Controversial General Political Discussion

[Photon]

What land? Obviously

Palestine

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

. That's what the Jews also want. And they will war for it. So many groups across history has fought for cultural supremacy.

Nah that's not what they(= the IDF and not ALL Jews) are doing here. They're fighting for their control over an occupied territory.

The issue really lies in the fact that people believe the scripture should be up for dispute.

Why should it not be? Other religions and belief systems can evolve and write new scriptures, new interpretations of the old scriptures etc. Why should people at all times take a 2000+ year old words at face value? That's like copying your grandparents's behavior and applying it in each and any situation of your live.

Let's discount for a moment whether we believe OR don't believe in the holy word. The important thing is that some people do. They should not be forced to subvert their beliefs for the beliefs of others through legislation.

You mean the 'holy word' that was changed arbitrarily multiple times without the believers' consent? Then I'll tell you what I told the other guy: when you decide to put up with an autocratic religion where representatives that you have never met before and probably never will meet get to decide what is appropriate and what is not, this is what you get. I agree tha nobody should have other beliefs forced upon them.

So many groups across history has fought for cultural supremacy.

And that makes it ok? Sounds like an eye for an eye mindset tbh.

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Alright, allow me to offer a counter-point. How is 'marriage' a right? They had Civil Unions before this. Marriage is a holy act. It was a biblical practice. If those practices are now being forced to change for a group outside of the religion, then isn't that the morally bankrupt element we should be talking about? Homosexuality was not illegal. Transsexualism was not illegal. Unions between Homosexuals was allowed - just not marriage, which as I stated before, was a BIBLICAL practice. Where is the legislative control here? It's like me demanding I should be allowed to convert to Judaism without undergoing the stringent processes of converting simply because I want to. No questions asked. But why should anyone be allowed to join a club they don't align with? It's like me saying I deserve to be in a LGBT group and they all have to accept me because otherwise they're bigots who can't accept detransitioners who don't believe in the common trans narratives. Also, now they must change their rules to accommodate me. Why must Christians not only accept people into their groups but change to the incoming individuals values? They shouldn't.

Well I do kinda think that if one is not ok with the values of a group that they should leave and form their own. The problem is that, for the past 1000+ years, the Catholic church was seen an important religious authority and while people didn't consent to any of this, the long time of domination is hard to get over , it's hard to free oneself from an ancient oppressor. What is happening now is the Catholic church's greed coming back at them(the Church). They wanted to be the sole spiritual authority for all the people and now they have to appease and adapt to ALL the changes in the respective societies to even stay relevant.

 

[NAMELESS]

I disagree. They don't do it to other religions because they fear them. Many politicians in the UK are terrified of Islam, especially after the murder of Sir David Amess. It's not to protect them, it's because they know unlike Christianity, those communities WILL fight back. For example, when LGBT issues were taught in Birmingham schools, Muslim parents pulled their kids out. The government did not fine them (as they do to other parents who pull their kids out of school) -- but they'd most certainly fine other demographics. Not just that, they repealed teaching those things in those specific schools. They fear the Muslim populace.

It's terrorism and war. I think they label them terrorists however because for some reason, our society has become terrified of even insinuating we'd fight others for our values.

To tell you the truth,i don't think Muslims are wrong for fighting state sponsored brain washing.I think Christians have lost their balls.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

As show above this was not the original post but your attempt to save your hide by claiming that Catholics should follow the Pope as if his words were Sharia law.

Not what I said. And ''save your hide'' my ass. You can't read and misconstrue my statements because you're ignorant af. And there is no need to act like I'm a search engine for a guy who is too lazy –or unwilling– to learn basic things for himself.
Ofc the Catholic conservatory for girls is not going to teach you unbiased and inclusive history 🤡

 

[Zenos7]

Westerns will literally label any resistance fighters as terrorists whether or not they are actually terrorists. Colonial mindset

Generalization much.

There is a definition to terrorism btw

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Alright, allow me to offer a counter-point. How is 'marriage' a right? They had Civil Unions before this. Marriage is a holy act. It was a biblical practice. If those practices are now being forced to change for a group outside of the religion, then isn't that the morally bankrupt element we should be talking about?

Homosexuality was not illegal. Transsexualism was not illegal. Unions between Homosexuals was allowed - just not marriage, which as I stated before, was a BIBLICAL practice. Where is the legislative control here?

It's like me demanding I should be allowed to convert to Judaism without undergoing the stringent processes of converting simply because I want to. No questions asked.

