ONE PIECE CHAPTER 1102 "THE LIFE OF KUMA"

[OPKnK]

I mean... You have a government that rules the world, what would you think they'd use clones for? Organ donors? Lol he's a stupid clown for not seeing that a manipulative government wouldn't turn it into a weapon.

VP never had a issues with what the clones were going to be use for he wanted to make weapons to fight pirates.
What he never wanted to was Kuma get fuck over like he did but Saturn wanted that.

Vegapunk is smart but at the same time he isn't smart, also at some point the World Government would have eventually forced him to make human weapon soldiers.

Vegapunk is not a perfect character.

Judge can make human clones and use them as weapons .
It not like the WG would have issues if they really want to get hands on clone tech .
I think people also forget that like some marines who know the WG evil as fuck they still think WG is better choice and that also VP.

EDIT should not even said marines but world cause yeah we kill babies to kill roger child okay no problem lol .

 

[Natalija]

Vegapunk is smart but at the same time he isn't smart, also at some point the World Government would have eventually forced him to make human weapon soldiers.

Vegapunk is not a perfect character.

Yeah, that's why I said he's intelligent but stupid.

Zero comprehensive skills outside of science.

He doesn't need to be perfect? He just has to be consistent - at the start we see he's VERY persistent when it comes to achieving his goals and curiosities through the Void investigations, which is one of the reasons why he's too dumb to realise mentioning clones would result in this.

He bonds with Kuma, but he doesn't attempt a single thing to get the upper hand in the mess he created - it's already established by now that he isn't afraid of WG - instead he whines to Saturn once he already did all the bad stuff he apparently dreaded. Where did his persistence towards his goals and passions go now? He doesn't even attempt anything, that's ridiculous. Worst character since Oden, Oda is struggling with trying to balance him being a "good but stupid guy" who does terrible stuff.

Edit: he's also already established as an absolute genius, and now you're telling me the best thing he could do was preserve Kuma's memories? Lol

 

[HA001]

Yeah, that's why I said he's intelligent but stupid.

Zero comprehensive skills outside of science.

He doesn't need to be perfect? He just has to be consistent - at the start we see he's VERY persistent when it comes to achieving his goals and curiosities through the Void investigations, which is one of the reasons why he's too dumb to realise mentioning clones would result in this.

He bonds with Kuma, but he doesn't attempt a single thing to get the upper hand in the mess he created - it's already established by now that he isn't afraid of WG - instead he whines to Saturn once he already did all the bad stuff he apparently dreaded. Where did his persistence towards his goals and passions go now? He doesn't even attempt anything, that's ridiculous. Worst character since Oden, Oda is struggling with trying to balance him being a "good but stupid guy" who does terrible stuff.

Edit: he's also already established as an absolute genius, and now you're telling me the best thing he could do was preserve Kuma's memories? Lol

Saturn hardly seems like a dumb scientist he outright told vegapunk don't try to trick him tbf
Its better if kuma is dead. That was a perfect death.

 

[Natalija]

Saturn hardly seems like a dumb scientist he outright told vegapunk don't try to trick him tbf
Its better if kuma is dead. That was a perfect death.

I mean I tell you not to insult and you do it anyways, it's not like *words* are a magic binding

I don't care about Kuma being dead. Just that Vegapunk is a terrible character.

 

[DarkWitch]

@Natalija
Lol you really are a clown.

Saturn hardly seems like a dumb scientist he outright told vegapunk don't try to trick him tbf
Its better if kuma is dead. That was a perfect death.

Yeah it doesn't matter what Vegapunk does, he can't go and trick Saturn who is also a Scientist himself.

 

[Natalija]

@Natalija
Lol you really are a clown.

All of what I said is true though

 

[.Charm.]

Saturn inserted a self-destruct mechanism into it.
Kuma will blow himself up with Vegapunk

 

[Natalija]

I mean I tell you not to insult and you do it anyways, it's not like *words* are a magic binding

I don't care about Kuma being dead. Just that Vegapunk is a terrible character.

What would be ideal here -> Vegapunk actually attempts something because he is that passionate -> fails and gets discovered -> Kuma unfortunately dies anyways -> Vegapunk gets character growth from it

Not
- Saturn sama, can I please save Kuma
- No
- Oki boss sama, lemme go kill my friend

@HA001

 

[HA001]

I mean I tell you not to insult and you do it anyways, it's not like *words* are a magic binding

I don't care about Kuma being dead. Just that Vegapunk is a terrible character.

Lol fair play.

I get what you mean.
Despite his friendship with kuma and care for bonney his ambition clouds him over his judgment

Even when kuma is about to lose himself he's pushy with the memories bubble reminding him he promised to do so.
His ambition has been shown to constantly overrule his compassion in the name of science

 

[OPKnK]

Yeah, that's why I said he's intelligent but stupid.

Zero comprehensive skills outside of science.

He doesn't need to be perfect? He just has to be consistent - at the start we see he's VERY persistent when it comes to achieving his goals and curiosities through the Void investigations, which is one of the reasons why he's too dumb to realise mentioning clones would result in this.

