Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

If your "understanding" has led you to this screed of a conclusion, then you need to check your sources.

"These people aren't inherently violent." How fucking dumb do you have to be to suggest that about an organization that has in its charter that it seeks to murder every Jew inhabiting Israel? That beheads babies and rapes women and parades them around like trophies, that slits the belly of a pregnant woman and kills the unborn child in front of her before killing her?

Do you think these people were born violent? And if not, what do you think made them violent?

Don't use words if you don't know what they mean. They aren't living under an occupation of anyone other than Hamas, which was elected in 2007, two years after Israel pulled out and removed their citizens from the West Bank. They don't live under apartied, because theyre not governed by Israel, and the Israeli Arabs that do live under the government fully participate in it, with their own political parties and their justices in the supreme court.

To quote Human Rights Watch:

While international human rights law gives wide latitude to governments with regard to entry of foreigners, Israel has heightened obligations toward Gaza residents. Because of the continuing controls Israel exercises over the lives and welfare of Gaza’s inhabitants, Israel remains an occupying power under international humanitarian law, despite withdrawing its military forces and settlements from the territory in 2005. Both the UN and the International Committee of the Red Cross, the guardians of international humanitarian law, have reached this determination. As the occupying power, Israel remains bound to provide residents of Gaza the rights and protections afforded to them by the law of occupation. Israeli authorities continue to control Gaza’s territorial waters and airspace, and the movement of people and goods, except at Gaza’s border with Egypt. Israel also controls the Palestinian population registry and the infrastructure upon which Gaza relies.

The full article:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15

Same for "Zionism," because I'm wholly sure that wherever you looked up all that other nonsense would have tried to say Zionism is evil and antizionism isn't antisemitism (which it most certainly is).

Blud I'm literally converting to Judaism. Part of that involves a study of jewish history. I've studied the entire history behind the zionist movement.

And no it isn't antisemitic to oppose Zionism( a jewish nationalist movement), no more than it is anti-white to oppose a white nationalist movement, or anti muslim to oppose a muslim nationalist movement.

Zionism is an ideology created by non-religious jews based off the nationalist and colonialist ideas that were popular in Europe at the end of the 19th century. In practice zionism has violated much of the fundamental principles of judaism and there are several jewish sects, as well as secular jewish organizations that reject zionism.

The prison you speak of is one where the Warden is Hamas, and no, they werent "violently kicked out of their homes,"

That is exactly what happened to them. Jews were a minority of the population in British palestine. The jewish majority was created via ethnic cleansing of the palestinians.

And no, it is not the fault of Israel that they defend themselves over and over again. The only correct thing you said in this pile of uninformed bullshit is that peace talks have fallen apart again and again and again, because the Palestinian leaders refused to accept a state in 1938, 1948, 1967, 2000, 2001, and 2008, purely because it meant having to live alongside a place where Jews could live without persecution. The fucking leader of the Arab population in British-Mandate Palestine was a fucking Nazi, ffs. An actual, bona-fide Nazi. Part of the party. Went to Germany to chat with the Furher and all.
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The Palestinians aren't just mindless jew haters. The reason why they reject a jewish state is because they have claim to the entirety of the land.

Before Israel, Palestinians had the entirety of the land. Then they were disposed by the zionist movement. Zionists bought land from landlords and then evicted all of the palestinian tenants in order to make space for jews. Then there was the actual expulsions and massacres that happened in 1948 that forced the palestinians from their homes and made them refugees.

The "two state solution" is inherently a compromise on the part of palestinians because it means giving up their literal birthright that they were violently expelled from in 1948.
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The concept of a jewish nation is fundamentally flawed. Why should a nation exist solely for the benefit of jews? That's essentially what Israel seeks to be.

I have absolutely zero connection to the land of palestine. It is not my home, nor was it the home of my ancestors. Yet once I convert, I would be eligible for Israeli citizenship under the law of return.

Yet there are people in gaza and the west bank who are ineligible for Israeli citizenship, despite their families having lived in that land for centuries.


Yes, jews should be able to live free lives without persecution. But so should every other ethnic and religious group. But Israel only cares about the freedom of one particular group.

 

[OEKaneki]

Do you think these people were born violent? And if not, what do you think made them violent?

