its generalizing either way, and we shouldnt generalize people by categories we designed in the first place. if there seems to be a statistical trend (like the famous crime rate of black people despite them being a small fraction of the US population), we need to research why the statistics are the way they are. generalizing and saying black people are more likely to be criminal is just an easy way out without putting any work in.
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I really doubt he has a better life than me.Dude,keeps bitching about the price of health care in America. I'm not a millionaire,but thinks are pretty confortable for me.
If you find yourself with no money,job,house or car,you find tempted to do illegal shit. Which is the situation many of the illegals aliens find themselves in.
wtf...central america is dangerous as fuck,dude.
Congratulations,your dad achieved the American dream lmfao. My parents also work with construction,they are both civil engineers and they have business in both Brazil and Europe(Portugal).
If you find yourself with no money,job,house or car,you find tempted to do illegal shit. Which is the situation many of the illegals aliens find themselves in.
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wtf...central america is dangerous as fuck,dude.
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Congratulations,your dad achieved the American dream lmfao. My parents also work with construction,they are both civil engineers and they have business in both Brazil and Europe(Portugal).
Here’s a study that shows how migrants regardless of status commit less crime than natural born citizens.
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-resea...d more,think that immigration increases crime.
https://www.cato.org/blog/new-resea...d more,think that immigration increases crime.
Can you build a house over night?
Can you build schools over night?
Can you create job opportunities over night?
Your logic is so extremely flawed I’m genuinely at a loss for words how you’re able to believe what you’re saying.
Resources doesn’t matter if you don’t have the means to provide for those who need them.
I’m not sure if you understand that things take time, and if there’s a constant influx of people needing excess which is being spread more and more thin, at some point there is NO excess.
It should be clear as day that America is at that point where it is a genuine problem, and then there are people like you who think they are superior to the immigrant. You are a huge hypocrite, and if I were you I would genuinely take a step back and reflect on your values.
Can you build schools over night?
Can you create job opportunities over night?
Your logic is so extremely flawed I’m genuinely at a loss for words how you’re able to believe what you’re saying.
Resources doesn’t matter if you don’t have the means to provide for those who need them.
I’m not sure if you understand that things take time, and if there’s a constant influx of people needing excess which is being spread more and more thin, at some point there is NO excess.
It should be clear as day that America is at that point where it is a genuine problem, and then there are people like you who think they are superior to the immigrant. You are a huge hypocrite, and if I were you I would genuinely take a step back and reflect on your values.
These people come to America for the specific purpose of finding work. Low paying American jobs pay a lot better than whatever work these people can find at home, so they come to the US in hopes of finding these jobs.
If these people wanted to be criminals, they have no reason to come to America. They can just be criminals in central America. The American police and federal law enforcement is much stronger than it is in central America. If they wished to be criminals, they could just stay in their countries and be more successful criminals than they would be in the US.
The reason a lot of people leave Central America is specifically because they don't want to join the cartels.
These people want to live in first world countries. They want to get paid in USD, which is worth a lot more than their currency back home.
Why would these people commit crimes that would get them deported?
If anyone commits crimes, its probably the children of immigrants, who grow up poor and don't realize how hard their parents worked to bring them where they are. But again, crime is a systemic issue, its not something inherent to a certain class or group of people.
If these people wanted to be criminals, they have no reason to come to America. They can just be criminals in central America. The American police and federal law enforcement is much stronger than it is in central America. If they wished to be criminals, they could just stay in their countries and be more successful criminals than they would be in the US.
The reason a lot of people leave Central America is specifically because they don't want to join the cartels.
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These people want to live in first world countries. They want to get paid in USD, which is worth a lot more than their currency back home.
Why would these people commit crimes that would get them deported?
If anyone commits crimes, its probably the children of immigrants, who grow up poor and don't realize how hard their parents worked to bring them where they are. But again, crime is a systemic issue, its not something inherent to a certain class or group of people.
The seek for progress is still a moral act toward progress. No matter what kind of shape it takes.
