Versus Battle Toji vs Jogo
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Toji is massively faster and stronger than him. Even if he somehow gets tagged, he’s highly resistant to Jogo’s attacks since pre-awakened Maki was stated to have survived Jogo’s attack because her Heavenly Restriction. Maximum Meteor is never landing on Toji if even Panda can dodge it despite Sukuna forcing him to wait til the last second. Domain Expansion is useless since it can’t recognize Toji
This is based on nothing, Toji's speed has been hyped up but the only character he's been compared to speed wise is 3 Finger Sukuna
That isn't enough to put him above Jogo who's speed was compared to the 2nd fastest sorcerer of the modern era
His speed doesn't make him an untouchable god either, Megumi with a well laid trap managed to tag him in Shibuya
Maki's weaker Heavenly Restriction is what allowed her to survive the attack. She was out of commission for the rest of the arc and was scarred permanently
Toji isn't just walking off an attack from Jogo
Reminder: One Mach attack from Cursed Naoya did so much damage to awakened Maki that she asked Kamo to give her 5 minutes to recover. Toji/Maki are tanky but they aren't that tanky
Doesn't need Meteor, he can summon volcanoes from any surface and attack him from multiple directions at once
Depending on the setting he can flood the area with lava to take away Toji's footing and barrage him with Ember Insects
If anything, Ember Insects will probably be what takes him out
He can summon large groups of them at a time and they attack through sound and they explode
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Circling back to the whole speed thing, his speed is incredibly overrated (still impressive just not as crazy as people make it seem)
Dagon, who's confirmed to be at least a tier below Jogo, was able to perceive his movements and set up counter attacks
Naobito with 2 arms was moving so fast in such a short amount of time that Dagon per his own words "couldn't even activate his techniques"
And while this is going on Dagon directly compares his speed to Jogo's and says he's "probably" faster
That isn't enough to put him above Jogo who's speed was compared to the 2nd fastest sorcerer of the modern era
His speed doesn't make him an untouchable god either, Megumi with a well laid trap managed to tag him in Shibuya
Toji isn't just walking off an attack from Jogo
Reminder: One Mach attack from Cursed Naoya did so much damage to awakened Maki that she asked Kamo to give her 5 minutes to recover. Toji/Maki are tanky but they aren't that tanky
Doesn't need Meteor, he can summon volcanoes from any surface and attack him from multiple directions at once
Depending on the setting he can flood the area with lava to take away Toji's footing and barrage him with Ember Insects
If anything, Ember Insects will probably be what takes him out
He can summon large groups of them at a time and they attack through sound and they explode
Circling back to the whole speed thing, his speed is incredibly overrated (still impressive just not as crazy as people make it seem)
Dagon, who's confirmed to be at least a tier below Jogo, was able to perceive his movements and set up counter attacks
Naobito with 2 arms was moving so fast in such a short amount of time that Dagon per his own words "couldn't even activate his techniques"
And while this is going on Dagon directly compares his speed to Jogo's and says he's "probably" faster
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Toji absolutely stomps Jogo - Sukuna callin “Jogo” strong was something he wasnt even aware of and it was more of an image coming from Jogo dying wish meanwhile a barely awakened Maki who was barely able to hang with Naoyo who was a cursed spirit for less than an hr was also nodded as strong by 15 finger Megkuna and even further cemented by Uraume focusing more on her to stop her whole Sukuna further stated that was the correct choice while Toji is still leaps and bounds stronger faster smarter and more well rounded than Maki is. If Toji would’ve stuck around on Shibuya he would’ve faired better than an unserious Sukuna toying with Jogo
With preparation, Toji would easily win and decapitate Jogo.
I believe Toji could be close to Gojo level. If he knew about purple beforehand, the fight will last far longer. I could see that he could make Gojo nervous and develop tension. And this Gojo could easily dog walk Jogo with no sign of seriousness and not even using purple.
Also, Toji's intelligence is perhaps only second to Sukuna. No one could detect him and he could easily speed blitz one shot to the head.