No, I don't. Probably the fucking textbooks they hand out in kindergartens there glorifying the murder of Jews. You can start there.

To quote Human Rights Watch:

Maybe you should not quote a corrupt organization as paet of your sudden urge to think you know what the fuck your talking about.

Blud I'm literally converting to Judaism. Part of that involves a study of jewish history. I've studied the entire history behind the zionist movement.

And no it isn't antisemitic to oppose Zionism( a jewish nationalist movement), no more than it is anti-white to oppose a white nationalist movement, or anti muslim to oppose a muslim nationalist movement.

Zionism is an ideology created by non-religious jews based off the nationalist and colonialist ideas that were popular in Europe at the end of the 19th century. In practice zionism has violated much of the fundamental principles of judaism and there ar several jewish sects, as well as secular jewish organizations that reject zionism.

I don't give a fuck if you're converting to the metric system, you've studied both wrong, abhorrent information.

Zionism is an ideology for Jews to live in their ancestral homeland, where they can be free of the persecution that had plagued them everywhere they had been. The only thing it has to do woth any kind of European policies is the fact that those policies led to the murder of Jews at every turn. Zionism has not violated Jewish ideals, and those "several" sects you speak of are a tiny, fringe minority that exist as tokens for various racists worldwide. The overwhelming majority of Jews, over 90% depending on the country, are Zionist. It is absolutely antisemetic to be antizionist, especially considering every other religion is allowed a statehood. There are over 40 Muslim countries for instance. The Vatican is a city state in the heart of Rome. Judeo-Christianity built much of the west. But god forbid Jews have a place where they aren't butchered.

That is exactly what happened to them. Jews were a minority of the population in British palestine. The jewish majority was created via ethnic cleansing of the palestinians.

No, its not. British Mandate palestine was recommended by the UN to be partitioned, and then the surrounding Arab armies tried to exterminate them and got pushed back.

The Palestinians aren't just mindless jew haters. The reason why they reject a jewish state is because they have claim to the entirety of the land.

Before Israel, Palestinians had the entirety of the land. Then they were disposed by the zionist movement. Zionists bought land from landlords and then evicted all of the palestinian tenants in order to make space for jews. Then there was the actual expulsions and massacres that happened in 1948 that forced the palestinians from their homes and made them refugees.

The "two state solution" is inherently a compromise on the part of palestinians because it means giving up their literal birthright that they were violently expelled from in 1948.

No, they do not have claim to the entirety of the land. Jews have claim to it dating back thousands of years, long before Arabs or Islam were even an existence in that region. It was conquered by Rome, and then the Ottomans which brought the Arabs into the region, both of whom oppressed the Jews. For fucks sake, the name "Palestine" was bestowed upon the area by the Romans as a cruel reference to an ancient Jewish enemy, the Philistines.

Again, they werent evicted, they fled because the army they sent after the Jews to exterminate them were beaten back.

The two state solution is not an inherent compromise for any one party, its a compromise for both, that has failed due in large part to the racism of Arab leaders in the area that don't want anything other than the complete and utter extermination of the Jews ("From the river to the sea...). It is not their birthright to murder a population that had been there long before Muhammad was even a concept.

The concept of a jewish nation is fundamentally flawed. Why should a nation exist solely for the benefit of jews? That's essentially what Israel seeks to be.

I have absolutely zero connection to the land of palestine. It is not my home, nor was it the home of my ancestors. Yet once I convert, I would be eligible for Israeli citizenship under the law of return.

Yet there are people in gaza and the west bank who are ineligible for Israeli citizenship, despite their families having lived in that land for centuries.

Yes, jews should be able to live free lives without persecution. But so should every other ethnic and religious group. But Israel only cares about the freedom of one particular group.

First, its not "fundamentally flawed." Second, it doesn't only exist "solely for the benefit of Jews," nor is that "what Israel seeks to be." Third, it exists as a refuge for Jews, should they need it. If you can't understand why it must exist, then you're every bit historically illiterate as I've condemned you to be thus far.

Yes, you would have that right. Do yourself a favor and figure out why it is that you, even though you're not born a Jew, would have access to that particular refuge. An adequate hint is that the people who hunted Jews in every century never gave a fuck about your life story, only that you were a Jew. They'd have hung your ass or gassed you regardless.