The left is at its core, a materialist side. And science will most often confirm the reality of materialism. The left will therefore be the side that will use and listen the most to science. And like I demonstrated, the act of science is a moral act toward more progressism and therefore more discoveries. So yes, the act of doing science is leaning logically toward leftism.
This is why you will see scientist be either leftist (those who understand the importance of social sciences) or liberals (those who are not interested in social sciences but only hard sciences and are sometimes still trapped in an idealistic vision of human behaviors), but quite rarely rightist and almost never (if not corrupted) far rightist.
Those people either never did science or never really listened to scientists and the consensus in social sciences like I did.
Science simply can't be disconnected from the researchers. The scientific method doesn't negate the potential bias of the scientific process.
Of course, the more you will lean toward universalism and replicable results, the potential for bias will diminished, that's why you will see very few biases in mathematics or physics but it can always happen. One of the biggest bias that can happen is sexism. I delivered you researches showing how sexism is still hurting the scientific process. Not only in the result but in the method and the scientific process itself. Women are less listenned to and recruted, and therefore potential new ways of looking at the world are deevaluated systematically. Its not always about the results, the scientific process uncompass everything from those who pay the bills to those who publish conclusions of scientists.
This is a domain where you will see very few biases, so most likely not concerning the conclusion. But the process that can lead toward this conclusion, definitely. Again, science is not all about the conclusion. The scientific process uncompass everything and every situations from the moment someone pays the bills or discover something to the moment someone publish the conclusions of scientists.
In hard science you will see very few bias in conclusions because of the universal characteristic of those disciplines (although you might see them in the process of making those conclusions. Those bias can someone prevent someone from ever reaching those conclusions or someone to produce or publish those conclusions.) In soft science on the other side, biases are a lot more problematic as they are more present because those are sciences studying human behaviors. So we need to be more careful.
Yes, but the scientific process (there is not really a scientific method) is not perfect. It does not make science a divine and non human discipline
No, just a logical fact.
I'm not the one who said that the earth orbiting the sun won't change..
Respect yourself.
Your prayer shall be answered:
https://www.businessinsider.com/imm...ans-commit-a-lot-more-crime-than-immigrants-2
https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...ation_of_immigration_in_the_united_states.pdf
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ond-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/
Something that can help shelter people, yes. Definitely.
There is no need for that. There are a lot of spaces that can be transformed into school overnight if needed.
More complicated, but you can for example redirect the part of the non necessary wealth of those who have a lot to permit for those who have very few to get something until they can have a job. And yes, you can do that over night if needed.
There are thousands of solution to allow people who have few to have access to stuff.
Now, I replied to those. But you will need to understand that those assertion are completely fallacious.
People are not demanding to help the poor and those in difficulty since yersteday. Let's not forget that fact mate.
We have enough ressources to provide. Those ressources are just not well and ethically distributed. :cheers:
That's an excuse to do nothing. People have been trying to change the capitalist system for more than a century. It doesn't take a century to change a system.
The current liberal and capitalistic status co is not due to time or to our situation, its a choice.
Its not. Not in America and not in Europe.
It could be the case in poor and countries in difficulties, but that's not the case for those super power states.
So because I'm trying to help the cause of immigrant, I'm suddenly "superior" to immigrant ?
Are you sure you are thinking straight here ?
Sure.
I'm fine with my values thank you. But looking that the violence in the way you adress to me, I think you are not completely fine with yours.
The left is at its core, a materialist side. And science will most often confirm the reality of materialism. The left will therefore be the side that will use and listen the most to science. And like I demonstrated, the act of science is a moral act toward more progressism and therefore more discoveries. So yes, the act of doing science is leaning logically toward leftism.
This is why you will see scientist be either leftist (those who understand the importance of social sciences) or liberals (those who are not interested in social sciences but only hard sciences and are sometimes still trapped in an idealistic vision of human behaviors), but quite rarely rightist and almost never (if not corrupted) far rightist.
Those people either never did science or never really listened to scientists and the consensus in social sciences like I did.
