Controversial General Political Discussion

[Monkey D Theories]

races exist

Races are largely imaginary classifications of people based off flimsy logic and ignorance.

Hence race is only relevant as it relates to undoing damage caused by racism.

But I’ll give you an example. The nazis viewed Jews as a race, one that was inferior to the Aryan race. However any Jewish person can tell you that this idea of a “Jewish race” is bogus.

Jewishness has nothing to do with your genes, but is rather based off your religion. A person with a Jewish father but a non Jewish mother wouldn’t be Jewish…. by orthodox standards. However they would be Jewish under the reform denomination.

Furthermore one can have absolutely no familial connection to the Jewish people but still be considered Jewish if they undergo conversion.

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It’s the same for black people honestly. What even are “black people”?

Someone like Obama would be considered black in America. However in Africa, such a person would be classified as “colored” on account of Obama having a white mother.

furthermore Africa has numerous different ethnic groups all with distinct physical features. Somalians look different from west Africans, who look different from Nilotics, who look different from bushmen.

calling all of these various groups “black” is a completely arbitrary distinction made by Europeans.

You might as well say that gingers are their own race. Or fat people are their own race. Or men shorter than 6 foot are their own race.

 

[Bob74h]

No.
What you are confusing is the inexistance of races and the existence of a process called "racialization". Racialization is a social PASSIVE process where people create sociological races because of the color of the skin, the origins or the confessions of a person.

so you reject it on a biological level despite the existence of ancestry tests which by your dna can accurately tell you which race you are



kinda a stupid rebuttal anyway cause you admitting to accept race as a existent thing at least on a social lv

THen this would be coherent if you never walk on grass or recolt a flower.

there's a difference to accidentally injuring grass as opposed to killing it purposefully


stop being dishonest and carrot are you against preservation of nature????



cause it sounds like you dislike my stance on this

You are equating the impact of harrasment with stress. The effect of harrasment is not only stress, its also trauma. Let's not be intellectually dishonest here.

trauma and stress are literally go hand and hand


they are not things entirely different to one another




and yea harassment can lead to stress



tbh doubt internet dudes are really gonna inflict any long term trauma like how parental abuse or domestic abuse can


such abuse can lead to how you view all men,women or whatever long term




internet comments arent really that big of a deal man

how would you know that when you don't even want to make the distinction between a liberal and a leftist

they have the same stances on every issue and loads of people use the word interchangeably



so it just seems to be the same shit outside of you who's extremely biased, id love to hear a self professed progressive liberal say me and those leftists are different

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Races are largely imaginary classifications of people based off flimsy logic and ignorance.

there are clear physical and genetic differences such as lower immunity to sickle cell amenia and other diseases


races are based on more based on biology then social pressure

It’s the same for black people honestly. What even are “black people”?

people with ancestry originating in africa as opposed to europe or americas



it's why south americans are not black, they evolved darker skin tone separately to handle similarlly hot climates
https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidenc...sun exposure damages,of ultraviolet (UV) rays.


and since they evolved the pigment differently alot of common black features are not present in the south american people


larger lips, larger jaw muscles and more curly hair as examples

its about thelimit we put on the possibility to ends this lifeform before it becomes conscious.

if it's just solely about the level of consciousnesses then should we kill every dog

every mentally retarded person,every comatose person



level of iq or intelligence should not ever be a factor if we decide if something lives or dies



should we kill your siblings or you if it's deemed that you have lower level of conscious

 

[Logiko]

so you reject it on a biological level despite the existence of ancestry tests which by your dna can accurately tell you which race you are

No, it doesn't say which races you are as race is not a scientific term used for scientifics but by racists and nazis (and you it seems)

What you are talking about is the possibility of knowing the skin color of you ancestor through DNA, which appears to be something possible.

But the a specific skin color is not a race. In fact there is a paper showing that there is the eight genetic variants in four regions of the human genom that influence pigmentation. Those variant are shared by everyone across the planet.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aan8433

This is another evidence that shows that there are no races in the human specie.

kinda a stupid rebuttal anyway cause you admitting to accept race as a existent thing at least on a social lv

No, you don't understand. (and its REALLY IMPORTANT for you to understand)
We are not accepting the notion of race, we are describing a process where people are RACIALIZED by OTHER PEOPLE. In short, a person is "racialized" when another person they "you should have less right because you have a non white skin color)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racialization

Please, read and learn.

stop being dishonest and carrot are you against preservation of nature????

You are the dishonest one here. Discussing about walking on grass..

I don't care about nature (at least not like I care about a relative). I care about the human race and other living and sentient organisms. Nature doesn't need us to survive so there is no need to be afraid for it.

trauma and stress are literally go hand and hand

Yes, but we can't equate trauma and stress like you did.

they are not things entirely different to one another

Yes, one is much stronger and more hurtfull than the other.

tbh doubt internet dudes are really gonna inflict any long term trauma like how parental abuse or domestic abuse can

Well.. maybe you should seek the cases of people who killed themself because of harrassment on the internet..

internet comments arent really that big of a deal man

FOr you maybe, for otherss, not so much, we all react differently in front of harrassment. Your comment is ignorant of the reality of victim of harrasment on the internet.

they have the same stances on every issue and loads of people use the word interchangeably

Again.

