Character Discussion Oda tries so hard to make the celestial dragons look evil. Its not good writing.

[Dragon777]

There is nothing comical about the CD. And nothing pushed beside the fact That they are not hidding in plain sight. But What they do is nothing caricatural. You Guy are forgetting That we are witnessing multiple genocide right now done by people Who are dehumanizing the victims and saying That they are the most moral of all. You forgot millenias of slaveries. And you ignore That cases like ginny s happen frequently in oppression states. Thats naivity

It is precisely there we remember them all too well that we said what we have said, but you don't have to go beyond the first post to know why.

Obviously, you are more than entitled to not feel that way.

 

[Logiko]

It is precisely there we remember them all too well that we said what we have said, but you don't have to go beyond the first post to know why.

Obviously, you are more than entitled to not feel that way.

Then there is no problem. CD are just what fascist would become if they had a god complex

 

[.Charm.]

Even Orochi was given a backstory lol. He's horrible but the land of Wano persecuted him and his family for something ONE guy did.

The CDs are just evil....for the sake of being evil!


And they are super evil!

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Even Orochi was given a backstory lol. He's horrible but the land of Wano persecuted him and his family for something ONE guy did.

The CDs are just evil....for the sake of being evil!


And they are super evil!

That’s the fucking point?? That these people after 800 years on top have begun to fully believe themselves to be gods and can do anything they want to anyone cause no one can do anything to them.

The CDs do evil acts, because they’re literally the peak of the food chain. They treat humans like livestock that they use however they need and honestly I wouldn’t be shocked if the famine in Mariejoa leads to them straight up eating their slaves.

They don’t need a reason to be evil, because they are the apex predators and human are just the prey.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

We still have a large amount of Celestial Dragon lover Ladmiral fans such as @Elder Lee Hung @The Buddha @SakazOuki Oda is doing a bad job since Celestial Dragons are still popular for them.

Yet Admiral fans are the ones explaining that the Celestial Dragons are weak while Yonko fans, Gold Dodger fans, and Monkey D. Tard fans defend these people, lol

 

[Erkan12]

Yet Admiral fans are the ones explaining that the Celestial Dragons are weak while Yonko fans, Gold Dodger fans, and Monkey D. Tard fans defend these people, lol

If they are weak its even worse for you, even Mihawk beats up Buggy behind doors while pretending to be his underling, Lizaru openly apologizing from a weaker person after getting KOed would be worse.

 

[Steven]

Its just turbo cringe

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Lizaru openly apologizing from a weaker person after getting KOed would he worse.

Why lol? Apologizing to an strength-inferior doesn’t mean anything. Saturn is Kizaru’s boss’s boss’s boss lol.

Teach apologized to Kuzan while pissing and shitting himself but you still delude yourself into believing Teach > Kuzan, lol

 

[TheSufferingGob]

In real life, when 1 group wants to genocide another group, they usually back it up with real MORAL claims, such as indigenous rights or self-defense, however the Celestial Dragons could never make real moral claims because they're just assholes hence they come off as Saturday morning cartoon villains.

Pls tell me the real moral claims that we're present in the Holocaust and what was done to native Americans.

 

[Erkan12]

Why lol? Apologizing to an strength-inferior doesn’t mean anything. Saturn is Kizaru’s boss’s boss’s boss lol.

Teach apologized to Kuzan while pissing and shitting himself but you still delude yourself into believing Teach > Kuzan, lol

Apologizing for his crew's intent to trying to kill him when Teach was about to recruit him as underling lmao. 2 completely different things.

Lizaru apologized for his own weakness to Saturn. If Lizaru apologized after 1 of his men tried to kill Saturn then you could compare but if that happened all of Lizaru's men alongside with him would executed by them. Borsalino himself admitted he is a corporate slave.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Lizaru apologized for his own weakness to Saturn

No, Kizaru apologized for failing to kill Vegapunk lol. Media illiteracy is such a huge problem for you. Have you ever done comprehension testing?

 

[Erkan12]

No, Kizaru apologized for failing to kill Vegapunk lol. Media illiteracy is such a huge problem for you. Have you ever done comprehension testing?

And why he failed? Because he was weak.

You trying too hard to look stupid.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

In real life, when 1 group wants to genocide another group, they usually back it up with real MORAL claims, such as indigenous rights or self-defense, however the Celestial Dragons could never make real moral claims because they're just assholes hence they come off as Saturday morning cartoon villains.

Gods don’t need to worry themselves with the morality of those beneath them.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

And why he failed? Because he was weak.

You trying too hard to look stupid.

He failed because a Yonko was going all out trying to fight him while also restraining his power so as to not destroy Egghead lol. No Yonko would’ve stood a remote chance there, hell Kaido couldn’t even kill Kinemon when there wasn’t even one distraction lol.

 

[TheSufferingGob]

Ngl I've lost faith in humanity after this thread

 

[OneHater]

Pls tell me the real moral claims that we're present in the Holocaust and what was done to native Americans.

Despite being attacked and scalped by Native Americans, the White colonizers still couldn't genocide all the Native Americans and the fell back to putting them on reservations. The Israel-Palestine is another example. Israelis are being attacked by Palestinians but they still can't justify genociding everyone so they keep them locked up in Gaza (basically a reservation). It's very difficult to actually get other humans to consent to genocide, even if it's in their logical interest, and in the example of the Holocaust, the Nazis lied, and didn't tell their population what they were doing. So the actions of the Celestial Dragons aren't representative of real life. Their actions are abstractions of these real world issues to the point of being Saturday morning cartoon villiany.

 

[Durableguy]

Leave it to Lee to make a topic that has nothing to do with power debate into one.

Ngl I've lost faith in humanity after this thread

Nobody is saying the celestial dragons aren't evil. People are pointing out the repetitive nature of showing they are.

 

[Logiko]

Despite being attacked and scalped by Native Americans, the White colonizers still couldn't genocide all the Native Americans and the fell back to putting them on reservations. The Israel-Palestine is another example. Israelis are being attacked by Palestinians but they still can't justify genociding everyone so they keep them locked up in Gaza (basically a reservation). It's very difficult to actually get other humans to consent to genocide, even if it's in their logical interest, and in the example of the Holocaust, the Nazis lied, and didn't tell their population what they were doing. So the actions of the Celestial Dragons aren't representative of real life. Their actions are abstractions of these real world issues to the point of being Saturday morning cartoon villiany.

You are naïve at Best if you think you can't make People accept genocide

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Despite being attacked and scalped by Native Americans, the White colonizers still couldn't genocide all the Native Americans and the fell back to putting them on reservations. The Israel-Palestine is another example. Israelis are being attacked by Palestinians but they still can't justify genociding everyone so they keep them locked up in Gaza (basically a reservation). It's very difficult to actually get other humans to consent to genocide, even if it's in their logical interest, and in the example of the Holocaust, the Nazis lied, and didn't tell their population what they were doing. So the actions of the Celestial Dragons aren't representative of real life. Their actions are abstractions of these real world issues to the point of being Saturday morning cartoon villiany.

… approximate 90 percent of the American people agreed in the use of an Atomic Bomb on two major civilian cities. If you don’t think people can be convinced that genocide is okay you really need to look back on history and see how horrible people can be when they’re convinced they’re above others.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Leave it to Lee to make a topic that has nothing to do with power debate into one.


Nobody is saying the celestial dragons aren't evil. People are pointing out the repetitive nature of showing they are.

Repetitive.. how?
We have been shown them in two lights, ruthlessly snobby elitist nazi and in a few cases aware of their humanity and fighting for equality (the guy at the reverie and fishman).
They barely show up in the manga.