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[Elder Lee Hung]

I can agree with that

Though remember Gekishin was probably in his 70s at the time of the duel while Oukotsu was in his prime

And I found the way he saw through Riboku's headquarters impressive on my first read, though I don't fully remember the details of the battle

He determined that Riboku’s headquarters was hidden to the Zhao right based on how much faster the Zhao right was reacting to his tactics than their left was

Which was impressive I guess. Kanki’s X formation did something similar. I just feel like we’ve seen much, much more impressive tactics. Like I said, Gekishin has a lower stat total than Kochou, and stats don’t mean shit when we have feats but Gekishin has no feats. I’m fine to accept Gakuki’s stats when Gakuki has no feats, and Gakuki has great stats. Gekishin has both shit stats and shit feats. lol

 

[SakazOuki]

Gekishin was 3GG/Qin6 level, not the strongest but he’s there
Its just what happens when a general with average matrial skill (for a GG) gets countered with Houken pokemon

 

[MarineHQ]

I can agree with that

Though remember Gekishin was probably in his 70s at the time of the duel while Oukotsu was in his prime

And I found the way he saw through Riboku's headquarters impressive on my first read, though I don't fully remember the details of the battle

Question is, was Gekishin smart for realising that RBK was next to him or was he extremely stupid for taking so long ?

 

[Shanks]

Question is, was Gekishin smart for realising that RBK was next to him or was he extremely stupid for taking so long ?

Didn't took too much time coz that war didn't even last for longer than half a day itself. His speed and counter was beyond Riboku's calculations otherwise Riboku's HQ won't be unprepared for his assault. He died only due to his overconfidence.

 

[God Buggy]

There's hardly any recovery for Oukotsu from that.

Oukotsu lol. The most physically imposing member of the old Qin Six with the greatest brute strenght, getting one shot like that. Retreated with his tail between his legs. Now I agree with others saying that Oukotsu underestimated Kanmei and if they had dueled again this would have been an extreme diff. But yeah the portrayal Hara gave to folks like Ouki/Kyou/Hakuki/Koshou or the Great Heavens is completely incomparable to that.

And I really don't think we're gonna get anything else from Oukotsu. Perhaps he (or at least his army) could be given the benefit of the doubt, they might have had some good tactical abilities and against Kanmei, Oukotsu might just have been overconfident and have decided to end it quickly, searching for the 1v1 duel, which Kanmei glady accepted.

Otherwise...lol.

 

[Shanks]

@Elder Lee Hung pls get your facts checked bro. Koshou definitely lost at the hands of ChouSha but didn't dies there, lol.

Also about Riboku's defeat has already got too much excuses from your side when he has lost fairly while having more advantages than Qin's side so how long you are going to complain about that. Even Riboku Futei and others admitted there loss at Ousen's hand.

As for historians on HakuKi > Riboku, when greatest of all time china were discussed, than it's HakuKi who is remembered first while in many lists (actually all lists) Riboku couldn't even got his name there. Lol

Well manga definitely says Riboku is the strongest general but sorry that strongest general couldn't even win while having humongous advantages (coalition) and also same man can't even successfully secure his homeland while having advantages (south-western region). Ousen while having disadvantages not only won the battle but was able to remove one of 3GH.

Riboku > than average GH !? Sadly Riboku already admitted his inferiority to Renpa and than we have RSJ who got narrated as Renpa’s equal. So don't know if you were comparing Riboku with average GH like Houken or with whom !!!

 

[God Buggy]

The respect Shin is getting from Riboku is deserved. The man has proven to be a disruptive factor against Riboku more than once. His warfare, with his insticts growing all the time, makes him the subordinate commander against whom Riboku must be most careful. Last war he even said he felt like he was fighting against Duke Hyou. That aside his unit is also very strong now.

In absolute terms both Mouten and Ouhon really aren't below Shin as commanders, they play in the same ball park. But if you look it from Riboku's perspective it makes sense for a "logic" tactician like him to gives this much value to Shin specifically.

 

[Rumble]

nah in history he isn't the strongest.

the mvp of china is hakuki then ousen

Ri Boku had far less to work with. His achievements as recorded in history are absurd and quite easily more impressive than Ou Sen’s.

Haku Ki has an argument. Ren Pa has an argument if you can forgive his losses. Ri Boku is the logical front runner in considerations, considering the constraints he worked under.

 

[ray_san90]

Only 4 General was the strongest in history of seven kingdom. Riboku, Renpa, Ousen and Hakuki.

 

[Rumble]

Only 4 General was the strongest in history of seven kingdom. Riboku, Renpa, Ousen and Hakuki.

The four are widely accepted as being the best, that doesn’t necessarily make them equals.

As for who is best among them, I pose the simple question of who on this list had the least to work with?

 

[MarineHQ]

Wasn't Qin in RL far more powerful than it's shown in the Manga ?

I remember reading that it was pretty much just a matter of when each state would fall to them.

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Wasn't Qin in RL far more powerful than it's shown in the Manga ?

I remember reading that it was pretty much just a matter of when each state would fall to them.

A lot of the land that Chu has in the manga actually belonged to Qin in real life

Qin also usually had the number advantage, and their merit based government gave them a huge advantage as well

 

[Rumble]

Wasn't Qin in RL far more powerful than it's shown in the Manga ?

I remember reading that it was pretty much just a matter of when each state would fall to them.

Qin was the more aggressive and militaristic of the states. Contrary to the manga, they actually had the numerical advantage in all but a few battles during the unification battles. The state rose as a superpower very quickly through incredibly successful figures like Haku Ki's conquests, yes, but also because they had a lot of forward-thinking social policies in place that resulted in a heavily merit-based military power. The Qin military was an unequaled fighting force relative to its rivals.

 

[ray_san90]

The four are widely accepted as being the best, that doesn’t necessarily make them equals.

As for who is best among them, I pose the simple question of who on this list had the least to work with?

If we read the history, i think Hakuki was the best among them. His win record was trully scary 😬

 

[Rumble]

Just throwing this prediction out there:

Ou Hon will collect another lieutenant from the Ou Sen Army: Shi Ryou.

Sou'Ou will lose his live to save her from Ji Aga.

Ou Hon will make it in time to stop him from finishing the job.

After the battle, Shi Ryou and her powerful cavalry unit, join the Gyoku Hou.

 

[God Buggy]

Aside from Shibashou of course, I'm quite worried for Qin about what Kansaro might do. Amongst Seika's vassals we know by far the least about him in terms of his capabilities. We were told that he's Shibashou's best guy, so quite the hype there.

Whoever is first opponent is, he's gonna be in trouble. And honestly Denrimi's hunting group...those three blokes might have their heads on a spike soon. Lol.

 

[RayanOO]

Whoever is first opponent is, he's gonna be in trouble. And honestly Denrimi's hunting group...those three blokes might have their heads on a spike soon. Lol.

Yeah they are farrrrrrr too confident here

Denrimi group will have little hype before getting crushed by Seika

 

[Shanks]

And honestly Denrimi's hunting group...those three blokes might have their heads on a spike soon. Lol.

After seeing those three blokes i felt that now main generals of Ousen might not die for hyping SBS but only these fancy blokes.... lol

 

[Rumble]

Deaths

Locks

• Qin: Sou'Ou and Shunmen
• Zhao: En Kan and Gaku Shou

High likelihood

• Qin: Tajifu
• Zhao: Ba Nan Ji

50/50

• Qin: Kitari
• Zhao: Fu Tei

 

[RayanOO]

Qin: Kitari

Kitari won’t die

she is locked to be Heki’s wife

Zhao: Fu Tei

Don’t think Futei will die as well