But why should anyone be allowed to join a club they don't align with? It's like me saying I deserve to be in a LGBT group and they all have to accept me because otherwise they're bigots who can't accept detransitioners who don't believe in the common trans narratives. Also, now they must change their rules to accommodate me.

Why must Christians not only accept people into their groups but change to the incoming individuals values? They shouldn't.

Uhm marriage was a thing before christianity, so i dont see the need to have marriage nowadays be solely a christian holy institution lol

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

To tell you the truth,i don't think Muslims are wrong for fighting state sponsored brain washing.I think Christians have lost their balls.

How can somebody whose sole identity is based on their status as a proud victim of oppression have any balls in the first place?!

 

[Malakhith]

Not what I said.

This is what you said:

Be a good follower and accept their decision!

In reply to a post that you butchered and even ignored that it stated that changes not supported were removed. Then afeter it was explained that the Pope statements weren't like Sharia law you kept your ignorant statements and claims that we should follow blindly what he says. Again, covering your ass after being proved wrong.

And ''save your hide'' my ass.

Use the term you prefer. You were the one to lie and try to change the facts.

You can't read and misconstrue my statements because you're ignorant af.

I linked your own posts. You were the one that acted as if the church in medieval times was a democracy. You was the one that tried to act as if Catholics followed blind the words of the Pope. You were the one to lie and try to deny your own statements and try to gaslight by claiming that others did worse.

 

[NAMELESS]

My major point @Monkey D Theories was that in the modern day, people have been pushing to make the Christian Church more "inclusive" of all people, regardless of it's compatibility with the scripture. I was speaking as a Westerner who has seen local churches start plastering rainbow flags on their bulletins to appease individuals who have shown them nothing but hate for their own way of life.

I think progress will always happen, but it should never happen at the cost of your own values. Many people rally against Christianity for having a lot of bigots amongst their ranks, but ignore the fact that Islam, Judaism and even Sikhism and Hinduism have their own bigots.

The difference is, whilst people in the West claim that churches -must- allow gay marriage and other things that the bible disagrees with (and lobbies heavily for these changes), you don't see them demanding that Mosques allow it. The reason is because they think only Christianity WILL bend the knee.

I think people demonise Christianity too much but in the same breath say we must respect other cultures that have similar values. It's... bizarre, and unfortunately, weak and ineffectual Popes like the current one think that appeasing these people will be useful. It won't. It's like appeasing feminists regarding game design, all it has done is alienate some people from the medium from what I've seen.

Its social engineering.Its the old soviet tatic of destroying religion.I think people in the West need to rise up against this.Muslim are 100% right there.There is nothing wrong with doing what your scriptures tell you.

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This is what you said:

In reply to a post that you butchered and even ignored that it stated that changes not supported were removed. Then afeter it was explained that the Pope statements weren't like Sharia law you kept your ignorant statements and claims that we should follow blindly what he says. Again, covering your ass after being proved wrong.

Use the term you prefer. You were the one to lie and try to change the facts.

I linked your own posts. You were the one that acted as if the church in medieval times was a democracy. You was the one that tried to act as if Catholics followed blind the words of the Pope. You were the one to lie and try to deny your own statements and try to gaslight by claiming that others did worse.

My guy,some come users come here to instigate and not debate.Don't feed trolls.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

This is what you said:

In reply to a post that you butchered and even ignored that it stated that changes not supported were removed. Then afeter it was explained that the Pope statements weren't like Sharia law you kept your ignorant statements and claims that we should follow blindly what he says. Again, covering your ass after being proved wrong.

Use the term you prefer. You were the one to lie and try to change the facts.

I linked your own posts. You were the one that acted as if the church in medieval times was a democracy. You was the one that tried to act as if Catholics followed blind the words of the Pope. You were the one to lie and try to deny your own statements and try to gaslight by claiming that others did worse.

You're putting words in my mouth and fail to understand basic sarcasm, and I also have no obligation to respond to every single word you said. Cope.

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Its social engineering.Its the old soviet tatic of destroying religion.I think people in the West need to rise up against this.Muslim are 100% right there.There is nothing wrong with doing what your scriptures tell you.

Again this religion = Christianity nonsense.
Learn to accept that there are diverse ways to see and make sense of the world.

 

[NAMELESS]

You're putting words in my mouth and fail to understand basic sarcasm, and I also have no obligation to respond to every single word you said. Cope.

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Again this religion = Christianity nonsense.
Learn to accept that there are diverse ways to see and make sense of the world.