Science simply can't be disconnected from the researchers. The scientific method doesn't negate the potential bias of the scientific process.
Of course, the more you will lean toward universalism and replicable results, the potential for bias will diminished, that's why you will see very few biases in mathematics or physics but it can always happen. One of the biggest bias that can happen is sexism. I delivered you researches showing how sexism is still hurting the scientific process. Not only in the result but in the method and the scientific process itself. Women are less listenned to and recruted, and therefore potential new ways of looking at the world are deevaluated systematically. Its not always about the results, the scientific process uncompass everything from those who pay the bills to those who publish conclusions of scientists.
This is a domain where you will see very few biases, so most likely not concerning the conclusion. But the process that can lead toward this conclusion, definitely. Again, science is not all about the conclusion. The scientific process uncompass everything and every situations from the moment someone pays the bills or discover something to the moment someone publish the conclusions of scientists.
In hard science you will see very few bias in conclusions because of the universal characteristic of those disciplines (although you might see them in the process of making those conclusions. Those bias can someone prevent someone from ever reaching those conclusions or someone to produce or publish those conclusions.) In soft science on the other side, biases are a lot more problematic as they are more present because those are sciences studying human behaviors. So we need to be more careful.
Yes, but the scientific process (there is not really a scientific method) is not perfect. It does not make science a divine and non human discipline
No, just a logical fact.
I'm not the one who said that the earth orbiting the sun won't change..
Respect yourself.
Your prayer shall be answered:
https://www.businessinsider.com/imm...ans-commit-a-lot-more-crime-than-immigrants-2
https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...ation_of_immigration_in_the_united_states.pdf
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...ond-generation-immigrants-as-they-assimilate/
Something that can help shelter people, yes. Definitely.
There is no need for that. There are a lot of spaces that can be transformed into school overnight if needed.
More complicated, but you can for example redirect the part of the non necessary wealth of those who have a lot to permit for those who have very few to get something until they can have a job. And yes, you can do that over night if needed.
There are thousands of solution to allow people who have few to have access to stuff.
Now, I replied to those. But you will need to understand that those assertion are completely fallacious.
People are not demanding to help the poor and those in difficulty since yersteday. Let's not forget that fact mate.
We have enough ressources to provide. Those ressources are just not well and ethically distributed. :cheers:
That's an excuse to do nothing. People have been trying to change the capitalist system for more than a century. It doesn't take a century to change a system.
The current liberal and capitalistic status co is not due to time or to our situation, its a choice.
Its not. Not in America and not in Europe.
It could be the case in poor and countries in difficulties, but that's not the case for those super power states.
So because I'm trying to help the cause of immigrant, I'm suddenly "superior" to immigrant ?
Are you sure you are thinking straight here ?
Sure.
I'm fine with my values thank you. But looking that the violence in the way you adress to me, I think you are not completely fine with yours.
Explain to me then why there is a housing crisis.
Why are schools being shut down just to house immigrants happening
why aren’t you housing immigrants yourself, why don’t you let them live with you and share your wealth and food with them
And let me introduce you to a seemingly foreign concept; supply and demand
You’re not helping anyone, you’re living in a bubble. You take the moral high ground acting as if your country and Europe is perfect so we as superior people should take pity on these helpless poor immigrant.
You ignore the blatant issues that is already present and you want to bring even more people in when even by your own admission is not getting the essentials that they need.
You can’t bring in that many people non stop, it just doesn’t work that way, there will be shortages. There won’t be enough police to regulate crime. There won’t be enough jobs for everyone. The gap between rich and poor will only grow. There will be more unrest. Things will get unstable. Gang violence, drugs and other organised crime will rise.
You are actively ruining for everyone, yourself and the immigrants.
Oh, but forgive me, you probably live in a wealthy state that doesn’t actually get the immigrants so you’re talking about issues you have no real life connection to. You’re shielded from the issues, so you’re projecting your moral superiority on people because you’re living such an uneventful sheltered life.
