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Let's not compare what I said with psychophobia which is something that can actually hurt people. Drinking and sayin weird stuff is something everyone does. it would have been bad if I said "so you are an alcohoolic then". Do you understand the difference ?
So let's stop comparing things that have nothing in common here okay ?
And yet, when we bring proof, researches and data, you ignore or spit on them.
You don't care who is right or wrong, you only care about YOU being right.
Tell me Einstein. If conservative rejects the system. Why do they want to elect Trump who wants to protect and reenforce the system ?
If conservative rejects the system. Why are they constantly enabling descision favoring the richs ? hm ?
Said the one who never read sociology and never asked social sciences scientists their opinion on sociology.
Because science leans left. Simple as that.
You leans toward conservatism and therefore toward antiscience mate :)
So let's stop comparing things that have nothing in common here okay ?
And yet, when we bring proof, researches and data, you ignore or spit on them.
You don't care who is right or wrong, you only care about YOU being right.
Tell me Einstein. If conservative rejects the system. Why do they want to elect Trump who wants to protect and reenforce the system ?
If conservative rejects the system. Why are they constantly enabling descision favoring the richs ? hm ?
Said the one who never read sociology and never asked social sciences scientists their opinion on sociology.
Because science leans left. Simple as that.
You leans toward conservatism and therefore toward antiscience mate :)
I mean it’s a factually incorrect generalization of Jewish people that serves to push a racist conspiracy theory(the great replacement).
So yeah it’s antisemitic.
There were several Jewish people who were high ranking advisors to Trump, literally one of the most anti immigrant presidents in American history.
So yeah it’s antisemitic.
There were several Jewish people who were high ranking advisors to Trump, literally one of the most anti immigrant presidents in American history.
Indeed. That's why we should not make fun of alcohoolics. And that's not what I did, I made fun of the act of drinking, not the addiction.
So let's be careful when we try to use progressism to return things against someone with an argument we don't understand. That's not something I like.
Then you are saying wrong stuff on your own accords about progressism which is problematic and a reason why I still don't fully consider you on my side yet.
You are missunderstanding a lot of progressist argument. Which is ok, we all have to learn, but try to listen what I'm saying here when I say that those things are not racist in anyway.
There are things that are indeed a bit problematic in One Piece, but you are not looking the right way.
No
You do. You tried to make a point to contradict me. It didn't work, move on.
So let's be careful when we try to use progressism to return things against someone with an argument we don't understand. That's not something I like.
Then you are saying wrong stuff on your own accords about progressism which is problematic and a reason why I still don't fully consider you on my side yet.
You are missunderstanding a lot of progressist argument. Which is ok, we all have to learn, but try to listen what I'm saying here when I say that those things are not racist in anyway.
There are things that are indeed a bit problematic in One Piece, but you are not looking the right way.
No
You do. You tried to make a point to contradict me. It didn't work, move on.
My bunny you're wrong. You don't see the racial stereotyping in the examples I brought up?
I'll return this one, you have to learn a thing or two about hidden racism especially outside of western context. Lolda seems to be indifferent to his own country's struggles with internal racism to the point he saw no necessity to represented the indigenous minority of his own country in an arc dedicated to historical Japan. And remember the sbs where he said Usopp would be from "Africa" if here were from the real world? The other strawhats got specific countries of origin instead. You can't make this shit up. No pun intended but you fail to grasp the subtext here, unironically.
Meanwhile you didn't even try to make a point to contradict me you just went and said "lol you're drunk".
And YOU are the one who can't move on and fall for every bait of those neo Nazis in this thread
Kein Ausländisch auf Teutschen Schulhöfen bitte!
I'll return this one, you have to learn a thing or two about hidden racism especially outside of western context. Lolda seems to be indifferent to his own country's struggles with internal racism to the point he saw no necessity to represented the indigenous minority of his own country in an arc dedicated to historical Japan. And remember the sbs where he said Usopp would be from "Africa" if here were from the real world? The other strawhats got specific countries of origin instead. You can't make this shit up. No pun intended but you fail to grasp the subtext here, unironically.
Meanwhile you didn't even try to make a point to contradict me you just went and said "lol you're drunk".
