General & Others In Chinese Mythology, Luffy represents the Tiger.
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She might not go down this arc tbh
Tho luffy honestly has a higher chance beating both linlin and kaido this arc than zoro does kaido
It was honestly pretty popular during the start of wci especially when sanji hit luffy and when big mom was confirmed going to wano
Admity not many but people were sayin it
Tho luffy honestly has a higher chance beating both linlin and kaido this arc than zoro does kaido
It was honestly pretty popular during the start of wci especially when sanji hit luffy and when big mom was confirmed going to wano
Admity not many but people were sayin it
big mom is solely in wano to beat luffy. She’s going down in wano. Oda is literally going to kill 2 birds with one stone in wano. How can you not see this. Luffy doesn’t have a better chance of defeating 2 yonkos than zoro has of defeating kaido. Drop your zoro bias. That would kill op and would be the worst writing in history. Respect the future wss and oda
Of course there is:
The mytho of Dragon vs Tiger in Japanese/Chinese is based around the Dragon representing the emperor who has taken complete control over the lands completely, the Tiger challenges the Dragon (emperor), which then leads to a balance. Tiger is the force that challenges the Dragon. So with that in mind let's look at Wano & Roronoa.
Wano as we know represents "japan" of the one piece world. Japan is often represented by the Tiger, but specifically the samurai. In Wano the strongest Samurai are from the Shimotsuki family. The Shimotsuki family is connected to Ryuuma, as they were taking care of his grave. Ryuuma is known to have slain a Dragon in the capital of Wano, a feat that was so legendary that it's still talked about today after hundreds of years. Ryuuma also defended the country of Wano from other entities as it's strongest warrior pirates and world nobles alike. Ryuuma looked a lot like our guy Zoro here, they even met, Ryuuma even passed down his legendary blade on to Zoro which can be interpreted as "passing of will" if one wants to. Zoro also has relation to the Shimotsuki village as he grew up in the village and Dojo that was founded and ran by the Shimotsuki. He also has a sword that was created by the Shimotsuki family. Then there's that dude from Ringo who looks a lot like Zoro. So it's clear that Zoro has some relations to the Shimotsuki, and to a good amount of fans he's all but confirmed to be from the Shimotsuki family... which would make him a samurai of Wano.
After Ryuuma's passing we then come to Oden who became a figure similar to Ryuuma in that he became the strongest Samurai of Wano and was going to protect it from outside invaders. He also had a clash with a Dragon, but his clash resulted in his defeat (even if not fairly). Now Zoro has inherited one of his swords, which was created by a Shimotsuki. And then Zoro made a strong connection with the most loved dude by the people of Wano, who was rumored to be the next in line for Shogun had Oden declined or not decide to become Shogun, Yasu. During Yasu's execution when Yasu mentions that "For 20 long years, no one has been able to take Kaido's head", the panel which it is said over is a panel that focuses in on Zoro specifically.
So now let's look at the symbolism of Dragon/Tiger:
-> Ryuuma's biggest legend is him slaying a Dragon in the capital of Wano, even bigger than defending Wano against pirates and etc single-handly. He represented Wano as it's strongest samurai, Wano which represents Japan, Japan which is often represented by the Tiger, in specific the Samurai.
-> Centuries later, another big samurai raises in Wano, who becomes the symbol of Wano much like Ryuuma. He also faces the Dragon to free his country from the Dragon's grasp. Oden here would be the "Tiger" that represents Wano against the Dragon, much like Ryuuma.
-> Decades later, we now stand where a man who has connections with the strongest samurai family of Wano. Who inherited Ryuuma's sword & Oden's sword, both of whom had fought a Dragon. His past unclear, but he witnessed the death of the man who was beloved by all of Wano, and could potentially want vengeance against Kaido. Now he will represent Wano, as it's strongest samurai and challenge the Dragon.
-> Oda has hinted at Zoro having a moment where he will lead the samurai back at Zou. Then as Wano goes on he continuously impresses samurai after samurai, even impressing the scabbards and a blacksmith of some top notch swords.
The Tiger challenging the Dragon that rules all, is pretty much the actual mytho symbolism here, and it's best represented through Zoro vs Kaido. Now if Zoro ends up not being related to Wano and what not, then yes all of this is moot. But heavy evidence suggests that he is, and it is the route that Oda will be taking with Zoro. This is not just a mythos based argument however, but an in-manga symbolism + mythos symbolism.
