Still remember the fake report about beheaded babies? When the journalist from 24 iNews said she saw it firsthand but later backtracked saying she was told by some IDF soldiers? This video aged incredibly well

It's heart wrenching to know that the Israel military is built upon lies and genocide, and still the first thing the westerns said is "Do you condemn Hamas?" Well no shit, Hamas was founded decades after the illegal occupation began.

This is what true zionism is, simply supporting for a jewish state to exist is not zionism. They are the one that invented the movement, and they did it by lies and genocide. If you're pro zionists, you're a fucking piece of shit low-life

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As soon as they get exposed, the video is now private
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Considering that the modern terrorist organisation IDF is a continuation of previous self proclaimed terrorist organisations such as Irgum and the Stern Gang it is no surprise the tactics they are prepared to use.

I'm glad this conflict brought the plight of the Palestinians to the forefront of the media. At least now nobody can plead ignorance on it anymore
 
My major point @Monkey D Theories was that in the modern day, people have been pushing to make the Christian Church more "inclusive" of all people, regardless of it's compatibility with the scripture. I was speaking as a Westerner who has seen local churches start plastering rainbow flags on their bulletins to appease individuals who have shown them nothing but hate for their own way of life.

I think progress will always happen, but it should never happen at the cost of your own values. Many people rally against Christianity for having a lot of bigots amongst their ranks, but ignore the fact that Islam, Judaism and even Sikhism and Hinduism have their own bigots.

The difference is, whilst people in the West claim that churches -must- allow gay marriage and other things that the bible disagrees with (and lobbies heavily for these changes), you don't see them demanding that Mosques allow it. The reason is because they think only Christianity WILL bend the knee.

I think people demonise Christianity too much but in the same breath say we must respect other cultures that have similar values. It's... bizarre, and unfortunately, weak and ineffectual Popes like the current one think that appeasing these people will be useful. It won't. It's like appeasing feminists regarding game design, all it has done is alienate some people from the medium from what I've seen.
 
More and more layers are being added/uncovered now in this Israel vs Palestine conflict other than just Hamas terrorists raiding a music festival and kidnapping/lopping people.

It's getting tougher to pick a proper side now here because the Israeli army performed retaliatory acts in respose to the initial incident and more...and then this happened last week?

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Also, this incident happened just yesterday.
 
More and more layers are being added/uncovered now in this Israel vs Palestine conflict other than just Hamas terrorists raiding a music festival and kidnapping/lopping people.

It's getting tougher to pick a proper side now here because the Israeli army performed retaliatory acts in respose to the initial incident and more...and then this happened last week?

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Also, this incident happened just yesterday.
It's war at this point. I have started to question if we can even call Hamas "terrorists" at this point. They're the governing body of Palestine. They're soldiers. And soldiers attacking another nation is war. This is just another war between two sides who believe themselves Righteous.
 
but ignore the fact that Islam, Judaism and even Sikhism and Hinduism have their own bigots.
Because adherents of those religions are minorities in the west, i.e. need to be protected because they are just as oppressed
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It's getting tougher to pick a proper side now
You dont need to pick a side
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It's war at this point. I have started to question if we can even call Hamas "terrorists" at this point. They're the governing body of Palestine. They're soldiers. And soldiers attacking another nation is war. This is just another war between two sides who believe themselves Righteous.
Thats not mutually exclusive with terrorism
 
I think progress will always happen, but it should never happen at the cost of your own values. Many people rally against Christianity for having a lot of bigots amongst their ranks, but ignore the fact that Islam, Judaism and even Sikhism and Hinduism have their own bigots.
That’s because western countries are majority Christian.

In America, there is a sizeable and highly vocal minority that is actively fighting to implement a Christian nationalist agenda.
 
Why not just answer?
Ill let the zionists leader themselves answer this

Read this a few years ago, went to check because i kinda forgot. Fortunately i found it:

"I don't understand your optimism.," Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations' time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it's simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out". A conversation between two leading zionists leader in his own book "The Jewish Paradox", pg 99
 
The concept of 'picking a side' feels like we're all spectators of a sport. We're not. We are not the crowd of a football match. We should not be screaming: "Woo, go Israel/Palestine." Instead of all this allegiance bullshit we should admonish both. Both believe themselves the hero of the story. One wants to rid all of Israel of Jews. One wants to rid all of Gaza of Muslims. This is what it boils down to. Picking a side is just choosing one genocide-seeker over another.

The only solution that doesn't cause the world to have to take on the burden is the two-state solution - which will not happen - because both believe they should have ultimate authority over the holy land.

So what do we do? We can't do shit but admonish both. At this point if peace CANNOT be attained, I almost wish for mutual destruction -- but that's cynicism creeping in.

Because adherents of those religions are minorities in the west, i.e. need to be protected because they are just as oppressed
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You dont need to pick a side
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Thats not mutually exclusive with terrorism
- Oppression politics is retarded.

- I don't think so either.

- It's not, but at the same time, it's war between soldiers at this point.
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That’s because western countries are majority Christian.

In America, there is a sizeable and highly vocal minority that is actively fighting to implement a Christian nationalist agenda.
Yeah, sure, but all it does is weaken the Christian values of these countries making it easier for other religions to establish a foothold.
 
No it doesn’t. Asking Christians to not be homophobic or transphobic doesn’t “weaken” Christianity.
Weakening the moral values of Christianity does weaken Christianity. It forces it to change. Jesus did not change when he helped misers and prostitutes. They changed. Not him.

Christianity is a value system as much as a religion. If your values can be bent to social pressure then it highlights an intrinsic weakness. Christianity, regardless of my opinions on the matter (which may surprise you), should not have to change to adapt to the modern world. It will become something it's not if it does so.
 
Ill let the zionists leader themselves answer this
So you wont answer, gotcha
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Oppression politics is retarded.
Sure, but that is the reason they dont do the same to other religions
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It's not, but at the same time, it's war between soldiers at this point.
Yes, but still terrorism
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making it easier for other religions to establish a foothold.
Uhm secularism anyway?
 
So you wont answer, gotcha
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Sure, but that is the reason they dont do the same to other religions
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Yes, but still terrorism
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Uhm secularism anyway?
I disagree. They don't do it to other religions because they fear them. Many politicians in the UK are terrified of Islam, especially after the murder of Sir David Amess. It's not to protect them, it's because they know unlike Christianity, those communities WILL fight back. For example, when LGBT issues were taught in Birmingham schools, Muslim parents pulled their kids out. The government did not fine them (as they do to other parents who pull their kids out of school) -- but they'd most certainly fine other demographics. Not just that, they repealed teaching those things in those specific schools. They fear the Muslim populace.

It's terrorism and war. I think they label them terrorists however because for some reason, our society has become terrified of even insinuating we'd fight others for our values.
 
Gonna make a prediction here in advance and mention that United States are going to be taking in refugees from Palestine (potentially from the Gaza strip) from the continuous attacks that they have been taking from the Israeli Defense Forces so far.

It's going to strain an already festering wound that stems from hostility towards undocumented "immigrants" that are being shipped into the US from other places. Surprisingly, there have been reports of these immigrants that are comprised of young and middle aged males with barely any women and kids (although women and kids do come in at times).

There's going to be a breaking point somewhere down the line where the locals are going to say "enough is enough" with these refugees and they're going to lobby for blocking any migrants into the border and/or deport any existing ones.
 
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