Controversial General Political Discussion

[Toby D. Dog]

What a fucking loser Bob is. An unemployed and useless guy who doesn’t contribute to his own livelihood is shameless enough to call 50% of the population parasites. You’re a loser Bob.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Sure bud.

My bunny I don't like the high horse you're sitting on

 

[Toby D. Dog]

My bunny I don't like the high horse you're sitting on

If you’re posting walls of text in here then idk what to tell you.

 

[Logiko]

As predicted, besides some random insults no one is replying to Bob and debunking is rethoric. eiether its because no one care about him talking without contradiction or people here don't have the tools to reply to him correctly.. Sad sad sad...

femmism is such a clearly idealogical thing rather then a fact

Yes, feminism is ideological. That's the point. Feminism is an ideological reply to a reality.

In front of a certain injust reality you have three answers possible:

- Deny this reality
- Ignore this reality
- Face this reality

ALL three responses are IDEOLOGICAL. Which means that my reply (fight oppression through feminism) is AS ideological as your reply (Deny oppression through masculinism)

But I feel like you won't understand that.

such as the inconsistent remarks on the nature of it

if it's about empowering women as compared to men, giving them more power and knocking down patriarchy then putting women in power instead of men then that aint equality


that's supremacy, if it's a solid fact as indicated by data or observable phenanon then there should be zero contradiction as that's how the law of non contradiction works

Spoiler: there is no contradiction.... in the scientific community. The presence of a system of systematic domination of men over women is something that makes the consensus.

Only uninformed people like you are contradicting the facts and the datas mate.

And no, this is not supremacy. That's not what supremacy is.

But again. I feel like you won't understand that either. Because you don't care about fact or data, you only care about what you think.

you cant say both evolution occurs by process of natural selection and then also suggest that some deity created everything as it exists today by some form of magic, those are mutually exclusive statements just as knocking down those toxic pigs is a direct contradiction to saying let's all just be equal

No, knocking down pigs is not a contradiction to equality. Never was.

and suppose we all buy into the suggestion that these femminists are just altruistic nice people who just want things fair


im sorry so if you think that then where's the protest over men paying for dates, that's not equal wouldt equality mean both pay 50/50 not 100% of the burden put on men

and where's the protest for women being allowed to show emotions where a man not

Dude, its getting harder understanding you... I'm not Daniel Jackson. Rephrase that please

if the notion was truly as the preachers say and femminism cared about everybody then these people wouldt spend all day on twitter bashing men.

When men like you bash feminism all day long, of course you will get bash in return, what do you think ? You are legitimizing oppression mate.

what's really more likely that women made a group centered around women to gain personal power by virtue of collective might

like how every group has, gays,blacks,whites,trans or whatever


or that they are just nice happy people who love everyone and just want a more fair and just society

? What are you even saying ?

Are you saying that creating groups with people who are oppressed the same as you are, is a bad thing ?

science is a valid thing exactly due to it's lack of poltics

Nop. I just proved with multiple examples that science without politic can be bias, so either you are ignoring the history of science or you are ignoring my examples (which are factuals btw) . In both case you are showing ignorance about the subject.

if a bunch of leftists do a study on leftist idea then they gonna publish it promoting their personal belief system as ofc they are

That's not how the scientific practice works.

science can be universal cause it's not appealing to some personal belief, it's going based on data not on the personal feelings of the author

First you are again proving your ignorance about the subject. Universality only applies to hard sciences ( biology / Mathematic / physics / Chemistry etc.) and even then its not an absolute certainty. But it doesn't apply to soft science (archeology / Anthropology etc.) simply because when we talk about soft sciences, we are talking about scientific studies under a specific space and time context, so Universality is out of the question.

Second, science is not about feelings, but science without feeling is chaos, especially when we talk about soft sciences.

the scientific method includes testing your hypothesis for the exact reason that it dont turn into a propoganda mill

That's not why scientist test their hypothesis mate.

you wanna beat those right wingers, who cares about intergreity or facts so long as my side wins

Are you talking about you, who is literally ignoring facts, factual datas and science to maintain your belief system ?

literal child mentailty

Indeed, you are acting like a child. Repeating false allegation won't make them true just because you keep repeating them. You better start to listen to those who have the knowledge : scientists.

fox for pushing right wing and cnn for pushing left.

Actually wrong. Fox is pushing FAR to the right wing, and Cnn is pushing to the progressive right.

want science to be as well regarded as news organzations which are blatant potitical idealogues

You are already ignoring and laughing at science mate. You are already doing what you are denouncing.

left's idea of race is beyond dumb

There is no "left ideas of race". Races don't exists.

okay so they gotta protect blacks and to a lesser degree latins cause they have racism done to them or whatever

Why "to a lesser degree" ? Are you just speaking out of your a*s here ? You want to keep ignoring what the left is doing, fine. But not with me around. We don't treat people coming from latins country to a "lesser degree". What is up with the allegation anyway ? You are straight up lying bro. (or being ignorant again, your choice)

why dont you liberals protect asians,native americans and jews????