I am not interested in arguing further with you because you don’t understand, and will never understand unless you suddenly one day become a victim yourself, how the world works in practice and not how things are ideally supposed to be according to paper.
I am sad to inform you that the real world is not perfect, there are innumerable variables to consider, some are more controllable than others.
People may get sick, there could be natural disasters like floods, hurricanes, earthquakes etc.
There could be production errors, mismanagement, accidents, and the list goes on.
You are not grounded in reality.
Oh and one last thing @Logiko
Your ideologies are actively excusing immigrants from crime. Public figures, politicians and even the Police for goodness sake is afraid of calling out immigrants for crimes and bad behaviour.
They are in effect being endorsed to continue on with crime and bad behaviour because they know they get away with it. And let me tell you a little something, that is NOT equality. This is an issue that will further divide the people, it is not sustainable. And I am sorry, but it does infuriate me how you’re preaching this nonsense without a single comprehension of the consequences.
Unlike you whose a pretender, I actually want to help people, but let me draw a parallel; what does the flight attendant tell you to do in the case of low oxygen when the masks drop down?
answer; “put on your own mask before you help others”
This should be logical and obvious. You cannot help anyone if you cannot help yourself.
Case closed.
Why are schools being shut down just to house immigrants happening
why aren’t you housing immigrants yourself, why don’t you let them live with you and share your wealth and food with them
And let me introduce you to a seemingly foreign concept; supply and demand
So because I'm trying to help the cause of immigrant, I'm suddenly "superior" to immigrant ?
Are you sure you are thinking straight here ?
Are you sure you are thinking straight here ?
You ignore the blatant issues that is already present and you want to bring even more people in when even by your own admission is not getting the essentials that they need.
You can’t bring in that many people non stop, it just doesn’t work that way, there will be shortages. There won’t be enough police to regulate crime. There won’t be enough jobs for everyone. The gap between rich and poor will only grow. There will be more unrest. Things will get unstable. Gang violence, drugs and other organised crime will rise.
You are actively ruining for everyone, yourself and the immigrants.
Oh, but forgive me, you probably live in a wealthy state that doesn’t actually get the immigrants so you’re talking about issues you have no real life connection to. You’re shielded from the issues, so you’re projecting your moral superiority on people because you’re living such an uneventful sheltered life.
I am not interested in arguing further with you because you don’t understand, and will never understand unless you suddenly one day become a victim yourself, how the world works in practice and not how things are ideally supposed to be according to paper.
I am sad to inform you that the real world is not perfect, there are innumerable variables to consider, some are more controllable than others.
People may get sick, there could be natural disasters like floods, hurricanes, earthquakes etc.
There could be production errors, mismanagement, accidents, and the list goes on.
You are not grounded in reality.
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Oh and one last thing @Logiko
Your ideologies are actively excusing immigrants from crime. Public figures, politicians and even the Police for goodness sake is afraid of calling out immigrants for crimes and bad behaviour.
They are in effect being endorsed to continue on with crime and bad behaviour because they know they get away with it. And let me tell you a little something, that is NOT equality. This is an issue that will further divide the people, it is not sustainable. And I am sorry, but it does infuriate me how you’re preaching this nonsense without a single comprehension of the consequences.
Unlike you whose a pretender, I actually want to help people, but let me draw a parallel; what does the flight attendant tell you to do in the case of low oxygen when the masks drop down?
answer; “put on your own mask before you help others”
This should be logical and obvious. You cannot help anyone if you cannot help yourself.
Case closed.
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Strange.. I was speaking about the poor here, not only about immigrant and somehow you choosed to focus on immigrants.
Your statements are fallacious mate. Yes there is indeed a crisis of housing, this doesn't mean that there is not enough space. Its just means that some owners are those in power are vultures. And no, I do not need to accept them in my home, there is a lot of vacant spaces outsides of schools that could be used or build to welcome immigrants
Ok, capitalist. Let me introduce you to two new concepts : Global mutual aid and empathy.
Its not mate. In fact, what I say to you applies the same way to my country and europe. We are just not putting razor in frontieres, we are not monsters.