Stop twisting what people.I didn't say that.The militant atheism in the west has attacked ALL forms of religion.
The church is not a government institution.Gay marriage in the church in not a constitutional right.Let that for civil marriage.Christianity needs to be respected just like any religion,you can't force it to go against its own scriptures.

 

[Zenos7]

Palestine

And what should be done about it?

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Stop twisting what people.I didn't say that.The militant atheism in the west has attacked ALL forms of religion.

The topic was about trans people being accepted by the Pope and now you are talking about militant atheists.......make it make sense.

 

[Zenos7]

militant atheism

Wat?

Sounds more like antitheism

 

[NAMELESS]

No it doesn’t. Asking Christians to not be homophobic or transphobic doesn’t “weaken” Christianity.

You are so full of shit.Homosexuality is a sin according to our beliefs and we are all sinners.God hates sin,but loves the sinners themselves. Homosexuals are welcome just like anyone else,but they need to live a celibacy if they want to live according to the scriptures.

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Wat?

Sounds more like antitheism

The left is full of atheist that just want to attack religion whenever they can.

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How can somebody whose sole identity is based on their status as a proud victim of oppression have any balls in the first place?!

Back in the day,Christians used to be behead by the Romans for exercising their fate.But i don't think someone that is related to the people that just blindly followed some genocidal lunatic would get what bravery is or isn't.

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Generalization much.

There is a definition to terrorism btw

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Uhm marriage was a thing before christianity, so i dont see the need to have marriage nowadays be solely a christian holy institution lol

It isn't.They just want to attack Christians and make them go against their scriptures.Why aren't they doing the same to Muslims?

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The topic was about trans people being accepted by the Pope and now you are talking about militant atheists.......make it make sense.

gaslighting 101
you are a black belt at this

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This is what you said:

In reply to a post that you butchered and even ignored that it stated that changes not supported were removed. Then afeter it was explained that the Pope statements weren't like Sharia law you kept your ignorant statements and claims that we should follow blindly what he says. Again, covering your ass after being proved wrong.

Use the term you prefer. You were the one to lie and try to change the facts.

I linked your own posts. You were the one that acted as if the church in medieval times was a democracy. You was the one that tried to act as if Catholics followed blind the words of the Pope. You were the one to lie and try to deny your own statements and try to gaslight by claiming that others did worse.

Ignorant kid probably doesn't even know about the Sedevacantism movement.
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Sedevacantism

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

The left is full of atheist that just want to attack religion whenever they can.

And that's because for centuries, the only form of religion known to the West were centralized, highly hierarchical organisations that were more than willing to cruelly punish any dissent.

 

[NAMELESS]

And that's because for centuries, the only form of religion known to the West were centralized, highly hierarchical organisations that were more than willing to cruelly punish any dissent.

That was the case in much of the world,ignoramus. Laic state is an invention of the protestant reform.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Back in the day,Christians used to be behead by the Romans for exercising their fate.

That was when Christians were still a minority. Just a few centuries later it was Christian oppressors that forced their beliefs on anyone they could get a hold of by the very same means.

But i don't think someone that is related to the people that just blindly followed some genocidal lunatic would get what bravery is or isn't.

If you are referring to me being from Germany, I have to say I'm disappoined. You are generalising and stereotyping people based on their heritage and race. As a self-proclaimed supporter of race mixing who claims to be of mixed heritage himself, this statement is dishonest at best and plain stupid at worst.

Ignorant kid probably doesn't even know about the Sedevacantism movement.
https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Sedevacantism

mental gymnastics

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That was the case in much of the world,ignoramus.

No, ignoramus

Laic state is an invention of the protestant reform.

You really can't read, can you?
In your mind religion is still synonymous with oppressive state religion. Please expand your horizon.
You're giving Christians a bad name.

 

[NAMELESS]

That was when Christians were still a minority. Just a few centuries later it was Christian oppressors that forced their beliefs on anyone they could get a hold of by the very same means.

If you are referring to me being from Germany, I have to say I'm disappoined. You are generalising and stereotyping people based on their heritage and race. As a self-proclaimed supporter of race mixing who claims to be of mixed heritage himself, this statement is dishonest at best and plain stupid at worst.

mental gymnastics

If you think that comment was about race,you are as dumb as a brick.It was about ethics and morals.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

If you think that comment was a bout race,you are as dumb as a brick.it was about ethics and morals.

And you chose to ignore the first part of my post.

 

[Zenos7]

It isn't.They just want to attack Christians and make them go against their scriptures.Why aren't they doing the same to Muslims?

What does civil marriage have to do with churches/christianity?

Im not aware of anyone forcing churches to wed gay people.