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Again, you don't understand that liberalism is the entry right and therefore, ,liberal gets ALL the value (meritocracy / individuality / Absolute freedom / ultra liberalism / etc.) of the RIGHT side. Meaning that we are opposed to ALL OF THIS.

I don't think you understand (you seems completely blinded at this post, so much that I think that either you are trolling or you have a comprehension problem) that liberalism contains ALL the rightist value but in lower intensity when leftist contain ALL the leftist value but in lower intensity. In short, liberalism and me are like oil and water.

The reason you fail to understand that liberalism and leftism are opposed to eachother is because you completely failed to understand that society just evolved drastically in the space of a decade toward progressism because of social networks. You are just completely stuck in the vision of the right of 20 years ago when liberals were NOT progressive AT ALL.

The reality is that you are failing to see this because the only political sides that didn't evolve is the far right and this is were you get your informations from.

so it just seems to be the same shit outside of you who's extremely biased

Its seems the same.... only for the far right.

Not for everyone.

(not enough people granted, but not everyone)

there are clear physical and genetic differences such as lower immunity to sickle cell amenia and other diseases

Such a difference is not enough to distinct two races.

Races do not exist in the human specie.

Stop repeating far right and racist propaganda and inform yourself.

if it's just solely about the level of consciousnesses then should we kill every dog

every mentally retarded person,every comatose person



level of iq or intelligence should not ever be a factor if we decide if something lives or dies



should we kill your siblings or you if it's deemed that you have lower level of conscious

Careful, you are making very BAD and horrible comparisons, I'm close to the report button. And in most cases here, there is conscience.

What you don't understand, is that for the case of abortion, the concept also needs to include the notions of consent and womens right to own their body. And all the being you are talking about are not a bunch of non conscient skin+electrical activity living inside a woman's body but living people with rights.

An UNWANTED without conscience ball of skin+electrical activity is a parasite.

WOmen owns the rights to their bodies, so they should do as they please until a certain data which can be assigned differently in function of the countries.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

god.

Lord Satan help all of youse.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

so you reject it on a biological level despite the existence of ancestry tests which by your dna can accurately tell you which race you are



kinda a stupid rebuttal anyway cause you admitting to accept race as a existent thing at least on a social lv







there's a difference to accidentally injuring grass as opposed to killing it purposefully


stop being dishonest and carrot are you against preservation of nature????



cause it sounds like you dislike my stance on this






trauma and stress are literally go hand and hand


they are not things entirely different to one another




and yea harassment can lead to stress



tbh doubt internet dudes are really gonna inflict any long term trauma like how parental abuse or domestic abuse can


such abuse can lead to how you view all men,women or whatever long term




internet comments arent really that big of a deal man




they have the same stances on every issue and loads of people use the word interchangeably



so it just seems to be the same shit outside of you who's extremely biased, id love to hear a self professed progressive liberal say me and those leftists are different

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there are clear physical and genetic differences such as lower immunity to sickle cell amenia and other diseases


races are based on more based on biology then social pressure






people with ancestry originating in africa as opposed to europe or americas



it's why south americans are not black, they evolved darker skin tone separately to handle similarlly hot climates
https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics/human-skin-color-variation#:~:text=Since strong sun exposure damages,of ultraviolet (UV) rays.


and since they evolved the pigment differently alot of common black features are not present in the south american people


larger lips, larger jaw muscles and more curly hair as examples







if it's just solely about the level of consciousnesses then should we kill every dog

every mentally retarded person,every comatose person



level of iq or intelligence should not ever be a factor if we decide if something lives or dies



should we kill your siblings or you if it's deemed that you have lower level of conscious

race is a human invention. It is a category humans invented to try to organize people with different physical characteristics into boxes.

it is imaginary

 

[Toby D. Dog]

race is a human invention. It is a category humans invented to try to organize people with different physical characteristics into boxes.

it is imaginary

He doesn't understand the difference between genetic groups and race.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

New topic: what types of dating preferences are valid?

I hear a fat activists say that it’s fatphobic to not want to date fat people. I don’t want to date a fat woman, not because I necessarily find them unattractive, but because I kinda need to lose weight and I don’t want to be in a relationship with someone who has the same problems as myself.

I feel like it would create a scenario where both people enable each other’s bad behaviors.