Yes. That's why we must :
1. Keep accepting them because they will keep coming no matter what
2. Create better way to fill their essential needs.
If you want to stop migrant from coming. Take a rifle and go at the frontiere as this is the ONLY way you will be able to stop a family in distress. If you are not willing to do that. Help us or stay silent.
Yes there will be. More migrant doesn't mean more crime. We just gave you data proving that migrant are less likely to commit crime than long term resident.
Migrants will keep coming. So lets do something about that gap instead of focusing on migrant shall we ? Then we will be able to accept everyone AND fill their necessary needs.
No unless we do everything negate the existence of those person. Then we will have brought done this chaos upon ourself and the other way around.
We have the capacity to create better systems, so lets create better systems. And lets not find excuses to prevent ourselves from creating those systems.
No, my province do welcome migrants mate and they are taken care ofby the community. Well... mostly leftist people. We can't really ask bigots to be decent people here.
What issues ?
Did you happen to be assaulted by an army of migrant or something ? Did migrant got into your street and vandalized the neihbourhood ? Did you lost job opportunities because of migrants ? Why did you suffered from immigration mate ?
Damn, I don't know what those migrants did to you but this was intense...
I'm not the one who live in an ideal world here. You are.
Its you and your fellow MAGA pals who thinks that because some fascist put razors on frontiere, then people will stop coming..
You are completely underestimating the will of a person that wants them and their family to survive. They sometimes had to facethe absence of food and water, sometimes made thousands of miles by foot in dire conditions, sometimes face the dangerosity of gangs and criminals they are trying to flee... and you think they will stop in front of a few razor and a big wall ?
You are living in a dream world mate.
People will keep coming, no matter what you say. And with climate change ... it will be MULTIPLIED.
If you want to stop them, you only have one solution.
Your statements are fallacious mate. Yes there is indeed a crisis of housing, this doesn't mean that there is not enough space. Its just means that some owners are those in power are vultures. And no, I do not need to accept them in my home, there is a lot of vacant spaces outsides of schools that could be used or build to welcome immigrants
Ok, capitalist. Let me introduce you to two new concepts : Global mutual aid and empathy.
Its not mate. In fact, what I say to you applies the same way to my country and europe. We are just not putting razor in frontieres, we are not monsters.
Yes. That's why we must :
1. Keep accepting them because they will keep coming no matter what
2. Create better way to fill their essential needs.
If you want to stop migrant from coming. Take a rifle and go at the frontiere as this is the ONLY way you will be able to stop a family in distress. If you are not willing to do that. Help us or stay silent.
Yes there will be. More migrant doesn't mean more crime. We just gave you data proving that migrant are less likely to commit crime than long term resident.
Migrants will keep coming. So lets do something about that gap instead of focusing on migrant shall we ? Then we will be able to accept everyone AND fill their necessary needs.
No unless we do everything negate the existence of those person. Then we will have brought done this chaos upon ourself and the other way around.
We have the capacity to create better systems, so lets create better systems. And lets not find excuses to prevent ourselves from creating those systems.
No, my province do welcome migrants mate and they are taken care ofby the community. Well... mostly leftist people. We can't really ask bigots to be decent people here.
What issues ?
Did you happen to be assaulted by an army of migrant or something ? Did migrant got into your street and vandalized the neihbourhood ? Did you lost job opportunities because of migrants ? Why did you suffered from immigration mate ?
Damn, I don't know what those migrants did to you but this was intense...
I'm not the one who live in an ideal world here. You are.
Its you and your fellow MAGA pals who thinks that because some fascist put razors on frontiere, then people will stop coming..
You are completely underestimating the will of a person that wants them and their family to survive. They sometimes had to facethe absence of food and water, sometimes made thousands of miles by foot in dire conditions, sometimes face the dangerosity of gangs and criminals they are trying to flee... and you think they will stop in front of a few razor and a big wall ?
You are living in a dream world mate.
