Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1104 Spoilers Discussion

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So Garp lost Ace and retired but didn’t take a hit inside ? Only Sengoku became weaker ? Not buying that at all. Current Garp is not the same Garp at all. The man retired from active duty, while Marine was all he lived for.
I don't think this makes sense bro. I believe nothing really implied Ace's death left a permanent mark on Garp’s mental state, at least nothing has shown it did.

Sure all of the old legends get weaker with each passing year but while Ray was off chilling for almost two decades Garp was training every single day even after he officially retired 2 years ago.

That's definitely reason enough for me to say he didn't get that much weaker compared to Old Ray.
 
Sakazuki managed to stay up and tear a limb from an opponent, while true Aokiji was damn impressive to stalemate Akainu, it doesn't scream "Near Equals", to me that is Luffy vs Lucci in EL.

Garp is an Old Legend, whom needed to be softed down by Shiryu before Kuzan started doing something, and do not forget how he said his strength has decreased.

Aokiji defeated Jozu because his role was over, not because Aokiji was above Kizaru, since the latter would also defeat Jozu fairly easy.
It does since it took Sakazuki 10 days to eventually win after the island was split in two equal parts. Sakazuki didn’t randomly get stronger meaning he and Kuzan were perfectly equal for those ten days.

Rayleigh also mentioned getting much weaker since his prime days; doesn’t change that Kuzan fought the one with the greater hype.

Kizaru wouldn’t have defeated Jozu easily just like he didn’t defeat Marco who’s damn close to Jozu in strength.

Kuzan > Kizaru is just consistent in the manga for a reason.
 
Hopefully we get to see real power from an admiral, it's quite embarrasing that Kizaru was down from that punch and people think he can defeat kaido. Dom't get the fuss about Saturn losing a limb seeing as he can regenerate, is this another cope from admiralfans for their admirals > gorosei agenda? They been taking luffy being down from G5 limitation as a W.
 
It does since it took Sakazuki 10 days to eventually win after the island was split in two equal parts. Sakazuki didn’t randomly get stronger meaning he and Kuzan were perfectly equal for those ten days.

Rayleigh also mentioned getting much weaker since his prime days; doesn’t change that Kuzan fought the one with the greater hype.

Kizaru wouldn’t have defeated Jozu easily just like he didn’t defeat Marco who’s damn close to Jozu in strength.

Kuzan > Kizaru is just consistent in the manga for a reason.

Rayleigh is obviously weaker, but it was a 1v1, Kizaru didn't get any external help and was cornering Ray on his own.

Kizaru didn't defeat Marco just like Aokiji wouldn't, plot convenience for Marco to lead the Remnants of the WBP.

And again, Akainu had Kuzan at his mercy, he could had kill Kuzan, but he chose not to, Kuzan is only alive because Akainu wished so, Kuzan lost a leg.
 
Rayleigh is obviously weaker, but it was a 1v1, Kizaru didn't get any external help and was cornering Ray on his own.

Kizaru didn't defeat Marco just like Aokiji wouldn't, plot convenience for Marco to lead the Remnants of the WBP.

And again, Akainu had Kuzan at his mercy, he could had kill Kuzan, but he chose not to, Kuzan is only alive because Akainu wished so, Kuzan lost a leg.
Bro Sakazuki didn’t have kuzan at his mercy. You’re really just making this up to separate Sakazuki from Kuzan; but that’s not what the manga showed.

There isn’t a single showing between Kuzan and Kizaru where Kizaru looked better lmao
 
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