 

[Bob74h]

No, it doesn't say which races you are as race is not a scientific term used for scientifics but by racists and nazis (and you it seems)

i think it says like east african or something like that depending ofc on your ancestry



race is barely explored in biology beyond a couple cases already mentioned which indicates genetic differences

What you are talking about is the possibility of knowing the skin color of you ancestor through DNA, which appears to be something possible.

no take a dna test, it literally tells you your exact percentage of dna that includes whatever races you are


they tested a white supremacist once and he had 14 percent Sub-Saharan african dna
https://www.cnn.com/videos/internat...l-white-supremacist-learns-he-is-biracial.cnn



it's the same sorta shit that goes behind dna tests for if the man is a father of a child or not

But the a specific skin color is not a race.

i literally disapproved of that idea in the post you responded too



like you even read what im posting???




i literally said south americans are not african heritage despite both having similar pigment colors

Those variant are shared by everyone across the planet.

bs


the only case an offspring of mine would be darker skin would be if my selected mate was darker skin otherwise the kids would just be light skinned afterall if both parents have the genes for lighter pigmention then they could only ever inherit the lighter skin genes



unless your uncle ruckus and you think re vitiligo is a thing


here's a note for you, it's not real

We are not accepting the notion of race, we are describing a process where people are RACIALIZED by OTHER PEOPLE. In short, a person is "racialized" when another person they "you should have less right because you have a non white skin color)

so when you liberals try to support black community



your pretty much just denying their existence as a separate faction with their own culture,beliefs or whatever



the woke man became so woke that he went around to becoming racist denying the existence of black people itself



the democrats would be proud
https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrj...uth_about_the_democratic_party-transcript.pdf

I care about the human race and other living and sentient organisms. Nature doesn't need us to survive so there is no need to be afraid for it.

i value nature more then humans


the life of a lion matters far more to me then one human


and yes nature does need human help to protect it from other humans who destroy it

Well.. maybe you should seek the cases of people who killed themself because of harrassment on the internet..

the people often had other irl issues going on at the time carrot


family,relationship drama and so on



the internet was just the straw that broke the camel's back.


nobody kills themselves just over the internet, there are almost always other factors at play such as mental illness


amber heard is not really a person who suffers in life, she's a rich bitch like clinton

and a manipulative person such as her would not exactly be mentally unstable



like man, id kill to have amber's position in life and your acting like she has it so rough


ohh im to have it so fucking rough let me dry my tears with these million dollar bills


i dont care about some self entitled rich twat who got supported by thousands of randoms like yourself not to mention the status quo, to compare that to suicide vitchims who had nobody to help them is digusting and yet you invoke their deaths as a means to prove some point like you leftists wouldt enjoy all the white men dying


to you guys that suffering and misery is like a popcorn show just male tears right

Again.

No.

Leftist

And

Liberals

Don't

Have

The

Same

Stances

On

Every

Issue.

In

Fact

They

Differ

On

The

Majority

Of

Their

Policies

you just say that to keep the appeal of the rebel


it's not the era of ragan anymore


tv sitcoms dont depict the conservative family structure anymore, wake up to reality carrot


times have changed, it's not the era of the right anymore



these guys who disagree on nearly everything is a made up fiction you say to make yourself feel better ig


cause nobody buys your bs here so dont see what other purpose this serves


it's not cause they racist or sexist or far right



it's just cause your full of shit and just plain wrong


biden agrees with you on every fucking issue man, I even listed them off to you before but here we go again


carrot and biden agree on femmism



carrot and biden agree on blm


carrot and biden agree on transgenderism



so on and so fucking forth every social issue that is debated currently you agree



and so since you care about facts right and logic, we should have term to call this human who thinks this way


what if we use the term liberal like yknow how everyone but you do



you can say it's ad poplum but whatever, if everyone who is x way calls themselves y thing


do we stop calling that x thing, y cause it offends one single person on a random forum


ig we should stop calling kids, kids or dogs dogs cause there was probably some fucking retard somewhere who got offended at the idea of using terms to describe things



we dont determine language based on the hurt feelings of 1 person much less one like you who is a clearly biased and b nobody respects or takes seriously

I don't think you understand (you seems completely blinded at this post, so much that I think that either you are trolling or you have a comprehension problem) that liberalism contains ALL the rightist value but in lower intensity when leftist contain ALL the leftist value but in lower intensity. In short, liberalism and me are like oil and water.

it's not blinded


you just using definitions nobody uses and then pretends like you add shit to a conversation



like you take liberal and just give it a static meaning even tho that's not how common people speak nor even the reality



when people own libs as conservatives say nobody thinks ohh he means tucker carlson


and yea you can speak using terminology nobody else has but it's just not communicating with me



and maybe liberal = nazi hitler dude in your home land of france but that's just not how English people use the term


you are on a english forum carrot with basic assumptions in that speaking the same basic language which includes same meanings and yknow figures of speech if you dislike go a french forum that speaks using french meanings



im not french,i dont speak it or give a shit what the terms mean.


use english terminology or leave


you post french videos like anybody here understands one lick of what they say or post french words with only french meanings like confusionism


and ofc you can do that but it would be the same as me posting random german shit expecting you care or understand, it's baffling stupid


long winded rant aside carrot, if everybody calls themselves liberal and they do progressive shit the the term just becomes a leftist one


words evolve you said so yourself carrot but if you wanna deny that ig gay only means happy and has zero association with homosexual men

not saying that literally just using that as a example to show words above

Its seems the same.... only for the far right.