People will keep coming, no matter what you say. And with climate change ... it will be MULTIPLIED.
If you want to stop them, you only have one solution.
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What about the natural sciences? In natural sciences it is as im telling you bro. I know from first hand experience.
Progress in the scientific sense (natural sciences) doesnt necessarily have anything to do with social or political progress.
We arent all as fixated on social sciences like you
No bias will change examples like i listed, as in actual constants like the gravitational constant, or the size of the earth, that it orbits the sun, etc.
Ye you should stop talking about science altogether my dude
Our conclusions about that wont change depending on the researchers bias, was my point.
Not that we wouldnt reach different conclusions if reality was different.
Stop talking out of your ass so much
But the conclusions were the point we were making lmao
Sure, which is probably why plenty people dont value social sciences like they value natural sciences. . .
Teachers wont magically appear over night. In germany we already have an issue with having not enough teachers. Low birth rates might help with that in the near future
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Progress in the scientific sense (natural sciences) doesnt necessarily have anything to do with social or political progress.
We arent all as fixated on social sciences like you
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No bias will change examples like i listed, as in actual constants like the gravitational constant, or the size of the earth, that it orbits the sun, etc.
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Ye you should stop talking about science altogether my dude
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I'm not the one who said that the earth orbiting the sun won't change..
Respect yourself.
Respect yourself.
Not that we wouldnt reach different conclusions if reality was different.
Stop talking out of your ass so much
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But the conclusions were the point we were making lmao
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Sure, which is probably why plenty people dont value social sciences like they value natural sciences. . .
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Teachers wont magically appear over night. In germany we already have an issue with having not enough teachers. Low birth rates might help with that in the near future
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I want to test something.. What do you guys think about this ?
It works in natural sciences too, you can't disconnect the scientific process from the researcher. Simply because the history and biases of said researcher will eventually influence the process of research. Like I said, in hard science, the result will hardly be biased, what can be on the other hand is the process leading to those results.
Progress means progress. YOU are adding the word "social" and "political". The only thing I said is that science is an action toward more progress (more discoveries, less darkness in the minds etc.). This is therefore a moral action in the first place. And moral actions in a divided society can become political. (political meaning "clash of values"). Which means that the act of supporting social and doing science can also be a political act.
In fact, most scientific working on social sciences have no choice but to be politicized, simply because they are facing the same thing that happens in this thread: The denial of the legitimacy of their scientific discipline.
Why do you think I'm so fixated on social sciences and especially why am I so fixated on sociology ?
Because I love those disciplines more than the others ? No. I like cosmology more. (even tho I can't understand 90% of it)
Because this is a the most political discipline ? No. I think history is far more political as a social science.
Because its easy to understand ? No. Its sometimes quite hard to understand concepts in sociology.
The reason why I'm so fixated on sociology is because I noticed that the legitimization of this specific scientific discipline is THE CORE POINT OF CONTENTION between the two sides of the political spectrum. EVEN if people in those sides don't realize it.
The discourse around the legitimization of sociology (even when its not specified) is what I would call the center of the political spectrum.
A - The legitimization of sociology is what I could call a leftist vector
B - The delegitimization of sociology is what I could call a rightist vector
Depending if someone tends to do either A or B and the degree of it, we can say if said person has more chances to lean toward leftist ideologies or toward conservatist/far right ideologies and how fast they are moving toward them.
In short, I use people's point of views on sociology as a way to know how much work I have to do to protect those people from potential far right and toxic ideologies.
I don't have a lot of hope about that process but I know that the inception of ideas can have quite a power.
Again, you are looking at the conclusions when in reality conclusion are just ONE PART of the scientific process (already explained that). What I'm talking in not only biases in conclusions, but in the entire scientific process.
Sigh...
Again, I'm not talking only about conclusions but the entierity of science as a process. In hard science it will be indeed difficult to find biased results as conclusions will most likely be mathematical but that's not the case in social sciences where researches are contextual and therefore not universal.
Advice for you mate: More reading, less talking. You are missing the majority of my argumentation.