And YOU are the one who can't move on and fall for every bait of those neo Nazis in this thread
Kein Ausländisch auf Teutschen Schulhöfen bitte!
There are none.
You know what would be stereotypical and dehumanizing ? If Oda tried to promote the retrograde and colonialist ideas that those two populations are "savages" and uneducated. Those things would be an example of promotion of dehumanization and stereotyping of native populations.
But that's not what happens. In both cases, the population is educated, smart, courageous and allies. And in one of those cases, the population is fighting oppression.
So you tell me. What do you find stereotypical in those cases ? What do you feel is hurting the memories and current images of the native populations here ?
There is no such thing as "hidden racism" unless you are talking about internalized racism which is a real thing. Racism is an ideology transformed into a system of domination. We are all racist because we all live in a systemic racist society.
What are you even talking about here ?
Indeed .. That's a common colonialist things that people in colonial societies (and their allies) tends to do. Its not specific to Oda, that's how the majority of the people coming from colonialist countries think when they don't take time to think : Africa as a country.
Noone is immune to having colonialist and racist bias and saying dumb stuff.. Oda is not an exception. But we are not talking about what he said, we are talking about what he wrote and draw. And on that front, there are only problems of representations (meaning very few people of color), but racist and colonialist stereotypes.. surprisingly not so much.
Indeed. Because there needs to be someone contradicting them. If no one is stepping in to contradict them, new people coming here will think that what they say is something normal on this forum when its not the case.
Nop. That's a wrong statement.
Science is not neutral, its progressive by nature by the fact that it tries to uncover mysteries and understand reality but also because its done by humans. You can't be neutral, even when doing science. Those who make science are human and therefore they will bring human biases with them.
I demonstrated how it can happen in late december by giving you researched paper on the bias in science concerning the place and the value given to women in this discipline. If you change the scientist, you wil also change the vision of science and how the scientist will work. Therefore science as a discipline that can't be neutral. Its human.
And it shouldn't be neutral, it must stay human because being human is what keep scientific research to stay ethical. If science was neutral, there wouldn't be any problem for scientist to blow the world with atomic bombs to understand the effects, there wouldn't be any problems for scientist to test on human subjects. Science without ethical bias would be chaos.
You know what would be stereotypical and dehumanizing ? If Oda tried to promote the retrograde and colonialist ideas that those two populations are "savages" and uneducated. Those things would be an example of promotion of dehumanization and stereotyping of native populations.
But that's not what happens. In both cases, the population is educated, smart, courageous and allies. And in one of those cases, the population is fighting oppression.
So you tell me. What do you find stereotypical in those cases ? What do you feel is hurting the memories and current images of the native populations here ?
There is no such thing as "hidden racism" unless you are talking about internalized racism which is a real thing. Racism is an ideology transformed into a system of domination. We are all racist because we all live in a systemic racist society.
What are you even talking about here ?
Indeed .. That's a common colonialist things that people in colonial societies (and their allies) tends to do. Its not specific to Oda, that's how the majority of the people coming from colonialist countries think when they don't take time to think : Africa as a country.
Noone is immune to having colonialist and racist bias and saying dumb stuff.. Oda is not an exception. But we are not talking about what he said, we are talking about what he wrote and draw. And on that front, there are only problems of representations (meaning very few people of color), but racist and colonialist stereotypes.. surprisingly not so much.
Indeed. Because there needs to be someone contradicting them. If no one is stepping in to contradict them, new people coming here will think that what they say is something normal on this forum when its not the case.
Nop. That's a wrong statement.
Science is not neutral, its progressive by nature by the fact that it tries to uncover mysteries and understand reality but also because its done by humans. You can't be neutral, even when doing science. Those who make science are human and therefore they will bring human biases with them.
I demonstrated how it can happen in late december by giving you researched paper on the bias in science concerning the place and the value given to women in this discipline. If you change the scientist, you wil also change the vision of science and how the scientist will work. Therefore science as a discipline that can't be neutral. Its human.
And it shouldn't be neutral, it must stay human because being human is what keep scientific research to stay ethical. If science was neutral, there wouldn't be any problem for scientist to blow the world with atomic bombs to understand the effects, there wouldn't be any problems for scientist to test on human subjects. Science without ethical bias would be chaos.