That last line is a crock of bullshit, but then again, you've displayed you have zero idea what you're talking about to begin with. If you had any interest in not being a token for people that are going to hate you anyway, you'd read actual history instead of the truncated bullshit you've been reading enough to spew this idiocy. Don't quote me with another response, man. I have neither the time nor patience for bs, and everything you've said reeks of it.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

If your "understanding" has led you to this screed of a conclusion, then you need to check your sources.

"These people aren't inherently violent." How fucking dumb do you have to be to suggest that about an organization that has in its charter that it seeks to murder every Jew inhabiting Israel? That beheads babies and rapes women and parades them around like trophies, that slits the belly of a pregnant woman and kills the unborn child in front of her before killing her?

Don't use words if you don't know what they mean. They aren't living under an occupation of anyone other than Hamas, which was elected in 2007, two years after Israel pulled out and removed their citizens. They don't live under apartied, because theyre not governed by Israel, and the Israeli Arabs that do live under the government fully participate in it, with their own political parties and their justices in the supreme court. Lord, I hope you didn't crawl into the section of that stupidity where your source talked about "genocide," lest you use that wrong too. Same for "Zionism," because I'm wholly sure that wherever you looked up all that other nonsense would have tried to say Zionism is evil and antizionism isn't antisemitism (which it most certainly is).

The prison you speak of is one where the Warden is Hamas, and no, they werent "violently kicked out of their homes," they were pushed back when they, and the surrounding Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948, just a day after the UN recommended that the land be partitioned into an Jewish state alongside and Arab state. Israel doesn't "routinely bomb the shit out of them," they respond, like every sovereign government has a responsibility to, to Hamas launching indiscriminate missiles aimed at schools and hospitals and civilians. The respond with target airstrikes that sometimes overlap with aforementioned places because Hamas simultaneously uses those facilities as operations for their murder plans.

And no, it is not the fault of Israel that they defend themselves over and over again. The only correct thing you said in this pile of uninformed bullshit is that peace talks have fallen apart again and again and again, because the Palestinian leaders refused to accept a state in 1938, 1948, 1967, 2000, 2001, and 2008, purely because it meant having to live alongside a place where Jews could live without persecution. The fucking leader of the Arab population in British-Mandate Palestine was a fucking Nazi, ffs. An actual, bona-fide Nazi. Part of the party. Went to Germany to chat with the Furher and all.

Wherever you learned this idiocy, mark that off your "trusted source" list and try the fuck again.

Entirely unsurprising that this thread is as fucking dumb as the rest of this hellsite.

why don't you get mad about your own people doing this stuff to babies?

What about your textbooks that teach you that you're god's greatest race and everyone else are less than human? I never understand these fake crocodile tears and appeals to morality when the people you're defending do all the same, and worse. A child is killed by Israel every ten minutes in Gaza. Why don't you care?

imagine if england today just decided "everyone without english blood is an animal that needs to be cleansed from our land" like israel, and drove everyone out who wasn't a white englishman, and kept concentration camps so they could have a slave class to torture and play with like israel does. the international community would never tolerate it and they would see it as the return of ancient racist imperialism, or worse, the return of nazism.

why are you special? why do you get to have a white supremacist nation with pure blood? why is that admirable? why should we help you do this?

 

[OEKaneki]

why don't you get mad about your own people doing this stuff to babies?

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What about your textbooks that teach you that you're god's greatest race and everyone else are less than human? I never understand these fake crocodile tears and appeals to morality when the people you're defending do all the same, and worse. A child is killed by Israel every ten minutes in Gaza. Why don't you care?

The people that would wear shit like that are scum.

There is no textbook that teaches anything like that. And no, a child is not killed every ten minutes in Gaza. You're a fucking moron for even typing that. Don't quote me again, man. Ive said my piece in here. Unfortunately that lighting button is close to the notifications and I got drawn into a rabbit hole of idiocy, and I don't intend on going further. There was a reason i hadn't been back in months, just got a whole new one 🤣

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

why is it so hard to find proof that hamas baked 40 beheaded babies in an oven and then photographed their mothers giving thumbs up, but so EASY to find proof that israel slaughters women and children by the hundreds with fire bombs? what's next, you'll gas the palestinians?

i cant even make a joke without it being real, my god

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Is it just me or do Zionists tend to be unhinged and ragepilled?

