Speculations Do you want Kizaru to betray the WG?
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Imo, Kizaru would be a more interesting character if he stays loyal to the WG despite not enjoying having to turn against his friends. Also, considering that Garp stayed loyal to the WG when his adopted grandson was being executed, it would be pretty stupid if Kizaru betrayed the WG because of Vegapunk and co. Sure he's friends with them, but he shouldn't be as close to them as Garp was with Ace. Kizaru only met Kuma and Bonney a few times anyways
Why would he stay loyal to Saturn? Throughout the arc, we see that Kizaru truly cares for Vegapunk, Sentomaru, and even Bonney.
Even in the latest chapter, Kizaru says Sentomaru and Bonney, yeah on one hand Kizaru has to kill Vegapunk because he was ordered to but at the same time we see that part of him still doesn't want to kill Vegapunk.
And now we have Kizaru witnessing Saturn's true form and hearing Saturn saying all these horrible things he did to Kuma and Bonney.
I don't think Kizaru is going to stay loyal to someone like Saturn after witnessing and hearing everything that he did.
Kizaru also doesn't have to betray Saturn directly, he can still betray him indirectly without Saturn and the WG finding out.
Also Garp isn't really loyal to WG, he is more loyal to the Marines.
Even in the latest chapter, Kizaru says Sentomaru and Bonney, yeah on one hand Kizaru has to kill Vegapunk because he was ordered to but at the same time we see that part of him still doesn't want to kill Vegapunk.
And now we have Kizaru witnessing Saturn's true form and hearing Saturn saying all these horrible things he did to Kuma and Bonney.
I don't think Kizaru is going to stay loyal to someone like Saturn after witnessing and hearing everything that he did.
Kizaru also doesn't have to betray Saturn directly, he can still betray him indirectly without Saturn and the WG finding out.
Also Garp isn't really loyal to WG, he is more loyal to the Marines.
Kizaru has seen the CDs enslave, torture, rape, and genocide millions of people and was a-ok with it. It'd be pretty stupid for him to suddenly betray the WG just because they want to assassinate Vegapunk
Lmao, imagine wanting Oda to ruin the story just so you can troll some Admiral fans
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Yes, Kizaru for nakama, would be the ultimate humiliation for the AssmiraL fandom
Yes.
The Marines and WG have been coming to a head ever since Post time skip.
Akainu has openly expressed his disdain in being the lap dog of the WG. But he has been professional and tried to bring the Admirals and Marines under order.
Aokiji left the Marines to work for a yonko.
Fujitora has been actively working against the WG.
Sword has been increasing in number and just pulled off an attack on a Yonkos territory.
Basically. The Marines are in disarray. Akainu is torn between being a pencil pusher trying to do his job, and being out there actively taking action to eradicate the world of filthy pirates.
The thing binding Akainu to his desk is the status, the position, the leadership role that he got in the World Govt. Without such shackles, he'd be way more effective.
That brings us to Kizaru. Who's seen as basically the right hand man of Akainu.
On top of all the problems within the Marines, if Kizaru were to actively act out against a Gorosei, and in turn the whole World Govt, the dices that have been set up for long will finally fall at once. Kizaru betraying saturn will be the straw that breaks Akainu's desk.
Marines will effectively leave the WG and be their own organization free from the corrupt hands of the WG.
Akainu will be forced into it. Then lead the Marines in a full assault on all the pirate scum in the world. With Kizaru and Fujitora at his side. The Marines will finally be proactive in their quest for a peaceful world free of Pirate scum.
They may not be completely successful. But they will be way more effective than their current situation.
Oda has already explained through the Revs that the real evil is the WG. Revs, the ones looking to topple the monarchy of the entire world, says that their target is the WG, and only the WG. Not the Marines.
So I see no reason the Marines should still be aligned with the WG in the final war.
Oda has also said that there will be a massive free for all war coming.
I believe it will be the result of the independent Marine campaign against all the pirates in the world. It will coincide with the Yonko battles to be the first ones to laughtale. Maybe the war will even be AT Laughtale.
Anyway, after the huge war, the strawhats and their allies, now grown to an armada capable of challenging the World govt itself, will come out on top, and thus they will launch their final assault on Mariejoa in the last war of One piece.
So yes. Kizaru betraying saturn is happening, as oda has hinted throughout the arc.
And it's ramifications will be "The big incident of egg head" That oda promised.
which will be the Marines seceding from the World Govt completely and becoming an independent faction that will work against both the WG and also the Yonko and other pirates.
The Marines and WG have been coming to a head ever since Post time skip.
Akainu has openly expressed his disdain in being the lap dog of the WG. But he has been professional and tried to bring the Admirals and Marines under order.
Aokiji left the Marines to work for a yonko.