The mytho of Dragon vs Tiger in Japanese/Chinese is based around the Dragon representing the emperor who has taken complete control over the lands completely, the Tiger challenges the Dragon (emperor), which then leads to a balance. Tiger is the force that challenges the Dragon. So with that in mind let's look at Wano & Roronoa.
Wano as we know represents "japan" of the one piece world. Japan is often represented by the Tiger, but specifically the samurai. In Wano the strongest Samurai are from the Shimotsuki family. The Shimotsuki family is connected to Ryuuma, as they were taking care of his grave. Ryuuma is known to have slain a Dragon in the capital of Wano, a feat that was so legendary that it's still talked about today after hundreds of years. Ryuuma also defended the country of Wano from other entities as it's strongest warrior pirates and world nobles alike. Ryuuma looked a lot like our guy Zoro here, they even met, Ryuuma even passed down his legendary blade on to Zoro which can be interpreted as "passing of will" if one wants to. Zoro also has relation to the Shimotsuki village as he grew up in the village and Dojo that was founded and ran by the Shimotsuki. He also has a sword that was created by the Shimotsuki family. Then there's that dude from Ringo who looks a lot like Zoro. So it's clear that Zoro has some relations to the Shimotsuki, and to a good amount of fans he's all but confirmed to be from the Shimotsuki family... which would make him a samurai of Wano.
After Ryuuma's passing we then come to Oden who became a figure similar to Ryuuma in that he became the strongest Samurai of Wano and was going to protect it from outside invaders. He also had a clash with a Dragon, but his clash resulted in his defeat (even if not fairly). Now Zoro has inherited one of his swords, which was created by a Shimotsuki. And then Zoro made a strong connection with the most loved dude by the people of Wano, who was rumored to be the next in line for Shogun had Oden declined or not decide to become Shogun, Yasu. During Yasu's execution when Yasu mentions that "For 20 long years, no one has been able to take Kaido's head", the panel which it is said over is a panel that focuses in on Zoro specifically.
So now let's look at the symbolism of Dragon/Tiger:
-> Ryuuma's biggest legend is him slaying a Dragon in the capital of Wano, even bigger than defending Wano against pirates and etc single-handly. He represented Wano as it's strongest samurai, Wano which represents Japan, Japan which is often represented by the Tiger, in specific the Samurai.
-> Centuries later, another big samurai raises in Wano, who becomes the symbol of Wano much like Ryuuma. He also faces the Dragon to free his country from the Dragon's grasp. Oden here would be the "Tiger" that represents Wano against the Dragon, much like Ryuuma.
-> Decades later, we now stand where a man who has connections with the strongest samurai family of Wano. Who inherited Ryuuma's sword & Oden's sword, both of whom had fought a Dragon. His past unclear, but he witnessed the death of the man who was beloved by all of Wano, and could potentially want vengeance against Kaido. Now he will represent Wano, as it's strongest samurai and challenge the Dragon.
-> Oda has hinted at Zoro having a moment where he will lead the samurai back at Zou. Then as Wano goes on he continuously impresses samurai after samurai, even impressing the scabbards and a blacksmith of some top notch swords.
The Tiger challenging the Dragon that rules all, is pretty much the actual mytho symbolism here, and it's best represented through Zoro vs Kaido. Now if Zoro ends up not being related to Wano and what not, then yes all of this is moot. But heavy evidence suggests that he is, and it is the route that Oda will be taking with Zoro. This is not just a mythos based argument however, but an in-manga symbolism + mythos symbolism.
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Zoro is symbolically tiger , actually he represent fierce and ruthless part of straw hat. Not sure if zoro has ever been calm .
Luffy 's inspiration is based on monkey god , he is actually more playful in his fight , oda def thought about goku when he drew luffy.
However i think theorists take to much parallel with history , oda necessarily has no reason to follow the pattern. Yhats why i believe theory makers should not research to much on history , oda draws parllel to an inspiration character but its not necessary he will take the story based on mythology.
Look we have kidd , booney , edward teach who necessarily dont have any symbolic connection to another.
Luffy 's inspiration is based on monkey god , he is actually more playful in his fight , oda def thought about goku when he drew luffy.
However i think theorists take to much parallel with history , oda necessarily has no reason to follow the pattern. Yhats why i believe theory makers should not research to much on history , oda draws parllel to an inspiration character but its not necessary he will take the story based on mythology.
Look we have kidd , booney , edward teach who necessarily dont have any symbolic connection to another.
