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For the bit about Houken calling him a fraud, that has to do with Gekishin's lack of Weight and Hara wanting to give Houken some character growth.
From what I recall, Riboku lured Houken onto the battlefield with the promise of another powerful General in Gekishin. Gekishin's military record on paper would put him on par with the Qin 6 and Great Heavens. With Houken not comprehending Ouki's words fully, he goes to the battlefield once more expecting another great duel to test his martial might and perhaps come closer to understanding what it is about being a Great General that made the likes of Ouki strong enough to best him in a duel.
He finds Gekishin and finds him completely lacking what Ouki had (i.e. Weight). Despite all his accomplishments on the battlefield as a Great General, Gekishin immediately crumples under Houken's might. Without Weight, without that thing which intrigues and frustrates the Bushin so, Gekishin is indeed a fraud in Houken's eyes and while he perhaps isn't closer to understanding what the Weight of a General is, Houken does now know what it isn't. It isn't something that is acquired just by being a General or even by being a General with a long and successful battlefield career. There is something more to it that Houken has yet to find out, that something being emotional attachment which Houken rejects.
As for the rest of that post, Geki got Kochou'd. Lmao.
From what I recall, Riboku lured Houken onto the battlefield with the promise of another powerful General in Gekishin. Gekishin's military record on paper would put him on par with the Qin 6 and Great Heavens. With Houken not comprehending Ouki's words fully, he goes to the battlefield once more expecting another great duel to test his martial might and perhaps come closer to understanding what it is about being a Great General that made the likes of Ouki strong enough to best him in a duel.
He finds Gekishin and finds him completely lacking what Ouki had (i.e. Weight). Despite all his accomplishments on the battlefield as a Great General, Gekishin immediately crumples under Houken's might. Without Weight, without that thing which intrigues and frustrates the Bushin so, Gekishin is indeed a fraud in Houken's eyes and while he perhaps isn't closer to understanding what the Weight of a General is, Houken does now know what it isn't. It isn't something that is acquired just by being a General or even by being a General with a long and successful battlefield career. There is something more to it that Houken has yet to find out, that something being emotional attachment which Houken rejects.
As for the rest of that post, Geki got Kochou'd. Lmao.
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Nah, Gaimou and Houken aren't that similar. Gaimou may possess an absolutely cynical view of warfare but he still has emotional attachments as shown by his concern for his strategist (and his harem of beautiful babes 
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Houken by comparison actively rejects emotional attachments altogether (the Bushin 100% died a virgin 😭).
).Houken by comparison actively rejects emotional attachments altogether (the Bushin 100% died a virgin 😭).
I agree. I’m sure Gekishin can probably strategically and tactically keep up with or outplay Renpa but martially Renpa washes him. And that said, I think Renpa with his subordinates goes either way with Rinshoujou with his subs as they were said to be equals as commanders.
So by that logic if Renpa basically high diffs Gekishin, but Renpa and Rinshoujou are equals, then there would surely seem to be a gap in ability between Gekishin and your average Great Heaven.
And with that said I’m just not sure it’s fair to rank him at 3GH level in the way we discuss it on WorstGen. Like I said pages ago, if characters like Karin or Gekishin came to Zhao then I’m sure they would be 3GH contenders, but here on WorstGen when we discuss the existing Great Heavens…like I said, at least 4 of them seem to clearly be above Gekishin in ability. The only Great Heaven candidate who’s abilities are a mystery is Shibashou, but Hara has been screaming Shibashou hype in our faces for five years now and so it certainly seems to be the case that Shibashou is probably closer to Renpa and Rinshoujou in ability then he is to Gekishin. At least imo.
Yeah, mother of all typos there lmfao. Ofc I meant to say I don’t see any 3GH losing to him.
I’m fine to put Gekishin on like, Ordo or Kochou level I guess. But then again Kochou was never said to be 3GH level so who knows.
So by that logic if Renpa basically high diffs Gekishin, but Renpa and Rinshoujou are equals, then there would surely seem to be a gap in ability between Gekishin and your average Great Heaven.
And with that said I’m just not sure it’s fair to rank him at 3GH level in the way we discuss it on WorstGen. Like I said pages ago, if characters like Karin or Gekishin came to Zhao then I’m sure they would be 3GH contenders, but here on WorstGen when we discuss the existing Great Heavens…like I said, at least 4 of them seem to clearly be above Gekishin in ability. The only Great Heaven candidate who’s abilities are a mystery is Shibashou, but Hara has been screaming Shibashou hype in our faces for five years now and so it certainly seems to be the case that Shibashou is probably closer to Renpa and Rinshoujou in ability then he is to Gekishin. At least imo.