Fujitora has been actively working against the WG.
Sword has been increasing in number and just pulled off an attack on a Yonkos territory.
Basically. The Marines are in disarray. Akainu is torn between being a pencil pusher trying to do his job, and being out there actively taking action to eradicate the world of filthy pirates.
The thing binding Akainu to his desk is the status, the position, the leadership role that he got in the World Govt. Without such shackles, he'd be way more effective.
That brings us to Kizaru. Who's seen as basically the right hand man of Akainu.
On top of all the problems within the Marines, if Kizaru were to actively act out against a Gorosei, and in turn the whole World Govt, the dices that have been set up for long will finally fall at once. Kizaru betraying saturn will be the straw that breaks Akainu's desk.
Marines will effectively leave the WG and be their own organization free from the corrupt hands of the WG.
Akainu will be forced into it. Then lead the Marines in a full assault on all the pirate scum in the world. With Kizaru and Fujitora at his side. The Marines will finally be proactive in their quest for a peaceful world free of Pirate scum.
They may not be completely successful. But they will be way more effective than their current situation.
Oda has already explained through the Revs that the real evil is the WG. Revs, the ones looking to topple the monarchy of the entire world, says that their target is the WG, and only the WG. Not the Marines.
So I see no reason the Marines should still be aligned with the WG in the final war.
Oda has also said that there will be a massive free for all war coming.
I believe it will be the result of the independent Marine campaign against all the pirates in the world. It will coincide with the Yonko battles to be the first ones to laughtale. Maybe the war will even be AT Laughtale.
Anyway, after the huge war, the strawhats and their allies, now grown to an armada capable of challenging the World govt itself, will come out on top, and thus they will launch their final assault on Mariejoa in the last war of One piece.
So yes. Kizaru betraying saturn is happening, as oda has hinted throughout the arc.
And it's ramifications will be "The big incident of egg head" That oda promised.
which will be the Marines seceding from the World Govt completely and becoming an independent faction that will work against both the WG and also the Yonko and other pirates.
I don’t think it makes much sense for him having a full betrayal, fighting against them. What’s the impetus for him doing it? In this arc so far Kizaru has
-beaten the shit out of Sentomaru
-kicked Bonney into a deadly laser barrier
-tried to kill Vegapunk
He’s also, historically, been quite closely associated with the Celestial Dragons. He’s the one who goes out after Charloss has been hit, he’s the one giving food to Saturn, he apologises to Saturn for failing on Egghead against Luffy.
Yes, Kizary is clearly close to the Egghead group. He has expressed regret about what he is doing. But he’s still doing it.
Where I think he might end up choosing his Egghead friends over the Marines will be if there’s a single moment at the very end where he can either act/not act, and what Kizaru does will determine if the Egghead group escape alive or not. Especially if it’s a moment that leads to Kizaru’s death.
Like the island is about to be nuked by Uranus, the Sunny is sailing away, he’s got orders to fire on the ship and he choses not to, and goes down with the island instead. Something like that.
-beaten the shit out of Sentomaru
-kicked Bonney into a deadly laser barrier
-tried to kill Vegapunk
He’s also, historically, been quite closely associated with the Celestial Dragons. He’s the one who goes out after Charloss has been hit, he’s the one giving food to Saturn, he apologises to Saturn for failing on Egghead against Luffy.
Yes, Kizary is clearly close to the Egghead group. He has expressed regret about what he is doing. But he’s still doing it.
Where I think he might end up choosing his Egghead friends over the Marines will be if there’s a single moment at the very end where he can either act/not act, and what Kizaru does will determine if the Egghead group escape alive or not. Especially if it’s a moment that leads to Kizaru’s death.
Like the island is about to be nuked by Uranus, the Sunny is sailing away, he’s got orders to fire on the ship and he choses not to, and goes down with the island instead. Something like that.
Not betraying, but going against Saturn, yeah.
If anything, considering how bidimensional, flat-out evil Saturn turned out to be, it is strange it did not happen before.
Explicitly out of respect for his determination, did not kill him and Sentomaru was up a bunch of chapters later.
Yeah, so deadly in fact it did not even incapacitate Bonney lol.
And did it while saying he did not want to hurt his friends more than necessary.
On the contrary, I think he has quite clearly already helped Luffy. But I suppose you don't agree, if not you would have not written this.
If anything, considering how bidimensional, flat-out evil Saturn turned out to be, it is strange it did not happen before.
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Explicitly out of respect for his determination, did not kill him and Sentomaru was up a bunch of chapters later.
Yeah, so deadly in fact it did not even incapacitate Bonney lol.
And did it while saying he did not want to hurt his friends more than necessary.
On the contrary, I think he has quite clearly already helped Luffy. But I suppose you don't agree, if not you would have not written this.
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