Like I’ve noticed how zionists always rage at neturei karta just because they’re Jews who oppose Israel.

 

[NikaInParis]

If your "understanding" has led you to this screed of a conclusion, then you need to check your sources.

"These people aren't inherently violent." How fucking dumb do you have to be to suggest that about an organization that has in its charter that it seeks to murder every Jew inhabiting Israel? That beheads babies and rapes women and parades them around like trophies, that slits the belly of a pregnant woman and kills the unborn child in front of her before killing her?

Don't use words if you don't know what they mean. They aren't living under an occupation of anyone other than Hamas, which was elected in 2007, two years after Israel pulled out and removed their citizens. They don't live under apartied, because theyre not governed by Israel, and the Israeli Arabs that do live under the government fully participate in it, with their own political parties and their justices in the supreme court. Lord, I hope you didn't crawl into the section of that stupidity where your source talked about "genocide," lest you use that wrong too. Same for "Zionism," because I'm wholly sure that wherever you looked up all that other nonsense would have tried to say Zionism is evil and antizionism isn't antisemitism (which it most certainly is).

The prison you speak of is one where the Warden is Hamas, and no, they werent "violently kicked out of their homes," they were pushed back when they, and the surrounding Arab nations attacked Israel in 1948, just a day after the UN recommended that the land be partitioned into an Jewish state alongside and Arab state. Israel doesn't "routinely bomb the shit out of them," they respond, like every sovereign government has a responsibility to, to Hamas launching indiscriminate missiles aimed at schools and hospitals and civilians. The respond with target airstrikes that sometimes overlap with aforementioned places because Hamas simultaneously uses those facilities as operations for their murder plans.

And no, it is not the fault of Israel that they defend themselves over and over again. The only correct thing you said in this pile of uninformed bullshit is that peace talks have fallen apart again and again and again, because the Palestinian leaders refused to accept a state in 1938, 1948, 1967, 2000, 2001, and 2008, purely because it meant having to live alongside a place where Jews could live without persecution. The fucking leader of the Arab population in British-Mandate Palestine was a fucking Nazi, ffs. An actual, bona-fide Nazi. Part of the party. Went to Germany to chat with the Furher and all.

Wherever you learned this idiocy, mark that off your "trusted source" list and try the fuck again.

Entirely unsurprising that this thread is as fucking dumb as the rest of this hellsite.

The gall to be so wrong would be comendable if it didn't concern the genocidal apartheid regime of the state of Israel

 

[OEKaneki]

why is it so hard to find proof that hamas baked 40 beheaded babies in an oven and then photographed their mothers giving thumbs up, but so EASY to find proof that israel slaughters women and children by the hundreds with fire bombs? what's next, you'll gas the palestinians?

The former had been verified by independent journalists and governments worldwide, the latter is Hamas propaganda aided by the fact that Hamas hides themselves in civilian populations to try and emit that effect, which they are mostly unsuccessful at given that Israel tries to limit casualties as possible. Simple enough. Anyways, like I said, Im done here. The stupidity is a tick too much.
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genocidal apartheid

Don't use words if you don't know what they mean. And until you do don't quote me again. Actually, don't ever quote me. Toodles.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Is it just me or do Zionists tend to be unhinged and ragepilled?

Like I’ve noticed how zionists always rage at neturei karta just because they’re Jews who oppose Israel.

its just a savage, bloodthirsty ideology. zionists look at the world like they deserve to be on top and anyone who doesn't help them is an animal that should be tamed, penned, or slaughtered. hody jones' personality but an entire political ideology. it's permitted to lie, cheat, steal from, kill, rape, torture, whatever you want, as long as it means you have power and you win.
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The former had been verified by independent journalists and governments worldwide, the latter is Hamas propaganda aided by the fact that Hamas hides themselves in civilian populations to try and emit that effect, which they are mostly unsuccessful at given that Israel tries to limit casualties as possible. Simple enough. Anyways, like I said, Im done here. The stupidity is a tick too much.
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Don't use words if you don't know what they mean. And until you do don't quote me again. Toodles.

i like that you can't even stick to one part of your propaganda, you just had to launch into a defense of killing innocent people.

what if i think israel should stop using human shields by building settlements close to the border? that rave should not have been in military territory. israel should be ashamed of using human shields against hamas. does that sound crazy to you? that's how crazy you sound to normal people.

