Speculations I have a little theory

[pertio]

In the last chapter we see that Bonny finds the age-age fruit out of nowhere in the church. Maybe she manifested the fruit because she wanted to age herself to travel with Kuma. I wonder what you all think about it https://xender.vip/ ?

 

[Peroroncino]

I doubt it.
Oda just didnt want to give the fruit a design

 

[nik87]

If she manifested the ability instead of fruit, as Zoro does with Asura, she would be able to swim like Zoro does.
That means she found the fruit instead of evolving like Zoro.

 

[Desert Waifu]

You mean because of Vegapunk's theory on the origin of devil fruits? However, the age fruit must have already existed, otherwise this grandpa wouldn't have found it in the book.

 

[NAMELESS]

The user of that fruit died and that fruit's spirit was reincarnated in a fruit near Bonney thnx to her desire.

 

[Rambles]

We know that DFs have a will of their own and maybe it wanted to be found by Bonney.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

If that dude (from her crew) is looking at what I think is a DF encyclopedia, then the DF must have been documented. Thus, it already existed before Bonney manifested it.

Bonney also "desiring" about age recently. Logically, she desired to be healthy / going outside more often than the age stuff.
So the age DF manifest is possible, but unlikely.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

In the last chapter we see that Bonny finds the age-age fruit out of nowhere in the church. Maybe she manifested the fruit because she wanted to age herself to travel with Kuma. I wonder what you all think about it?

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

If she manifested the ability instead of fruit, as Zoro does with Asura, she would be able to swim like Zoro does.
That means she found the fruit instead of evolving like Zoro.

All Devil Fruits come from the manifestation of desires, and nobody can swim.

Zoro is either incomplete, or its something different i.e a byproduct of the curse of his Kitetsu Sword.
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In the last chapter we see that Bonny finds the age-age fruit out of nowhere in the church. Maybe she manifested the fruit because she wanted to age herself to travel with Kuma. I wonder what you all think about it?

I'll do you one better. She wanted to age herself, because she thought that when she turns 10, she'll be cured of her disease.

 

[nik87]

All Devil Fruits come from the manifestation of desires, and nobody can swim.

Zoro is either incomplete, or its something different i.e a byproduct of the curse of his Kitetsu Sword.

Everyone who wished the manifestation of desires into reality could swim.
The issue is we are centuries past that point and all those first timers are long dead and their evolution has turned into a DF.
A DF that others can eat but others have dreamt those up before them and that's why those who took shortcuts cant swim.

Zoro is exactly the same, you are simply seeing it happen for the first time ever. Just like most people doubted that Zoro used both CoA and CoO all the way back in Alabasta, people now doubt Zoro manifesting desire into reality because Oda didnt specifically name it for Asura... Kitetsu or other swords have nothing to do with Demon God, Sun God, Earth god, Rain God, Forest God...

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Everyone who wished the manifestation of desires into reality could swim.
The issue is we are centuries past that point and all those first timers are long dead and their evolution has turned into a DF.
A DF that others can eat but others have dreamt those up before them and that's why those who took shortcuts cant swim.

Zoro is exactly the same, you are simply seeing it happen for the first time ever. Just like most people doubted that Zoro used both CoA and CoO all the way back in Alabasta, people now doubt Zoro manifesting desire into reality because Oda didnt specifically name it for Asura... Kitetsu or other swords have nothing to do with Demon God, Sun God, Earth god, Rain God, Forest God...

No, Vegapunk says that the powers brought up through human desire is unnatural, and therefore loathed by the Sea, The Mother of Nature.

It's not eating the Devil Fruits that cause people to be unable to swim, it's the power themselves. Whether it being the person who manifested it, or the person who ate the Devil Fruit hundreds of years later, they can't swim, because the abilities are rejected by Mother Nature.

 

[nik87]

No, Vegapunk says that the powers brought up through human desire is unnatural, and therefore loathed by the Sea, The Mother of Nature.

It's not eating the Devil Fruits that cause people to be unable to swim, it's the power themselves. Whether it being the person who manifested it, or the person who ate the Devil Fruit hundreds of years later, they can't swim, because the abilities are rejected by Mother Nature.

Vegapunk says that's his theory.
However, he himself has never seen a first-time manifestation.
You will realize soon enough that what I am saying is true.

Demon God is no different than other 4 gods mentioned.
The only difference is that the other 4 manifested a long time ago while Demon god was never dreamt up into reality before Zoro did it.
I will bet on all first-timers not being penalized, only those who eat someone else's desires are.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Vegapunk says that's his theory.
However, he himself has never seen a first-time manifestation.
You will realize soon enough that what I am saying is true.

Demon God is no different than other 4 gods mentioned.
The only difference is that the other 4 manifested a long time ago while Demon god was never dreamt up into reality before Zoro did it.
I will bet on all first-timers not being penalized, only those who eat someone else's desires are.

Even if that does turn out to be the case. Zoro's Asura is still incomplete. He can't use it freely like Devil Fruit users can use their abilities. It could just turn out that once Zoro fully unlocks Asura, he won't be able to swim anymore.

 

[nik87]

Even if that does turn out to be the case. Zoro's Asura is still incomplete. He can't use it freely like Devil Fruit users can use their abilities. It could just turn out that once Zoro fully unlocks Asura, he won't be able to swim anymore.

I see it more like it isnt necessary for him to use it all the time, we know how powerful it is and there are no people around for him to need it. Only when he truly hits his limits and everything else doesnt work, he relies on Asura and that is rarely the case.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

I see it more like it isnt necessary for him to use it all the time, we know how powerful it is and there are no people around for him to need it. Only when he truly hits his limits and everything else doesnt work, he relies on Asura and that is rarely the case.

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense because in his fight against King he already knew he was way past his limit, and that he could die at any moment with King of Hell activated, yet he didn't bring out Asura.

 

[nik87]

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense because in his fight against King he already knew he was way past his limit, and that he could die at any moment with King of Hell activated, yet he didn't bring out Asura.

He knew Asura wouldnt work against King who took 0 damage no matter what he tried.