Yeah, mother of all typos there lmfao. Ofc I meant to say I don’t see any 3GH losing to him.
I’m fine to put Gekishin on like, Ordo or Kochou level I guess. But then again Kochou was never said to be 3GH level so who knows.
That hot take is the closest thing to a win Gekishin is ever going to get.
For real though, I am mostly just giving Gekishin some major benefit of the doubt on tactical ability. At worst I think he would get high diffed by Renpa but there just aren't many Geki feats to back him up. Renpa probably mid diffs him in a duel though.
In hindsight, I did read that post wrong but I got a joke out of it so it all works out.
Anyway, Gaimou and Gekishin aren't that similar for much the same reason, that reason being emotional attachment. Gaimou cares for his subordinates, Gekishin happily cuts down his own subordinates if they disappoint him. Gaimou is still loyal to his nation despite losing a decade of his life in imprisonment there, Gekishin fights for whatever kingdom pays him the most money.
For real though, I am mostly just giving Gekishin some major benefit of the doubt on tactical ability. At worst I think he would get high diffed by Renpa but there just aren't many Geki feats to back him up. Renpa probably mid diffs him in a duel though.
In hindsight, I did read that post wrong but I got a joke out of it so it all works out.
Anyway, Gaimou and Gekishin aren't that similar for much the same reason, that reason being emotional attachment. Gaimou cares for his subordinates, Gekishin happily cuts down his own subordinates if they disappoint him. Gaimou is still loyal to his nation despite losing a decade of his life in imprisonment there, Gekishin fights for whatever kingdom pays him the most money.
Man what kinda excuse is this lol
Qin knew Tou Jou wasn't gonna mobilize the Kantan army. If they thought otherwise then Ousen would've simply marched home.
Riboku was fooled by Ousen as simple as that, the plan he came up with to take down Gyou is smth Riboku never even heard of
On the plains, Riboku had a 32K advantage in numbers, 32K is bigger than the size of Ousen's left and right armies lol
Even then Riboku had to use a suicidal tactic that depended on Makou not wielding his glaive, lmao
Gyou's campaign cannot be accomplished by any general in the manga other than Ousen
Killing Duke Hyou and Gekishin while you're accompanied by Houken, especially when no one knew he was there, is not that impressive
Killing Ouki showed how smart Riboku is, but its not like he beat him in an open battlefield. And again without Houken, another GH3, he wouldn't have succeeded even with the surprise element
Serious question, can Riboku even fill in Ousen's shoes in the coalition battle..
Soundly beating Ordo in a mountainous terrain with a 50k disadvantage, all while protecting Kankou pass from Karin
I heavily doubt it
Qin knew Tou Jou wasn't gonna mobilize the Kantan army. If they thought otherwise then Ousen would've simply marched home.
Riboku was fooled by Ousen as simple as that, the plan he came up with to take down Gyou is smth Riboku never even heard of
On the plains, Riboku had a 32K advantage in numbers, 32K is bigger than the size of Ousen's left and right armies lol
Even then Riboku had to use a suicidal tactic that depended on Makou not wielding his glaive, lmao
Gyou's campaign cannot be accomplished by any general in the manga other than Ousen
Killing Duke Hyou and Gekishin while you're accompanied by Houken, especially when no one knew he was there, is not that impressive
Killing Ouki showed how smart Riboku is, but its not like he beat him in an open battlefield. And again without Houken, another GH3, he wouldn't have succeeded even with the surprise element
Serious question, can Riboku even fill in Ousen's shoes in the coalition battle..
Soundly beating Ordo in a mountainous terrain with a 50k disadvantage, all while protecting Kankou pass from Karin
I heavily doubt it
I think ultimately Gekishin is a very talented and experienced general deserving of his Gg status but maybe too arrogant
The combo of Riboku + Hoeken just slayed the most famous general in china a few weeks ago but the minute he figured out the location of the HQ he rushed in not thinking there might be some preparation and traps set up and considered it his victory
He also overestimates his martial ability too much
I can see Renpa, Ousen, Kanki etc.. setting up a trap and Gekishin goes in anyway with a stupid grin thinking he'll just slay them anyway just to get cut in half
The combo of Riboku + Hoeken just slayed the most famous general in china a few weeks ago but the minute he figured out the location of the HQ he rushed in not thinking there might be some preparation and traps set up and considered it his victory
He also overestimates his martial ability too much
I can see Renpa, Ousen, Kanki etc.. setting up a trap and Gekishin goes in anyway with a stupid grin thinking he'll just slay them anyway just to get cut in half