Me ? I'm not a liberal and indeed liberals don't protect those people.

But we do, so let's stop lying bobytroll

If you cared to informed yourself about what leftist people are doing for those community, you would understand just how ignorant you sound right now.

idk anyways point being our ancestors both were slaves does not kinda make the opresssed narrative kinda bs

Yes it does. You are just listening a bit to much to far right propagandist, that's all.

trying to divide people between on notions of opressor vs opressed is just dumb

No. Its just the description of real power process. If you want to keep legitimizing oppression by ignoring its existence you do you.. But you will be an ignora*nt on your own. Your choice.

Dividing people is actually all that your are doing right now.

most people who are white wouldt agree with the sins of their father and holding them accountable for that is not fair besides if you gonna use that logic then we should hate africans cause they were the ones who sold the slaves in the first place?

And yet, systemic racism still exist. And you will deny it.. because you simply don't understand the problem and are completely uninformed about it. (and missinformed by the far right also)

my great great grandfather burned jews dead bodies in the ovens should my entire family myself be treated badly cause of some wrongdoing my ancestor did

No. But you could start by aknowledging the oppression that still exist today and stop propaging the idea that they don't exist. That would be a step forward.

But you won't do that. Because you are who you are and you don't want to evolve.

im also native american so yea spainards conquered my family's native land and killed any number of my distant relatives long ago along with some of my ancestors

For that, you should be the first one to stand against oppression.. But no. Instead of that you are choosing to spit on the history of their oppression AND their resistance against those oppression (because they were not passive) by refusing the stand against the oppression of others.

Bringing up the fact that you have native american blood when you are doing everything you can to deny systemic racism and spit on people (sociologists and leftist) who are in fact trying to bring back into the narrative the memories and fights of your native american ancestors, is not really a smart choice Billy.

if white = evil opressor


and black = righteous vitchim


does that make mixed race kid, a vitchim of himself??

This is the proof that you don't understand at all what you are criticizing.

the goal was always power


femmisism started as a group to give women more power

Nop, it was equality. In fact its still equality.

#EducateYourself

still want men to provide for you but still want a job on the side for your own diposeble income or in alot of cases just screw working all together have the evil help man help ya

Nop, women don't want men to provide for them. That's an incel myth.

#EducateYourselfBetter

and yes women are parasites

Ok, so you are being reported for that. I won't accept incel BS here

there are some useful idiots who didt get the memo of it being a suprecist movement but they are by far a miniority and mind you were never figureheads to begin with

Are you calling "useful idiots" women who are demanding more equality right now ?

 

[Zenos7]

Sure bud.

Well yeah

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I have him on ignore.

As predicted, besides some random insults no one is replying to Bob and debunking is rethoric. eiether its because no one care about him talking without contradiction or people here don't have the tools to reply to him correctly.. Sad sad sad...

 

[NAMELESS]

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people
Livin' for today
Ah
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
You
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

 

[Ravagerblade]

I have him on ignore.

It's clear he's not a productive member of society, instead just a leech.

 

[NAMELESS]

It's clear he's not a productive member of society, instead just a leech.

Bob or C4n?

 

[Bob74h]

shameless enough to call 50% of the population parasites. You’re a loser Bob.

parasites leech off their vitchims without offering anything itself


that's generally how it's defined


and that would be exactly as loads of women do



ofc exceptions exist, there are women who actually earn a living and pinch in for things but loads of women literally are gold diggers

 

[NAMELESS]

parasites leech off their vitchims without offering anything itself


that's generally how it's defined


and that would be exactly as loads of women do



ofc exceptions exist, there are women who actually earn a living and pinch in for things but loads of women literally are gold diggers

Why so bitter,dude?

 

[Bob74h]

Why so bitter,dude?

expecting women to contribute finnicially instead of begging for money


is bitterness??


im just wanting society better and more convenivent for men. where's the wrong in that??


me wanting women to not want to leech off men is a sign of bitterness

 

[NAMELESS]

expecting women to contribute finnicially instead of begging for money


is bitterness??


im just wanting society better and more convenivent for men. where's the wrong in that??


me wanting women to not want to leech off men is a sign of bitterness

Not really,if you just a kid with a women. Its for the better that she stays at home and takes care of the kid.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

As predicted, besides some random insults no one is replying to Bob and debunking is rethoric. eiether its because no one care about him talking without contradiction or people here don't have the tools to reply to him correctly.. Sad sad sad...


Yes, feminism is ideological. That's the point. Feminism is an ideological reply to a reality.

In front of a certain injust reality you have three answers possible:

- Deny this reality
- Ignore this reality
- Face this reality

ALL three responses are IDEOLOGICAL. Which means that my reply (fight oppression through feminism) is AS ideological as your reply (Deny oppression through masculinism)

But I feel like you won't understand that.



Spoiler: there is no contradiction.... in the scientific community. The presence of a system of systematic domination of men over women is something that makes the consensus.

Only uninformed people like you are contradicting the facts and the datas mate.

And no, this is not supremacy. That's not what supremacy is.

But again. I feel like you won't understand that either. Because you don't care about fact or data, you only care about what you think.


