then they were disposed by the zionist movement. Zionists bought land from landlords and then evicted all of the palestinian tenants in order to make space for jews. Then there was the actual expulsions and massacres that happened in 1948 that forced the palestinians from their homes and made them refugees.
The "two state solution" is inherently a compromise on the part of palestinians because it means giving up their literal birthright that they were violently expelled from in 1948.
No, they do not have claim to the entirety of the land. Jews have claim to it dating back thousands of years, long before Arabs or Islam were even an existence in that region. It was conquered by Rome, and then the Ottomans which brought the Arabs into the region, both of whom oppressed the Jews. For fucks sake, the name "Palestine" was bestowed upon the area by the Romans as a cruel reference to an ancient Jewish enemy, the Philistines.
Again, they werent evicted, they fled because the army they sent after the Jews to exterminate them were beaten back.
The two state solution is not an inherent compromise for any one party, its a compromise for both, that has failed due in large part to the racism of Arab leaders in the area that don't want anything other than the complete and utter extermination of the Jews ("From the river to the sea...). It is not their birthright to murder a population that had been there long before Muhammad was even a concept.
The concept of a jewish nation is fundamentally flawed. Why should a nation exist solely for the benefit of jews? That's essentially what Israel seeks to be.
I have absolutely zero connection to the land of palestine. It is not my home, nor was it the home of my ancestors. Yet once I convert, I would be eligible for Israeli citizenship under the law of return.
Yet there are people in gaza and the west bank who are ineligible for Israeli citizenship, despite their families having lived in that land for centuries.
Yes, jews should be able to live free lives without persecution. But so should every other ethnic and religious group. But Israel only cares about the freedom of one particular group.
First, its not "fundamentally flawed." Second, it doesn't only exist "solely for the benefit of Jews," nor is that "what Israel seeks to be." Third, it exists as a refuge for Jews, should they need it. If you can't understand why it
must exist, then you're every bit historically illiterate as I've condemned you to be thus far.
Yes, you would have that right. Do yourself a favor and figure out why it is that you, even though you're not born a Jew, would have access to that particular refuge. An adequate hint is that the people who hunted Jews in every century never gave a fuck about your life story, only that you were a Jew. They'd have hung your ass or gassed you regardless.
That last line is a crock of bullshit, but then again, you've displayed you have zero idea what you're talking about to begin with. If you had any interest in not being a token for people that are going to hate you anyway, you'd read actual history instead of the truncated bullshit you've been reading enough to spew this idiocy. Don't quote me with another response, man. I have neither the time nor patience for bs, and everything you've said reeks of it.