dude anybody you call far right is just considered milquetoast conservatives by every other human who's not a fellow far left liberal like yourself



using this shit as a shaming tactic just dont work cause it's literally applied to everyone not on the leftist dogma in some way


biden despite being right wing to you does not go far right why


almost like he agrees on your politics so you cant disapprove him of entirely afterall when elections come up we know what side you be voting for


the blue one funny that despite you saying he's right wing, you guys still will show up en mass to vote for these evil liberals



like come on, this is all optics


there's no way you buy into this bs especially with you not being completely retarded like you can explain your positions well enough ig and you can debate well enough



ig it's basic internet shit but idk for a guy who debates as much as you, id imagine in your hearts of hearts you gotta know at least some of this shit you push is dumb like even hardcore christans sometimes do this

Stop repeating far right and racist propaganda and inform yourself.

my sources were literal mainstream shit

is the smithsonian


a fucking nazi organization??


also brought up cnn but knowing you im guessing you would actually say that


cause nazi no matter means anything cause leftist kinda took away the meaning of the term so that it no longer has to refer to aryan/german supremacy with nationalism at it's base


instead disagreeing with far left politics now just entails how twitter lefties like yourself use the word kinda eliminates the meaning when you change it to be so broad as to include everybody you hate



it's like those racist black people who redefine racism so they can hate on white people without being considered not woke by their friends


it's not racist, if im to kill white women in the street
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...phia-why-havent-hate-crime-charges-been-filed

privilege plus power man



it's redefining shit solely for the benefit of your group and it's fucking dishonest

And in most cases here, there is conscience.

not in the case of comatose people


it's not the point of contesting abortion, it was just to show how flawed your reason always would be



and listen it's just killing of a unborn child, that's it


you can rephrase it and rationalize it all you want but that's what the act boils down too


and im fine with it


that's gonna offend people but who gives a shit


the kid would ether be put in a orphanage or raised by a mother who has little money who didt want him to begin with, in ether case that's not a good life for the kid


so if right wing dudes really care about kids then they would be fine with abortions or fine expanding the welfare system to help mothers with low income or give orphanages


but they dont wanna fund the mother to have the kid, they just wanna force her to have it and just hopes everything works cause they pro life till it's born then after that then ig fuck it who cares about it

 

[Zenos7]

In this context we are not debating about the beginning of life, but the frontiere we put on the beginning of humanity. Simply because clinging to life would means that we must have the same respect for plants.

I was solely talking about life from biological perspective. And i emphasized that. And i emphasized that because of that what im saying might not be relevant for the abortion debate.

A zygote is just as human biologically. Its a new living human being in the first developmental stage. Now how that impacts your opinion on abortion is a different matter.

Biologicaly yes, it has the POTENTIAL of becoming a FULL human, but until it gets ALL the attribute of an homosapians sapians, its only skin + energy. Consciousness only arise around week 20th, its here that the potential gets real.

The question of abortion is dominant in conservative and far right debate because for them it stopped a human life, but in reality abortion only stops a bunch of skin+ energy to develop INTO a human. its not conscious yet. Therefore it can be stopped. If you disagree with that, then you also need to fight against people who walk on grass, recolt plants or cut trees

Doesnt matter, its human and its living. You can talk about philosophical personhood or whatever, but biologically its fucking human and alive, get over it.

Btw im not anti-abortion. the biologists who say life begins at fertilization are also not necessarily against abortion.

Then its not enough to prove that she is a psychopath.

Bruh i just gave an example. Want me to drop a list?

She had them mate. Not about the rape, but about the agressions. She also had testimonies backing her up, do not forget that

Testimony of her obviously biased sister? While she is on record admittint violence against johnny telling him to not be a baby about it?
Lmao

You do what you want, just be aware of the consequences

What consequences?

Definitions are like species, they evolves with time and environment pressure. So your argument holds no power here. Your definition (which are not even definitions in fact, you just refuse to call a trans woman a woman) are bonkers, they are anti scientific.

Yes, which is why i added something after that, which you conveniently left out.

Hit me up when definitions change so that your fringe version is the default.

Until then, transwomen are men who are transgender with a gender identity that differs from their biological sex. Get over it

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In the first point, Life is life, so if we must prevent life from being stripped away, we must do it for all living things including plants

No, because pro life people value human life above all other life forms, often this is religiously motivated

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What you are talking about is the possibility of knowing the skin color of you ancestor through DNA, which appears to be something possible.

Nah the ancestry dna stuff isnt about skin color. Its about haplogroups. Races dont exist, but human populations can still be isolated enough for us to mske genetic distinctions. Even in medicine there can be differences between "races", like iirc asian people being lactose intolerant more often

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Nature doesn't need us to survive so there is no need to be afraid for it.

Kinda does though, at least because we are fucking up nature. Whole animal species go extinct

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New topic: what types of dating preferences are valid?

I hear a fat activists say that it’s fatphobic to not want to date fat people. I don’t want to date a fat woman, not because I necessarily find them unattractive, but because I kinda need to lose weight and I don’t want to be in a relationship with someone who has the same problems as myself.

I feel like it would create a scenario where both people enable each other’s bad behaviors.

Activists like that are retarded and you shouldnt mind what they are saying.