No, knocking down pigs is not a contradiction to equality. Never was.


Dude, its getting harder understanding you... I'm not Daniel Jackson. Rephrase that please



When men like you bash feminism all day long, of course you will get bash in return, what do you think ? You are legitimizing oppression mate.



? What are you even saying ?

Are you saying that creating groups with people who are oppressed the same as you are, is a bad thing ?


Nop. I just proved with multiple examples that science without politic can be bias, so either you are ignoring the history of science or you are ignoring my examples (which are factuals btw) . In both case you are showing ignorance about the subject.



That's not how the scientific practice works.



First you are again proving your ignorance about the subject. Universality only applies to hard sciences ( biology / Mathematic / physics / Chemistry etc.) and even then its not an absolute certainty. But it doesn't apply to soft science (archeology / Anthropology etc.) simply because when we talk about soft sciences, we are talking about scientific studies under a specific space and time context, so Universality is out of the question.

Second, science is not about feelings, but science without feeling is chaos, especially when we talk about soft sciences.


That's not why scientist test their hypothesis mate.



Are you talking about you, who is literally ignoring facts, factual datas and science to maintain your belief system ?



Indeed, you are acting like a child. Repeating false allegation won't make them true just because you keep repeating them. You better start to listen to those who have the knowledge : scientists.


Actually wrong. Fox is pushing FAR to the right wing, and Cnn is pushing to the progressive right.



You are already ignoring and laughing at science mate. You are already doing what you are denouncing.



There is no "left ideas of race". Races don't exists.



Why "to a lesser degree" ? Are you just speaking out of your a*s here ? You want to keep ignoring what the left is doing, fine. But not with me around. We don't treat people coming from latins country to a "lesser degree". What is up with the allegation anyway ? You are straight up lying bro. (or being ignorant again, your choice)



Me ? I'm not a liberal and indeed liberals don't protect those people.

But we do, so let's stop lying bobytroll

If you cared to informed yourself about what leftist people are doing for those community, you would understand just how ignorant you sound right now.


Yes it does. You are just listening a bit to much to far right propagandist, that's all.



No. Its just the description of real power process. If you want to keep legitimizing oppression by ignoring its existence you do you.. But you will be an ignora*nt on your own. Your choice.

Dividing people is actually all that your are doing right now.



And yet, systemic racism still exist. And you will deny it.. because you simply don't understand the problem and are completely uninformed about it. (and missinformed by the far right also)



No. But you could start by aknowledging the oppression that still exist today and stop propaging the idea that they don't exist. That would be a step forward.

But you won't do that. Because you are who you are and you don't want to evolve.


For that, you should be the first one to stand against oppression.. But no. Instead of that you are choosing to spit on the history of their oppression AND their resistance against those oppression (because they were not passive) by refusing the stand against the oppression of others.

Bringing up the fact that you have native american blood when you are doing everything you can to deny systemic racism and spit on people (sociologists and leftist) who are in fact trying to bring back into the narrative the memories and fights of your native american ancestors, is not really a smart choice Billy.


This is the proof that you don't understand at all what you are criticizing.



Nop, it was equality. In fact its still equality.

#EducateYourself


Nop, women don't want men to provide for them. That's an incel myth.

#EducateYourselfBetter



Ok, so you are being reported for that. I won't accept incel BS here



Are you calling "useful idiots" women who are demanding more equality right now ?

There’s no point in trying to educate someone who’s willfully ignorant

 

[Bob74h]

Not really,if you just a kid with a women. Its for the better that she stays at home and takes care of the kid.

grandparents can help watch them whilie you work


or get this



if you gonna stay at home at least go on welfare, to help pay the bills at least in what little way


you can

 

[Monkey D Theories]

parasites leech off their vitchims without offering anything itself


that's generally how it's defined


and that would be exactly as loads of women do



ofc exceptions exist, there are women who actually earn a living and pinch in for things but loads of women literally are gold diggers

It’s called a consensual relationship

Those men chose to marry those girls, in fact I’m sure most of them wanted a tradwife. And if they don’t, they have the freedom to leave.

 

[NAMELESS]

grandparents can help watch them whilie you work


or get this



if you gonna stay at home at least go on welfare, to help pay the bills at least in what little way


you can

Dude,wtf? Not everyone has a grandma and some elderly people can't even care for themselves. Let moms take care of their kids like they have being doing for millions of years.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

My grandma might die in the next few days.

 

[NAMELESS]

grandparents can help watch them whilie you work


or get this



if you gonna stay at home at least go on welfare, to help pay the bills at least in what little way


you can

Fuck welfare too. Only people that can't work and have no family members to care for them should get money form the government.

 

[Bob74h]

It’s called a consensual relationship

it's not exactly consensual when your indoctrinated to think that way and cant reproduce unless you agree to the woman's demands


it's not consenual when it's as a result of manipluation


if you wanna have kids but dont wanna support a woman then who cares get fucked, pay up or you dont get to have a family



that's a entirely consenual encounter, pay me or you literally have no option to spread your genes.