I believe Toji could be close to Gojo level. If he knew about purple beforehand, the fight will last far longer. I could see that he could make Gojo nervous and develop tension. And this Gojo could easily dog walk Jogo with no sign of seriousness and not even using purple.
Also, Toji's intelligence is perhaps only second to Sukuna. No one could detect him and he could easily speed blitz one shot to the head.
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Toji and Maki are equal
The only thing you could argue Toji has above her is experience, they're equal in every other way which is confirmed in the manga
15F Sukuna would one shot Toji in his sleep regardless of gear or prep
Awakened Teen Gojo effortlessly dodged a blitz attempt from Toji and countered with Red (which Toji couldn't dodge)
From that point on Toji failed to land a single hit on Gojo
He isn't touching Sukuna
Sukuna dodges Toji's attack and one shots him with Cleave or Dismantle since Toji doesn't have RCT
Fight over
The only reason Maki lasted so long against Sukuna is because his output was lowered due to Megumi's interference and she was assisted by Yuji
Uraume with Frost Calm left Maki incapacitated for long enough to have a conversation with Sukuna, make fun of Yuji, and then fly away
You're heavily overestimating Toji/Maki's capabilities
The only thing you could argue Toji has above her is experience, they're equal in every other way which is confirmed in the manga
15F Sukuna would one shot Toji in his sleep regardless of gear or prep
Awakened Teen Gojo effortlessly dodged a blitz attempt from Toji and countered with Red (which Toji couldn't dodge)
From that point on Toji failed to land a single hit on Gojo
He isn't touching Sukuna
Sukuna dodges Toji's attack and one shots him with Cleave or Dismantle since Toji doesn't have RCT
Fight over
The only reason Maki lasted so long against Sukuna is because his output was lowered due to Megumi's interference and she was assisted by Yuji
Uraume with Frost Calm left Maki incapacitated for long enough to have a conversation with Sukuna, make fun of Yuji, and then fly away
You're heavily overestimating Toji/Maki's capabilities
Honestly, Toji is so much faster it's not even funny.
Jogo wouldn't even be able to cast Curse Techniques, he'll be overwhelmed by pure speed.
Soul Splitter one-shots, a couple of clean hits from Playful Cloud does the job, ISOH makes a mockery out of Jogo.
Give any one Special Grade Cursed Tool to Toji and he low diffs.
Jogo wouldn't even be able to cast Curse Techniques, he'll be overwhelmed by pure speed.
Soul Splitter one-shots, a couple of clean hits from Playful Cloud does the job, ISOH makes a mockery out of Jogo.
Give any one Special Grade Cursed Tool to Toji and he low diffs.
Toji couldn't do this to someone far inferior to Jogo (Dagon)
What makes you think he'll be able to do it to him?
Toji isn't the Flash, he doesn't move so fast that no one can react to him
Dagon could (mostly) keep track of his movements and prepare counterattacks
You know who was too fast for Dagon to react to?
Naobito
Who moved so fast Dagon couldn't use his techniques at all
Guess who was directly compared to Naobito in speed?
Jogo
"He's probably faster than Jogo"
Naobito > Toji in speed
Naobito >= Jogo in speed
Naobito >= Jogo >= Toji in speed
I don't know where the whole "Toji speedblitzes and oneshots" thing comes from
It isn't supported by the manga
You know what is?
Jogo supremacy
Toji isn't the Flash, he doesn't move so fast that no one can react to him
Dagon could (mostly) keep track of his movements and prepare counterattacks
You know who was too fast for Dagon to react to?
Naobito
Who moved so fast Dagon couldn't use his techniques at all
Guess who was directly compared to Naobito in speed?
Jogo
"He's probably faster than Jogo"
Naobito > Toji in speed
Naobito >= Jogo in speed
Naobito >= Jogo >= Toji in speed
I don't know where the whole "Toji speedblitzes and oneshots" thing comes from
It isn't supported by the manga
You know what is?