Its fine to have your preferences as long as its about consenting adults

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Activists like that are retarded and you shouldnt mind what they are saying.

Its fine to have your preferences as long as its about consenting adults

you can have your preferences. Just don't be a dick about them.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

https://www.freethink.com/health/cancer-vaccine

It's finally happening?

 

[Bob74h]

god.

Lord Satan help all of youse.

satan is not real



he's a fictional character

New topic: what types of dating preferences are valid?

ideally ones that are inclusive and are heathy


like not preferring abusive people or being so picky that it alienates most people


so really just women dating preferences are not valid

 

[Toby D. Dog]

satan is not real



he's a fictional character

He’s as real as your ability to go through with your death threats.

 

[Bob74h]

He’s as real as your ability to go through with your death threats.

so not at all


nobody going to travel thousands of milies just to kill a random on the internet

 

[Logiko]

race is barely explored in biology beyond a couple cases already mentioned which indicates genetic differences

Genetic difference, again, doesn't mean different races. There is more in common between a black african and a white american than two king pinguins. So et's stop the discussion here.

no take a dna test, it literally tells you your exact percentage of dna that includes whatever races you are

No it does not. Its not race its ORIGINS. again, stop with the racists comments.

i literally disapproved of that idea in the post you responded too



like you even read what im posting???




i literally said south americans are not african heritage despite both having similar pigment colors

Yes I read, contrary to you, and you are still confusing race with skin colors and social ethnecity origins.

bs


the only case an offspring of mine would be darker skin would be if my selected mate was darker skin otherwise the kids would just be light skinned afterall if both parents have the genes for lighter pigmention then they could only ever inherit the lighter skin genes

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aan8433

Its literally a scientific paper mate. If you wanna play ignorance, please do it with more subtility.

There is absolutely no need for your relative to be with another skin color to create a colored baby, in fact it can skip generations.

Learn about science bro. Or don't talk at all.

so when you liberals try to support black community

I'm not a liberal, so you are not talking to me here. But continue and I will call you far rightist for real this time.

your pretty much just denying their existence as a separate faction with their own culture,beliefs or whatever



the woke man became so woke that he went around to becoming racist denying the existence of black people itself



the democrats would be proud
https://assets.ctfassets.net/qnesrj...uth_about_the_democratic_party-transcript.pdf

What you don't understand is that "woke" people are in fact fighting for people to DEinvisibilize the history and the culture of black communities.

So you are saying literally the opposite of what we are trying to do. Simply because you are ignorant about the subject and you don't understand our fight at all.

We on the contrary recognize the existence of black people as a LEGITIMATE social group of people that have rights and need, oncontrary to you who just see them as a different race like the racist you seems to be.

i value nature more then humans


the life of a lion matters far more to me then one human


and yes nature does need human help to protect it from other humans who destroy it

This explain why you have such an horrible vision on human's rights.

the people often had other irl issues going on at the time carrot

No, sometimes its just the case of an internet harassment.

nobody kills themselves just over the internet

You should look around you, nature lover. Maybe take a look at humans for once

https://jaapl.org/content/early/2023/02/23/JAAPL.220078-22

amber heard is not really a person who suffers in life, she's a rich bitch like clinton

and a manipulative person such as her would not exactly be mentally unstable

She most likely suffered violences and sexual trauma so take those words out of you sexist mouth please.

like man, id kill to have amber's position in life and your acting like she has it so rough


ohh im to have it so fucking rough let me dry my tears with these million dollar bills

Wealth do not negate violeces and sexual abuses. So stop with this incel rethoric.

i dont care about some self entitled rich twat who got supported by thousands of randoms like yourself not to mention the status quo, to compare that to suicide vitchims who had nobody to help them is digusting and yet you invoke their deaths as a means to prove some point like you leftists wouldt enjoy all the white men dying

The status co is men like you calling women "bitch".

You refuse to see the harm online harrassment can do, in fact you are complicit of propagating incel rethoric that helps this kind of behavior to flourish. You are the problem here dear far right activist.

to you guys that suffering and misery is like a popcorn show just male tears right

This is only the vision of people like you, incel that are ignorant about our fights and values. You have been "brainwashed" so much by far right rethoric that you can't see that we also fight for men in general.

I guess you will never understand.. and that's pretty sad.

you just say that to keep the appeal of the rebe

We don't care about imagery, we only care about the fight. If our vision was hegemonic, we wouldn't need to fight racist and sexist guys like you.

you just say that to keep the appeal of the rebel


it's not the era of ragan anymore


tv sitcoms dont depict the conservative family structure anymore, wake up to reality carrot


times have changed, it's not the era of the right anymore

Your problem is that you think the right is about conservatism. You are completely ignorant (once again) about what makes the right, the right.

THe right is the representation of values opposed to the left, those values include, individuality, absolute freedom, libertarianism, economic liberalism and most of all meritocracy. What you are talking about are the value of the far right and the very conservative right.

And yes, society evolved toward more progress, the family structure didn't disappear, it just changed and the right changed with it.

Those who didn't changed are the more conservative ones and the far rightist like yourself.

cause nobody buys your bs here so dont see what other purpose this serves

If nobody here "buy my bullshit" here, how can you say that my vision is the status co ?