No, science was. The point was : Science can be biased.
Conclusion in some discipline can be influenced by biases but that's not the point I'm making. I'm talking about science in general.
No. The reason why people don't value social sciences is because social sciences can create result that contradict big political values about the world. This discipline is therefore something that is very hard to accept as scientifically legitimate for some people.
Biases are part of the scientific process so they are not a problem for scientist (if we take care of them of course)
Actually teachers can appear overnight. The only problem is that those teachers won't be as reliable as educated teachers. But if there is no other choices things can be arranged and temporary mesures can be taken while waiting for real teachers to arrive.
But of course, we also need to be a lot smarter about our educations policies in those nations and form teachers right now so we can be ready. In the meantime, this would be an extrem solution. In reality, we can tank the arrival of chidren from immigration quite easily. Education is not the prime problem. The distribution of ressources is.
It works in natural sciences too, you can't disconnect the scientific process from the researcher. Simply because the history and biases of said researcher will eventually influence the process of research. Like I said, in hard science, the result will hardly be biased, what can be on the other hand is the process leading to those results.
Progress means progress. YOU are adding the word "social" and "political". The only thing I said is that science is an action toward more progress (more discoveries, less darkness in the minds etc.). This is therefore a moral action in the first place. And moral actions in a divided society can become political. (political meaning "clash of values"). Which means that the act of supporting social and doing science can also be a political act.
In fact, most scientific working on social sciences have no choice but to be politicized, simply because they are facing the same thing that happens in this thread: The denial of the legitimacy of their scientific discipline.
Why do you think I'm so fixated on social sciences and especially why am I so fixated on sociology ?
Because I love those disciplines more than the others ? No. I like cosmology more. (even tho I can't understand 90% of it)
Because this is a the most political discipline ? No. I think history is far more political as a social science.
Because its easy to understand ? No. Its sometimes quite hard to understand concepts in sociology.
The reason why I'm so fixated on sociology is because I noticed that the legitimization of this specific scientific discipline is THE CORE POINT OF CONTENTION between the two sides of the political spectrum. EVEN if people in those sides don't realize it.
The discourse around the legitimization of sociology (even when its not specified) is what I would call the center of the political spectrum.
A - The legitimization of sociology is what I could call a leftist vector
B - The delegitimization of sociology is what I could call a rightist vector
Depending if someone tends to do either A or B and the degree of it, we can say if said person has more chances to lean toward leftist ideologies or toward conservatist/far right ideologies and how fast they are moving toward them.
In short, I use people's point of views on sociology as a way to know how much work I have to do to protect those people from potential far right and toxic ideologies.
I don't have a lot of hope about that process but I know that the inception of ideas can have quite a power.
Again, you are looking at the conclusions when in reality conclusion are just ONE PART of the scientific process (already explained that). What I'm talking in not only biases in conclusions, but in the entire scientific process.
Sigh...
Again, I'm not talking only about conclusions but the entierity of science as a process. In hard science it will be indeed difficult to find biased results as conclusions will most likely be mathematical but that's not the case in social sciences where researches are contextual and therefore not universal.
Advice for you mate: More reading, less talking. You are missing the majority of my argumentation.
No, science was. The point was : Science can be biased.
Conclusion in some discipline can be influenced by biases but that's not the point I'm making. I'm talking about science in general.
No. The reason why people don't value social sciences is because social sciences can create result that contradict big political values about the world. This discipline is therefore something that is very hard to accept as scientifically legitimate for some people.
Biases are part of the scientific process so they are not a problem for scientist (if we take care of them of course)
Actually teachers can appear overnight. The only problem is that those teachers won't be as reliable as educated teachers. But if there is no other choices things can be arranged and temporary mesures can be taken while waiting for real teachers to arrive.
But of course, we also need to be a lot smarter about our educations policies in those nations and form teachers right now so we can be ready. In the meantime, this would be an extrem solution. In reality, we can tank the arrival of chidren from immigration quite easily. Education is not the prime problem. The distribution of ressources is.
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