Character Discussion Oda tries so hard to make the celestial dragons look evil. Its not good writing.

They are over-exeaggeratedly evil but that's just how OP has always been written tbh

We have some saint-like impossibly altruistic peole like Kuma, Rosinante or Otohime to contrast with the absolute worst evil that one could imagine from humans.

And honesty it's not hard to imagine any regular human ending up like the CD's if they were given that amount of power, lack of consequences and being raised to believe they are literal gods.
Heck even the people believe this like people bowing down to Carlos and his servant obeying him when he told him he wants a new wife
 
It’s weird that people claim Doffy is the best villain in op despite him being one of the most over the top evil villains in the manga, but the celestial dragons are being insulted for being the same?
 
It’s weird that people claim Doffy is the best villain in op despite him being one of the most over the top evil villains in the manga, but the celestial dragons are being insulted for being the same?
Bro is responsible for deaths of two family members
If that's not Hardcore I don't know
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
Sooooo... Don't draw the evil people being evil?
That's not the point at all what OP is trying to say

Not one fan of OP on the planet thinks CD's aren't evil. We know they are evil, we know all the heinous shit they do and they deserve to be killed for it.

OP is arguing that Oda going out of his way to further and further beat a dead horse by using really dark dark subjects isn't needed at all. It feels like a cheap shock value on the cost of something hideous and disgusting.

This isn't the case of drawing vilains to be evil, this is the case of going overboard with it in distasteful manner
 
That's not the point at all what OP is trying to say

Not one fan of OP on the planet thinks CD's aren't evil. We know they are evil, we know all the heinous shit they do and they deserve to be killed for it.

OP is arguing that Oda going out of his way to further and further beat a dead horse by using really dark dark subjects isn't needed at all. It feels like a cheap shock value on the cost of something hideous and disgusting.

This isn't the case of drawing vilains to be evil, this is the case of going overboard with it in distasteful manner
You probably have no idea how Zeff ate his own leg in the manga either

You are too late about the dark subjects being drawn
 
One Piece is a manga about symbolism of freedom right? The series has many degrees of good and evil in it. The CD are just epitome.

And yeah there are people on this earth who have done insane shit, for no particular reason. Worse than the CD.

Look at people who kill for the sake of it on the spot. The CD do it for their entertainment or god complex. I think people who kill just out of simply hate is even worse than an epitome of scummy privilege.
 
That's not the point at all what OP is trying to say

Not one fan of OP on the planet thinks CD's aren't evil. We know they are evil, we know all the heinous shit they do and they deserve to be killed for it.

OP is arguing that Oda going out of his way to further and further beat a dead horse by using really dark dark subjects isn't needed at all. It feels like a cheap shock value on the cost of something hideous and disgusting.

This isn't the case of drawing vilains to be evil, this is the case of going overboard with it in distasteful manner
Wait... You guys seriously think this is "dark dark" matetial?

This stuff doesn't even register on my radar whenever it is brought up. There is series out there that make what Oda is doing, look like Disney flicks levels of "dark material."
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
Wait... You guys seriously think this is "dark dark" matetial?

This stuff doesn't even register on my radar whenever it is brought up. There is series out there that make what Oda is doing, look like Disney flicks levels of "dark material."
That's great for you, I personally have ceiling high as well but I can still sympathize with ground level stuff.

But regardless, this is question of just pushing violence and depravity more and more when there is no need to.
 
That's great for you, I personally have ceiling high as well but I can still sympathize with ground level stuff.

But regardless, this is question of just pushing violence and depravity more and more when there is no need to.
The thing is.. its needed in One Piece as it is a story about oppressions and an exagerated and romanticized one
 
That's great for you, I personally have ceiling high as well but I can still sympathize with ground level stuff.

But regardless, this is question of just pushing violence and depravity more and more when there is no need to.
Everyone has different preferences and standards, so this is not an objective matter, which is what the thread is projecting.

Too much of something, is a Universal opinion. If its not someone's cup of tea, that's fine, but this is far from overboard.

They are evil, and Oda chooses to portray them in that manner when they are the focus. There is nothing wrong with that. There are some Celestial Dragons, which are showcased as that little glimmer of light, but for the most part, the rest of them have become so corrupted with power over the years, that this is the only way they know how to act. To portray them any other way when they are on screen is a blatant contradiction, and detracts from the characterization established.

There is no middle ground here. They are either all in with evil, or all out. The minor exceptions are just that. Minor.

Oda cant depict these guys as being holier than though, high and mighty, we can do whatever we want attitudes, with the rest of the World being bugs beneath thier feet, and yet draw them doing normal everyday things. That just doesn't work.
 
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In real life, when 1 group wants to genocide another group, they usually back it up with real MORAL claims, such as indigenous rights or self-defense, however the Celestial Dragons could never make real moral claims because they're just assholes hence they come off as Saturday morning cartoon villains.

Um you think we are Cartoon villains?

Well, the divine right of Kings clause comes into effect good sir.
The lower realms of humans are not even specimen to us. Killing them is inconsequential. They are ugly, smelly, dumb and deserve being hunted.
Please remember, do not compare lower barely sentient people with us Celestials, the rightful heirs of ruling this world.
 
I dont think he is trying too hard at all. Seems to me like he is depicting human nature when there is freedom to do as you please without needing to face any consequences at all.
 
In real life, when 1 group wants to genocide another group, they usually back it up with real MORAL claims, such as indigenous rights or self-defense, however the Celestial Dragons could never make real moral claims because they're just assholes hence they come off as Saturday morning cartoon villains.
Lol, you are naive. Go look up Helots. And read more history books.
 
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