He bonds with Kuma, but he doesn't attempt a single thing to get the upper hand in the mess he created - it's already established by now that he isn't afraid of WG - instead he whines to Saturn once he already did all the bad stuff he apparently dreaded. Where did his persistence towards his goals and passions go now? He doesn't even attempt anything, that's ridiculous. Worst character since Oden, Oda is struggling with trying to balance him being a "good but stupid guy" who does terrible stuff.

Edit: he's also already established as an absolute genius, and now you're telling me the best thing he could do was preserve Kuma's memories? Lol

I think you are looking down on Saturn .
The man has been the Warrior God of Science and Defence for decades maybe even hundred of years .
This remind of when people though Elders would not be fighters or ever strong which made no damn sense.
When he tell VP don't try anything he would know i think we should take that at face value and also know they kill VP if he try fuck them over ( which what they now trying to do )

Lol fair play.

I get what you mean.
Despite his friendship with kuma and care for bonney his ambition clouds him over his judgment

Even when kuma is about to lose himself he's pushy with the memories bubble reminding him he promised to do so.
His ambition has been shown to constantly overrule his compassion in the name of science

It more like has short time span he spends on thinking about stuff .
Try to save kuma did not work , okay on to next thing .
Which is something we saw which is why he made 6 of him self and one fuck him over .

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Vegapunk has maxed out intelligence but extremely low wisdom.

Leave it to Oda to make the smartest man in the world look like an absolute moron

 

[HA001]

What would be ideal here -> Vegapunk actually attempts something because he is that passionate -> fails and gets discovered -> Kuma unfortunately dies anyways -> Vegapunk gets character growth from it

Not
- Saturn sama, can I please save Kuma
- No
- Oki boss sama, lemme go kill my friend

@HA001

I think that depends entirely on Saturn's capabilities

 

[Natalija]

Lol fair play.

I get what you mean.
Despite his friendship with kuma and care for bonney his ambition clouds him over his judgment

Even when kuma is about to lose himself he's pushy with the memories bubble reminding him he promised to do so.
His ambition has been shown to constantly overrule his compassion in the name of science

I agree with that, the issue with it comes that it's contradictory that he runs into a problem he apparently doesn't try to solve with science anyways. We already learned that he abides by his own wishes and isn't just a yes man.

I think you are looking down on Saturn .
The man has been the Warrior God of Science and Defence for decades maybe even hundred of years .
This remind of when people though Elders would not be fighters or ever strong which made no damn sense.
When he tell VP don't try anything he would know i think we should take that face value and also know they kill VP he try fuck over ( which what they now trying to do )

I mean Saturn hasn't done anything yet which would confirm that he's the eye of Sauron. So that's a non-argument.

 

[Cross_Marian]

Warlord backstories built different

I can’t wait for Crocodile's

 

[Natalija]

Vegapunk has maxed out intelligence but extremely low wisdom.

Leave it to Oda to make the smartest man in the world look like an absolute moron

That's often the case with very intelligent people, they don't have "street smarts".

But the way he's been written is all over the place.

 

[Cross_Marian]

I mean... You have a government that rules the world, what would you think they'd use clones for? Organ donors? Lol he's a stupid clown for not seeing that a manipulative government wouldn't turn it into a weapon.

Yes this is the biggest piece of dogshit
He’s smart but not wise
It’s the same with our scientists, in end they’re just human and have bad sides
Vegapunk is too greedy and sacrificed a lot for his research
He could easily program a secret command/function which could turn the Pacifista's into Dragon's soldiers
He can do it, he also secretly programmed Kuma to protect the Sunny
So Saturn is not watching over them 24/7

one positive thing, his design cool
He looks like a Disney character

 

[HA001]

That's often the case with very intelligent people, they don't have "street smarts".

But the way he's been written is all over the place.

I don't think he has. He's consistently been shown to prioritise the next scientific discovery regardless of morality. Jinbe even called him out on it iirc.

 

[Natalija]

Yes this is the biggest piece of dogshit
He’s smart but not wise
It’s the same with our scientists, in end they’re just human and have bad sides
Vegapunk is too greedy and sacrificed a lot for his research
He could easily program a secret command/function which could turn the Pacifista's into Dragon's soldiers
He can do it, he also secretly programmed Kuma to protect the Sunny
So Saturn is not watching over them 24/7

Yes, exactly. Proof that Saturn isn't the eye of Sauron ^ @OPKnK

 

[Cross_Marian]

Oda is showing the bad and good sides of science, governments, religion etc.
and guess what, the problem are people without any sense of morality
a path without morality is always doomed

 

[DarkWitch]

Vegapunk has maxed out intelligence but extremely low wisdom.

Leave it to Oda to make the smartest man in the world look like an absolute moron

Imo there is nothing wrong with that.

He could easily program a secret command/function which could turn the Pacifista's into Dragon's soldiers

There is still that possibility that he still did that.

 

[.Charm.]

Kuma will blow up with Vegapunk.