Jogo supremacy
Toji and Maki are equal
The only thing you could argue Toji has above her is experience, they're equal in every other way which is confirmed in the manga
15F Sukuna would one shot Toji in his sleep regardless of gear or prep
Awakened Teen Gojo effortlessly dodged a blitz attempt from Toji and countered with Red (which Toji couldn't dodge)
From that point on Toji failed to land a single hit on Gojo
He isn't touching Sukuna
Sukuna dodges Toji's attack and one shots him with Cleave or Dismantle since Toji doesn't have RCT
Fight over
The only reason Maki lasted so long against Sukuna is because his output was lowered due to Megumi's interference and she was assisted by Yuji
Uraume with Frost Calm left Maki incapacitated for long enough to have a conversation with Sukuna, make fun of Yuji, and then fly away
You're heavily overestimating Toji/Maki's capabilities
The only thing you could argue Toji has above her is experience, they're equal in every other way which is confirmed in the manga
15F Sukuna would one shot Toji in his sleep regardless of gear or prep
Awakened Teen Gojo effortlessly dodged a blitz attempt from Toji and countered with Red (which Toji couldn't dodge)
From that point on Toji failed to land a single hit on Gojo
He isn't touching Sukuna
Sukuna dodges Toji's attack and one shots him with Cleave or Dismantle since Toji doesn't have RCT
Fight over
The only reason Maki lasted so long against Sukuna is because his output was lowered due to Megumi's interference and she was assisted by Yuji
Uraume with Frost Calm left Maki incapacitated for long enough to have a conversation with Sukuna, make fun of Yuji, and then fly away
You're heavily overestimating Toji/Maki's capabilities
Gojo stating Jogo was weak and was just being toyed with - evidently proven when Gojo decimated Hanami and was saved once again by an ally. Meanwhile Sukuna called him strong when at the very best he was comparable to 8 fingers… then him admitting how completely inferior he was to Sukuna overall.
Gojo completely trolling Sukuna then randomly stating he wasn’t sure if he could beat Sukuna even without 10s but then Sukuna admitting he couldn’t even bypass infinity without 10s…
plus many other contradictions we’ve seen…
I'll acknowledge that there are a couple contradictions in the manga but we have to work with what we have until proven otherwise
As far as we know Maki and Toji are equal
I think the experience gap sways things in Toji's favor but their stats should be the same, kits aside
If anything Maki will probably get more impressive feats in the upcoming Sukuna fight
As far as we know Maki and Toji are equal
I think the experience gap sways things in Toji's favor but their stats should be the same, kits aside
If anything Maki will probably get more impressive feats in the upcoming Sukuna fight
Naobito ~ Naoya in speed.
Maki shat on that before she even became Toji level.
Where she shat on CURSE Naoya who was casually hitting Mach 3 levels of speed whereas regular Naoya only barely surpassed Subsonic speeds.
The speed scaling goes Toji ~ current Maki > Curse Naoya > preCG Maki > Naobito/Naoya.
There are a minimum of 4 characters in between Toji & Jogo on the ladder, speed wise.
Maki shat on that before she even became Toji level.
Where she shat on CURSE Naoya who was casually hitting Mach 3 levels of speed whereas regular Naoya only barely surpassed Subsonic speeds.
The speed scaling goes Toji ~ current Maki > Curse Naoya > preCG Maki > Naobito/Naoya.
There are a minimum of 4 characters in between Toji & Jogo on the ladder, speed wise.
They are definitely equal in terms of strength. However, in JJK world, intelligence, tactics, and adaptability play a very vital role to the fight unlike One Piece. Toji is besically a mastermind who can prepare, adapt, and have tons of element of surprise. Maki is more like a hot-head type like Yuji with superior fitness.
In other word, I think Toji is equal to Maki body with Kenny brain. So, I don't see how Maki could keep up the fight and would have the same faith as Yuki.
In other word, I think Toji is equal to Maki body with Kenny brain. So, I don't see how Maki could keep up the fight and would have the same faith as Yuki.