Don't you feel like there is a contradiction here ?



Or do you really blindly believe that this forum is made of far right rebels that are fighting the status co ?

biden agrees with you on every fucking issue man, I even listed them off to you before but here we go again


carrot and biden agree on femmism



carrot and biden agree on blm


carrot and biden agree on transgenderism

You just quote me three progressive vision. This is but 5 % of every issues. And even on those three progressive vision Biden is not acting properly.

I quote you a lot more REAL values that we are opposed with against liberals, but no, your problems is feminism, transgenderism and BLM, three BASIC progressive stuff that everyone should agree on no matter the political spectrum.

You are complaintly ignoring meritocracy, liberalism, ultra capitalism, the collusion with far right gov, the interor and exterior poor policy for non priviledged people, and in case of France the collusion with the far right, the racists laws the anticonstitutional reforms, the deny of democracy..

You are completely failing to see that we completely oppose liberalism because you can't look past simple progressive data like feminism or antiracism.

You have a lot of cognitive bias problems mate.

so on and so fucking forth every social issue that is debated currently you agree

No mate but rest in ignorant in you want to..

what if we use the term liberal like yknow how everyone but you do



you can say it's ad poplum but whatever, if everyone who is x way calls themselves y thing

So you want to call an entire group X depise the fact that this entire group is saying to you "we are not X" ?

Ok.. but I call that intellectual lazyness and far right thinking.

do we stop calling that x thing, y cause it offends one single person on a random forum

Not one people, the left is a coherent group. I speak here in the name of ALL leftist : We CAN'T stand liberals (and far rightist like you, but that out of the point)

ig we should stop calling kids, kids or dogs dogs cause there was probably some fucking retard somewhere who got offended at the idea of using terms to describe things

The problem is that you don't understand basic political definition

we dont determine language based on the hurt feelings of 1 person much less one like you who is a clearly biased and b nobody respects or takes seriously

You don't have to determine language in the first place. Liberalism is used to define leftist only by the far right and ultra conservative/confusionnist, others sides of the political spectrum knowwhat liberalism means.

you just using definitions nobody uses and then pretends like you add shit to a conversation

If nobody is the far right for you, then yes, I don't use those definitions. Simply because they are incorrect with reality.

like you take liberal and just give it a static meaning even tho that's not how common people speak nor even the reality

One thing you are right about is that liberalism had multiple meaning over history. But the thing you are failing to understand is that the root of the values of liberalism are directly opposed to the values of leftist. So they can't coexist.

But since you refuse to understand reality, you will never understand these differences of values.

when people own libs as conservatives say nobody thinks ohh he means tucker carlson

Liberals are not conservative, even if conservatives can also be ultra liberals. Liberals are the group between the center and the conservative. They are the entry rightist. So I won't call Tucker Carlson a liberal. Tucker Carlson is a far right activist.

and yea you can speak using terminology nobody else has but it's just not communicating with me

Yeah, its seems, there is a communication problem on your end, I understand perfectly your points, but you completely fail to understand mines. And I know its not me not being clear enough as when I talk with other people, they can understand. its you who have a cognitive bias problem, those bias completely blinds your vision of reality.

Therefore you refuse to understand - despite me explaining clearly to you why and how - that nowaday leftists completely oppose liberalism.

and maybe liberal = nazi hitler dude in your home land of france but that's just not how English people use the term

Liberalism of France and the US are similar. The only differences is that Biden is just a little bit more open on progressive question than Macron, that's all, both are horrible in term of liberalism values

you are on a english forum carrot with basic assumptions in that speaking the same basic language which includes same meanings and yknow figures of speech if you dislike go a french forum that speaks using french meanings



im not french,i dont speak it or give a shit what the terms mean.


use english terminology or leave

Don't worry, its only you who don't understand the term, leftist of the united state also agrees that liberalism is problematic.

you post french videos like anybody here understands one lick of what they say or post french words with only french meanings like confusionism

Confusionnism might have french roots, but its a political words that describe political process that are present ALL OVER THE WORLD.
So the moment I give you a definition and an explaination of the process (I did) you shouldn't have problems with that word unless you are targeted by it (and you are, so your reaction is logical). Your lack of understanding of the concept now that it was explained is on you.

long winded rant aside carrot, if everybody calls themselves liberal and they do progressive shit the the term just becomes a leftist one

No, progressism is not something only reserved to the left, the right can also be progressive. (not the conservative one, only the liberals)

dude anybody you call far right is just considered milquetoast conservatives by every other human who's not a fellow far left liberal like yourself

The far right has a set of specific values. I don't call far right someone with just conservative or liberals values, I call them far right because they have values that are seen as far right ALL OVER the western world.

biden despite being right wing to you does not go far right why

Because biden is a liberal progressist. he understand the value of progressism so he won't go far right, but he won't make the effort to act toward real progress

(note that biden is still supporting the far right in Israel) AGAINST the left's interests.

almost like he agrees on your politics so you cant disapprove him of entirely afterall when elections come up we know what side you be voting for

Of course I won't disapprove everything he says, he is liberal not a conservative. He can still have progressive ideas so they should count. The problems is that its only a very little % of his ideas. In reality he uses like Macron ultra liberalism and the collusion with far right like in Israel.