There seems to be an humongous fear towards Zoro even crossing paths with Kaido in several platforms or social networks.
Some throw off reasoning to push him aside him meeting an emperor .
This thread seems like another example.
After Oda allowing menbers of the weak trio and mid trio , Jimbei and Sanji too to meet and try to do something against Emperors (with Jimbei being the most successful of the group ) .
With this on mind I fail to see how "readers" are against the 2nd strongest of the crew to face or take part in the main fight against an Emperor.
Zoro has the tools ,the motives ,the story placement ,etc but still seems to be not enough for the "readers".
Participating in the fight in my opinion is a safe bet ,what he will do can be up to debate but definitely will not be small.
Some throw off reasoning to push him aside him meeting an emperor .
This thread seems like another example.
After Oda allowing menbers of the weak trio and mid trio , Jimbei and Sanji too to meet and try to do something against Emperors (with Jimbei being the most successful of the group ) .
With this on mind I fail to see how "readers" are against the 2nd strongest of the crew to face or take part in the main fight against an Emperor.
Zoro has the tools ,the motives ,the story placement ,etc but still seems to be not enough for the "readers".
Participating in the fight in my opinion is a safe bet ,what he will do can be up to debate but definitely will not be small.
Yes, I am going off the representation of how Tiger and dragon are used in most works of fiction that is drawn from the Mythology, because One Piece is a fictional story, and the characters involved fall into the category of the trope. That is how most Authors, writers, story tellers, video game creators, etc.. tend to portray the Tiger vs the Dragon concept from Chinese Mythology. Personality wise, Luffy falls under the Tiger aspect of this trope, while Zoro falls under the Dragon aspect. In this regard, we can actually say this is one of the rare occasions where there are two characters within this same trope, represented by each beast, that are on the same side. From a conflict standpoint within the series however, Kaido would be the Dragon.
This is just one iteration of the Mythos, out of countless. In most iterations, the Dragon Emperor is actually beloved by his people, and brings harmony and prosperity to those he rules over. Most Dragon's that are portrayed as "Evil", are actually those from the Western Hemisphere. In Eastern Asia depictions, Dragons are revered by the people.
And not for nothing, but the Yamato no Orochi is considered a Dragon of Eastern Origins, and Oda has done more to build up a conflict between Zoro and Orochi, than he has between Zoro and Kaido. Orochi is the one who snatched the land from the Kozuki Clan, and rules over it with the backing of Kaido. It is Orochi's actions that lead to the downfall of the Kozuki Clan, and the death of Oden. Orochi is the one who executed Yasui, and now has ordered the execution of Momonosuke, the last surviving Heir of the Kozuki Clan.
This is also a perfect setup for Zoro to be able to behead a dragon, without actually killing anyone, as we all know Oda is not a fan of having his protagonist kill anyone. The Yamato no Orochi is known for being able to regenerate it's heads. Something Oda can use to his advantage to still draw the parallels between Zoro and Ryuma, without having Zoro kill.
We are almost 80 chapters deep into Wano, with zero build up of a Zoro and Kaido confrontation, with tons of build up of a Zoro and Orochi confrontation. When is Oda going to start this Kaido/Zoro build up?
This is just one iteration of the Mythos, out of countless. In most iterations, the Dragon Emperor is actually beloved by his people, and brings harmony and prosperity to those he rules over. Most Dragon's that are portrayed as "Evil", are actually those from the Western Hemisphere. In Eastern Asia depictions, Dragons are revered by the people.
And not for nothing, but the Yamato no Orochi is considered a Dragon of Eastern Origins, and Oda has done more to build up a conflict between Zoro and Orochi, than he has between Zoro and Kaido. Orochi is the one who snatched the land from the Kozuki Clan, and rules over it with the backing of Kaido. It is Orochi's actions that lead to the downfall of the Kozuki Clan, and the death of Oden. Orochi is the one who executed Yasui, and now has ordered the execution of Momonosuke, the last surviving Heir of the Kozuki Clan.
This is also a perfect setup for Zoro to be able to behead a dragon, without actually killing anyone, as we all know Oda is not a fan of having his protagonist kill anyone. The Yamato no Orochi is known for being able to regenerate it's heads. Something Oda can use to his advantage to still draw the parallels between Zoro and Ryuma, without having Zoro kill.
We are almost 80 chapters deep into Wano, with zero build up of a Zoro and Kaido confrontation, with tons of build up of a Zoro and Orochi confrontation. When is Oda going to start this Kaido/Zoro build up?