"israel has tried to limit casualties" after they kill 500 innocent people in a hospital to MAYBE get ONE hamas official. it would be laughable if you weren't the second coming of the nazis.

 

[NikaInParis]

The former had been verified by independent journalists and governments worldwide, the latter is Hamas propaganda aided by the fact that Hamas hides themselves in civilian populations to try and emit that effect, which they are mostly unsuccessful at given that Israel tries to limit casualties as possible. Simple enough. Anyways, like I said, Im done here. The stupidity is a tick too much.
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Don't use words if you don't know what they mean. And until you do don't quote me again. Actually, don't ever quote me. Toodles.

You're a bad bot
Look at JohnnyBryne for advice

 

[OEKaneki]

it would be laughable if you weren't the second coming of the nazis.

Careful, if you say your antisemitism out loud, everyone will know you hate Jews.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

its just a savage, bloodthirsty ideology. zionists look at the world like they deserve to be on top and anyone who doesn't help them is an animal that should be tamed, penned, or slaughtered. hody jones' personality but an entire political ideology. it's permitted to lie, cheat, steal from, kill, rape, torture, whatever you want, as long as it means you have power and you win.

Well, not really. It’s just that they tend to be really brainwashed by propaganda.

 

[NikaInParis]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/live...live-news-communications-blackout-across-gaza
1.5 million internally displaced people

On forced displacement of civilians:
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/c...of the,crime in international armed conflicts.

Now, either all those 1.5 million are Hamas soldiers, OR, and hear me out, Civilians are systemically targeted

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Careful, if you say your antisemitism out loud, everyone will know you hate Jews.

A Nazi pointing at someone speaking up and saying "look! He hates Jews!" Honestly, I think you and the Zionists hate Jews more than anyone else. You hear the Buchenwald prisoners say "Never again!" and think "Yes, never again will it happen to ME! I'll do it to everyone else, the scum!" You have no respect for what being Jewish apparently means, or what Moses said God commanded his people to do. You seem to think the only true language is violence. It's a real shame that you have fellowship with these insane beliefs.
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Well, not really. It’s just that they tend to be really brainwashed by propaganda.

There are many brainwashed, but many true believers too. There are some that will truly never understand why they're evil. They can look dead in the eyes of a crying baby and shoot it with a gun because the baby is from an evil race. This is the mentality of the Israelis dropping bombs.

 

[OEKaneki]

A Nazi pointing at someone speaking up and saying "look! He hates Jews!" Honestly, I think you and the Zionists hate Jews more than anyone else. You hear the Buchenwald prisoners say "Never again!" and think "Yes, never again will it happen to ME! I'll do it to everyone else, the scum!" You have no respect for what being Jewish apparently means, or what Moses said God commanded his people to do. You seem to think the only true language is violence. It's a real shame that you have fellowship with these insane beliefs.

Lmao you're racist and stupid. Got it. Don't quote me again man, seriously.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

Lmao you're racist and stupid. Got it. Don't quote me again man, seriously.

I could say the same about you, but I tried to appeal to your emotions and guilt your better nature. I suppose you have none.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Don't use words if you don't know what they mean. And until you do don't quote me again. Actually, don't ever quote me. Toodles

Almost every single human rights org describes Israel as an apartheid state. You can cope all you want, but that's what's happening. How about instead of crying you give me back my tax money?

 

[OEKaneki]

Almost every single human rights org describes Israel as an apartheid state. You can cope all you want, but that's what's happening. How about instead of crying you give me back my tax money?

Again, don't use words if you don't know what they mean.

But anyway, nice (not really) chatting with you all. Hopefully won't be back around for a long while.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Again, don't use words if you don't know what they mean.

Dude, Palestinians are third class citizens at best. That's what the fuck it means. Now give me back my money freeloader.

This dude has Luffy's quote of "I've always been free" as part of his signature while shamelessly denying Palestinians the right to freedom and a decent life. As Jon Stewart once said "This is hypocrisy at its highest degree"

 

[NikaInParis]

Hopefully won't be back around for a long while.

Come back when you learn what your government has been doing for decades
Should take you a year at least