As long as people like Biden will be meritocrate apologist, they will be on the sides of liberals, therefore, the right side (opposed to our side, where meritocracy is something of the past)

the blue one funny that despite you saying he's right wing, you guys still will show up en mass to vote for these evil liberals

Because its better to vote for a liberal rather than letting the far right win. Even if I disagree with everything Macron is saying, I will still vote for him if he ends up against the far right. That's just the right thing to do.

The problem in the united state is that election are corelated with money and lobbying so the left (who gets logically less support from rich people who don't want there money to go away) gets less visibility so less people are voting for people like Sanders for example.

my sources were literal mainstream shit

is the smithsonian


a fucking nazi organization??

The smithsonian doesn't say that race exist, only you come to this conclusion. Again, genetic difference or variations doesn't meant different of races.

cause nazi no matter means anything cause leftist kinda took away the meaning of the term so that it no longer has to refer to aryan/german supremacy with nationalism at it's base

No, nazism still means nazism.

instead disagreeing with far left politics now just entails how twitter lefties like yourself use the word kinda eliminates the meaning when you change it to be so broad as to include everybody you hate

Not everybody , just the part where you are advocating the reality of races in the human species.. just like racist and therefore, Nazis... sorry if you don't like that.

it's like those racist black people who redefine racism so they can hate on white people without being considered not woke by their friends

There is not "redifinition" of racism. Racism as always been defined by science as a system of domination. You just heard an retained a vulgarized and somehow incomplete version from school.

not in the case of comatose people

Actually yes it is

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ar-to-be-in-a-coma-may-actually-be-conscious/

Consciousness is a trait of humanity even for people in coma.

and listen it's just killing of a unborn child, that's it

No its not. Again, its only killing a bunch of skin+electrical activity which has a 100% rate of becoming a human. Its not a human yet, therefore it can't be called a child.

Its a new living human being in the first developmental stage.

Doesnt matter, its human and its living. You can talk about philosophical personhood or whatever, but biologically its fucking human and alive, get over it.

No, its a living POTENTIAL human, its not human yet. It only has the biological POTENTIAL characteristics of a human. It has not developped all human cahracteristic yet so its not fully human.

Btw im not anti-abortion. the biologists who say life begins at fertilization are also not necessarily against abortion.

Yes, and like them I agree with that consensus. Life beginning at fertilization doesn't negate the right for abortion.

Bruh i just gave an example. Want me to drop a list?

Yup, showing the characteristic of a psychopath please. (psychopathy is something defined in psychology, its not some random stupid set of actions)

Testimony of her obviously biased sister? While she is on record admittint violence against johnny telling him to not be a baby about it?
Lmao

Actually I heard this recording, and yes, she did hit him, that's something she didn't deny. This actually show that she was violent as well, just like the testimony of the psychologist of the couple was saying so.
But again, this doesn't negate the abuse she suffered too. it just means that Deep was abused too.

The problem comes when the public states that depp was a victim while Heard was the only abuser, which is false and systematically representative of the value we give to women testimonies.

What consequences?

Reports. After that, its in the hands of the staff.

Yes, which is why i added something after that, which you conveniently left out.

Hit me up when definitions change so that your fringe version is the default.

They already did. A trans woman is a woman. Period. That's scientifically established.

And sex is not just "male" or "female", its a set of characteristic that can change.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/

No, because pro life people value human life above all other life forms, often this is religiously motivated

I'm talking about consistant people. Prolife are not consistant people.

Nah the ancestry dna stuff isnt about skin color. Its about haplogroups. Races dont exist, but human populations can still be isolated enough for us to mske genetic distinctions. Even in medicine there can be differences between "races", like iirc asian people being lactose intolerant more often

I wasn't talking about haplogroups here, but the search for the skin color of ancestor in dna (which is as far as I know, something possible to do - even tho I didn't found researches about that, so i'll stay careful about that affirmation)

Kinda does though, at least because we are fucking up nature. Whole animal species go extinct

Yes you are right, I shouldn't have said "nature" but "flora". The fauna needs us to be careful about it, not flora.

 

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so not at all


nobody going to travel thousands of milies just to kill a random on the internet

Exactly. Now do yourself a favor and do something with your life. The fact that you're out here complaining about women and having a never ending argument with an unemployed french guy in his mid 30s is beyond depressing. Not to mention your pathetic attempt to threaten me

 

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is bob at it again??

 

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Genetic difference, again, doesn't mean different races. There is more in common between a black african and a white american than two king pinguins. So et's stop the discussion here.

king penguins are more alike then two races of human



it's literally the same animal entirely where that aint the case with people


we have distiint sub groups likw how dogs have breeds


a better comparsion would be tigers to lions like yea both are cats but clearly not the same kinda cat



black and white people are both people but different kinds

No it does not. Its not race its ORIGINS. again, stop with the racists comments.

it tells you where your race actually


i can take a test and it will say im part native,part irish and part german


that will always be the case because you cant change your ancestry




and no it's not racist to ackonoweldge different human poplations have different genetics


it would be racist to say x is inferior or superior based on the differing genes that would be racist yea



but the races being genetic, that's a neutral fact how you personally feel about it or interpret it is up to you


if you wanna go with a racist angle because you know humans have genetic varianace that says more about you then it does me

Your problem is that you think the right is about conservatism. You are completely ignorant (once again) about what makes the right, the right.

yea so all 200 thousand or whatever the fuck number vote conservative and are called the right wing party


yea they just full of shit but you the biased liberal no different really to a christan preacher


you know better yea sure



you can worship liberalism/leftism or whatever but im not faith based


you have your cult



and im gonna get involved and never will so make belilive about opression,god or whatever



ill just to narnia and meet aslan the lion


like we can talk and make up fantasy stories together like dumb kids at camp fire


how's that sound, you can go insane monologues and ill just not give a shit like usual



and yes i see your beliefs in the same level of evidence as narnia and the bible so in other words just entirely made up

There is absolutely no need for your relative to be with another skin color to create a colored baby, in fact it can skip generations.

literal fantasy


two white people cant produce a black kid or vice versa black people having kids that are



the only people who are dark skinned are those who have the genes for it



there's no dark skinned humans in my family so what gives thought it skipped a generation or some shit


most white people reproduce with other people so they have white kids ofc interracial couples exist but it's exception not the norm carrot


in group prefernce is part of the reason besides there's more white chicks to bang then black


personally im to find black girls hotter but ether is fine.


racial purity is kinda dumb anyway, loads of african americans have white dna like this chick

ig she just lied about the test confriming what race she was then to upset some random radical on a forum that she never met cause that checks out as a reason

Again, genetic difference or variations doesn't meant different of races.

semantics bs


what you wanna call the term to smmmarize different genetic groups of people like what else??


race is kinda always been a term for that so why change it



you kinda just deny how everybody uses english terms for no other reason then it offends you


race is valid as a term to refer to different genetic group, it's always been used that way




race never refers to idealogy unless you see skin pigments as the same as leftism or christaninity which a bad look carrot


it implies you see pigmentation as the same as make belilive radical murderers like regigioius crusaders not saying your making that claim but if you do then geez then it really seems your racist one not the right wingers




race as a idea really has killed none



idealogy however hell leftist idealogy has killed more then even hitler



look at stalin,mao and castro as proof

You just quote me three progressive vision. This is but 5 % of every issues. And even on those three progressive vision Biden is not acting properly.

almost like it was just a example lol


that's why three were named, they were examples


you also agree on abortion,immigration and other stuff


im not gonna sit and list every leftist or progressive talking point to you, the point of a example would be to illustrated

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If nobody here "buy my bullshit" here, how can you say that my vision is the status co ?

Don't you feel like there is a contradiction here ?

because random idiots on a forum arent the status quo


people like biden and cnn are status quo


they hold huge power over the average person where a worstgen user really dont


im just some guy




and your just some guy



your not a rebel and im not a huge figure that's apart of the current regime

So you want to call an entire group X depise the fact that this entire group is saying to you "we are not X" ?

opinons become irreavlelent at a certain point



you can have a group that states well im not nazi but acts and behaves exactly like ww2 nazi


-worships hitler


-thinks aryan race is better


even if they proclaim to not be nazi, their actions overide their personal self identication

If nobody is the far right for you, then yes, I don't use those definitions. Simply because they are incorrect with reality.

alex jones and nick fuentas are far right


at least if you take far right to mean further to the right then say an average conservative


dont really get how miletoast conservatives like jordon peterson are far right

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Confusionnism might have french roots, but its a political words that describe political process that are present ALL OVER THE WORLD.
So the moment I give you a definition and an explaination of the process

dude just use a normal english eqiavlent why you gotta be a weirdo like this


the point was not for confusionism, it was just the idea of it man if you wanna get your message aross in this english site then you do it using the generally accepted terms and definitions

you do it in the confines of the culture, your just gonna lose people who would otherwise saying words nobody knows dont make you smart it makes you preteninious

There is not "redifinition" of racism. Racism as always been defined by science as a system of domination. You just heard an retained a vulgarized and somehow incomplete version from school.

criitual race theory and it's attemped change of the word racism


is all relatively recent


even as far back as civil rights era racism just meant disliking one race over another or like judging somebody on their skin color


this new defintion was made by far leftists such as yourself in like 2020 and aside from literally just your group and maybe some elites nobody uses that meaning nor will i ever

Wealth do not negate violeces and sexual abuses. So stop with this incel rethoric.

she's weathy enough to buy a new house anytime she wants


abuse is not a factor unless she's willingly toralting it



and again she can wipe her tears with her million sometime dollars

 

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I kinda hate how bob and logiko post literal walls of text every time they reply

 

[Toby D. Dog]

I kinda hate how bob and logiko post literal walls of text every time they reply

Maidenless behavior. They've got nothing better to do.